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THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
How did I forget this existed, add another vote to the talley.
make it 3
How did I forget this existed, add another vote to the talley.
I'll check out Hunter x Hunter, Bezerk will finish when i'm an old man
Please do. Here are my requirements:
- if it is a series, that it is short with no filler
- should not be built around fighting or combat
- should not contain robots
- should look good, with smooth animation rather than choppy stuff
- should treat women like human beings with dignity, equity, and rich inner lives and should ideally have female characters that are not merely love interests for male characters
- should engage with human, social, and political themes and preferably in a real rather than fantasy world
- should be targeted to adults
- character's eyes should be appropriately sized for their head
- if it has a theme song, the theme song should not overly earnest desperate generic Japanese pop
- should not be described as anyone ever as "badass"
- should not contain a young female character who is rude and abusive to everyone played for laughs
- should not contain a young female character that makes shrill, high pitched noises as a stand-in for actually expressing themselves with words
- should not contain soft focus shots where characters gaze longingly into each other's eyes
- should not contain that dumb blushing reaction where there's a sweat drop and the person screws up their eyes
- should not contain uguu or waifu or whatever other babble people use to express how they want to surround themselves with shrill excitable cute girls
- should not have extended details about how a male character is a pervert
- should be available legally for a reasonable price in North America, preferably dubbed. If it's subbed, the subtitles should be professional and localized, not merely translated
I've asked this before and got a few solid recommendations that I have enjoyed, but in almost every case people remind me that I'm really rubbing up major tropes and approaches used in Anime.
Edit: for example, without knowing anything about the shows, the summaries in the Anime of the Year 2014 results thread exclude most of those shows that made the cut. Not all, mind you.
Please do. Here are my requirements:
- if it is a series, that it is short with no filler
- should not be built around fighting or combat
- should not contain robots
- should look good, with smooth animation rather than choppy stuff
- should treat women like human beings with dignity, equity, and rich inner lives and should ideally have female characters that are not merely love interests for male characters
- should engage with human, social, and political themes and preferably in a real rather than fantasy world
- should be targeted to adults
- character's eyes should be appropriately sized for their head
- if it has a theme song, the theme song should not overly earnest desperate generic Japanese pop
- should not be described as anyone ever as "badass"
- should not contain a young female character who is rude and abusive to everyone played for laughs
- should not contain a young female character that makes shrill, high pitched noises as a stand-in for actually expressing themselves with words
- should not contain soft focus shots where characters gaze longingly into each other's eyes
- should not contain that dumb blushing reaction where there's a sweat drop and the person screws up their eyes
- should not contain uguu or waifu or whatever other babble people use to express how they want to surround themselves with shrill excitable cute girls
- should not have extended details about how a male character is a pervert
- should be available legally for a reasonable price in North America, preferably dubbed. If it's subbed, the subtitles should be professional and localized, not merely translated
I've asked this before and got a few solid recommendations that I have enjoyed, but in almost every case people remind me that I'm really rubbing up major tropes and approaches used in Anime.
Edit: for example, without knowing anything about the shows, the summaries in the Anime of the Year 2014 results thread exclude most of those shows that made the cut. Not all, mind you.
What is this...it's almost like a list that was constructed intentionally to rule out anything anyone could possibly think of
Stump, have you ever seen Gokusen? It takes place in a school but the main character is the teacher, and also a woman who's the leader of a gang haha
It's pretty good.
Shows do not need to have political themes, but I provide it in the list as a way of causing people to gravitate towards content that asks questions, that tells us something about humanity, etc. I am not interested in dating shows or high school shows as a rule, and I am not interested in fighting shows as a rule. I am not interested in long, drawn-out plots; I am interested in theme. This is something that is true of my taste in other mediums to a degree, including in gaming.
And yes, I really am not interested in giant robots. I've got the Iron Giant. I have my fill and don't need more.
And now you know why people ignore anime.Just read you post by the way. It's like you want to exclude almost every show in existence.
What is this...it's almost like a list that was constructed intentionally to rule out anything anyone could possibly think of
Please do. Here are my requirements:
- if it is a series, that it is short with no filler
- should not be built around fighting or combat
- should not contain robots
- should look good, with smooth animation rather than choppy stuff
- should treat women like human beings with dignity, equity, and rich inner lives and should ideally have female characters that are not merely love interests for male characters
- should engage with human, social, and political themes and preferably in a real rather than fantasy world
- should be targeted to adults
- character's eyes should be appropriately sized for their head
- if it has a theme song, the theme song should not overly earnest desperate generic Japanese pop
- should not be described as anyone ever as "badass"
- should not contain a young female character who is rude and abusive to everyone played for laughs
- should not contain a young female character that makes shrill, high pitched noises as a stand-in for actually expressing themselves with words
- should not contain soft focus shots where characters gaze longingly into each other's eyes
- should not contain that dumb blushing reaction where there's a sweat drop and the person screws up their eyes
- should not contain uguu or waifu or whatever other babble people use to express how they want to surround themselves with shrill excitable cute girls
- should not have extended details about how a male character is a pervert
- should be available legally for a reasonable price in North America, preferably dubbed. If it's subbed, the subtitles should be professional and localized, not merely translated
I've asked this before and got a few solid recommendations that I have enjoyed, but in almost every case people remind me that I'm really rubbing up major tropes and approaches used in Anime.
Edit: for example, without knowing anything about the shows, the summaries in the Anime of the Year 2014 results thread exclude most of those shows that made the cut. Not all, mind you.
Sounds to me like you're describing Fullmetal Alchemist, which is one of the most highly regarded anime and manga. It has a very compelling story that touches up a lot of themes such inequality, war, faith versus science and many more. The dub is also excellent.
Sounds to me like you're describing Fullmetal Alchemist, which is one of the most highly regarded anime and manga. It has a very compelling story that touches up a lot of themes such inequality, war, faith versus science and many more. The dub is also excellent.
Sounds to me like you're describing Fullmetal Alchemist, which is one of the most highly regarded anime and manga. It has a great cast of interesting and diverse characters and a very compelling story that touches on themes such as inequality, war, faith versus science and many more. The dub is also excellent and generally considered to be of the highest standard.
I'd suggest watching the manga-faithful Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood.
Sounds to me like you're describing Fullmetal Alchemist, which is one of the most highly regarded anime and manga. It has a great cast of interesting and diverse characters and a very compelling story that touches on themes such as inequality, war, faith versus science and many more. The dub is also excellent and generally considered to be of the highest standard.
I'd suggest watching the manga-faithful Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood.
Winry + Sweat drops = Nope.
Please do. Here are my requirements:
- if it is a series, that it is short with no filler
- should not be built around fighting or combat
- should not contain robots
- should look good, with smooth animation rather than choppy stuff
- should treat women like human beings with dignity, equity, and rich inner lives and should ideally have female characters that are not merely love interests for male characters
- should engage with human, social, and political themes and preferably in a real rather than fantasy world
- should be targeted to adults
- character's eyes should be appropriately sized for their head
- if it has a theme song, the theme song should not overly earnest desperate generic Japanese pop
- should not be described as anyone ever as "badass"
- should not contain a young female character who is rude and abusive to everyone played for laughs
- should not contain a young female character that makes shrill, high pitched noises as a stand-in for actually expressing themselves with words
- should not contain soft focus shots where characters gaze longingly into each other's eyes
- should not contain that dumb blushing reaction where there's a sweat drop and the person screws up their eyes
- should not contain uguu or waifu or whatever other babble people use to express how they want to surround themselves with shrill excitable cute girls
- should not have extended details about how a male character is a pervert
- should be available legally for a reasonable price in North America, preferably dubbed. If it's subbed, the subtitles should be professional and localized, not merely translated
I've asked this before and got a few solid recommendations that I have enjoyed, but in almost every case people remind me that I'm really rubbing up major tropes and approaches used in Anime.
Edit: for example, without knowing anything about the shows, the summaries in the Anime of the Year 2014 results thread exclude most of those shows that made the cut. Not all, mind you.
I like this list, honestly. Generally what I look for too, even if every requirement isn't fulfilled.
Please do. Here are my requirements:
- if it is a series, that it is short with no filler
- should not be built around fighting or combat
- should not contain robots
- should look good, with smooth animation rather than choppy stuff
- should treat women like human beings with dignity, equity, and rich inner lives and should ideally have female characters that are not merely love interests for male characters
- should engage with human, social, and political themes and preferably in a real rather than fantasy world
- should be targeted to adults
- character's eyes should be appropriately sized for their head
- if it has a theme song, the theme song should not overly earnest desperate generic Japanese pop
- should not be described as anyone ever as "badass"
- should not contain a young female character who is rude and abusive to everyone played for laughs
- should not contain a young female character that makes shrill, high pitched noises as a stand-in for actually expressing themselves with words
- should not contain soft focus shots where characters gaze longingly into each other's eyes
- should not contain that dumb blushing reaction where there's a sweat drop and the person screws up their eyes
- should not contain uguu or waifu or whatever other babble people use to express how they want to surround themselves with shrill excitable cute girls
- should not have extended details about how a male character is a pervert
- should be available legally for a reasonable price in North America, preferably dubbed. If it's subbed, the subtitles should be professional and localized, not merely translated
I've asked this before and got a few solid recommendations that I have enjoyed, but in almost every case people remind me that I'm really rubbing up major tropes and approaches used in Anime.
Edit: for example, without knowing anything about the shows, the summaries in the Anime of the Year 2014 results thread exclude most of those shows that made the cut. Not all, mind you.
stump need to open your mind. There are many good anime outside your requirements.
I like this list, honestly. Generally what I look for too, even if every requirement isn't fulfilled.
I have never seen it.And Heroman isnt one of those
Stump opened his mind once and people recommended Eden of the East (TV + Movies).
I think he's still traumatized by Akira's Johnny.
RE: Recommendations; thanks to anyone who offered any. I wasn't just trolling, I will do followup to look into the shows mentioned. I do find it interesting that even in this set of replies, a number of people have pointed out how some of the recommendations already given clash pretty badly with what I was looking for, which is a problem that recommendations have more generally.
RE: Specifics
I'm not entirely wedded on a real world setting, but rather that it needs to be grounded. I'm not super interested in very fantasy-oriented stuff. Cowboy Bebop is fine (although I'd note that Cowboy Bebop is like item #1 on the list of "Anime that are good for people who even don't like anime"
Well, I mean, it's not a dealbreaker that every shot doesn't look pristine and movie-like; conventional television has the same budgetary challenges. Rather, I hoped to express that the animation quality of much of what I've seen is a barrier to me. The same is true with "western" cartoons as well; I don't generally like animated stuff unless the animation is very vibrant.
I was trying to state in a very general way my distaste for what seems like a major component of character design in anime. Ultimately I'm not saying I wouldn't watch a show that has a shot with large eyes, but rather that people offering recommendations shouldn't uncritically accept common elements of the medium of anime when trying to offer recommendations to me as a stand-in for people who generally don't watch much anime because it generally isn't something they're in to. I probably could have tried to elaborate a little more or maybe said "no chibi, no hyper-exaggerated character design", etc.
Sure, but since the Straw People aren't in the thread and I am I thought I'd take maybe 2-3 minutes to ballpark the things that bug me in response to the suggestion by the OP that there's tons of content out there to meet the requirements of skeptics. Many of the things I said I think reflect what the OP was trying to respond to; I'm sure lots of people wouldn't identify them as dealbreakers, but rather that they would contribute to an overall negative impression that people have. You see it in some of the other replies in this thread that share my general disillusionment, even if they don't identify it in the same terms.
Yeah, I'm very cognizant of that--I do think we've specifically discussed it before. I don't begrudge that the content is made in those conditions or to reflect that audience. I'm very live and let live, you won't find me going on the offensive about how crap everyone's taste is or whatever.
I just felt that the OP's suggestion that there's plenty of anime out there that doesn't reflect the things that bug people about anime was maybe a little broad. Not that the content doesn't exist, because I know it does and I've enjoyed much of what I've watched. But rather that it occupies a very small niche in an industry otherwise calibrated to produce a very specific type of content, and thus it should not be surprising that people out there exist who "don't enjoy anime" in very general terms.
Shows do not need to have political themes, but I provide it in the list as a way of causing people to gravitate towards content that asks questions, that tells us something about humanity, etc. I am not interested in dating shows or high school shows as a rule, and I am not interested in fighting shows as a rule. I am not interested in long, drawn-out plots; I am interested in theme. This is something that is true of my taste in other mediums to a degree, including in gaming.
And yes, I really am not interested in giant robots. I've got the Iron Giant. I have my fill and don't need more.
I don't think it really limits me, because I spend a lot of time reading, watching television and film, and playing games and I enjoy much of what I consume. It does limit my ability to engage with anime, which was the very point of my reply.
OK.
what, no he isn't.
- should not be built around fighting or combat
- character's eyes should be appropriately sized for their head
- should not be described as anyone ever as "badass"
- should not contain that dumb blushing reaction where there's a sweat drop and the person screws up their eyes
- should not have extended details about how a male character is a pervert
- should not contain a young female character who is rude and abusive to everyone played for laughs
We can also get into the deformed cutesy animation that happens whenever a comedic moment hits.
Combat is there but there is also it engages with human, social, and political themes. Sue it does it in an fantasy theme
The blushing isn't that bad. (probably because I'm used to seeing alot worse)
There's a character being called a pervert? I don't ever recall that.ok now I remember
Nothing for the badass (because there is, well is an MMo with maxed out characters) and targeted at adults.
EDIT: forgot tropes.....
Why would they do that?
Please do. Here are my requirements:
- if it is a series, that it is short with no filler
- should not be built around fighting or combat
- should not contain robots
- should look good, with smooth animation rather than choppy stuff
- should treat women like human beings with dignity, equity, and rich inner lives and should ideally have female characters that are not merely love interests for male characters
- should engage with human, social, and political themes and preferably in a real rather than fantasy world
- should be targeted to adults
- character's eyes should be appropriately sized for their head
- if it has a theme song, the theme song should not overly earnest desperate generic Japanese pop
- should not be described as anyone ever as "badass"
- should not contain a young female character who is rude and abusive to everyone played for laughs
- should not contain a young female character that makes shrill, high pitched noises as a stand-in for actually expressing themselves with words
- should not contain soft focus shots where characters gaze longingly into each other's eyes
- should not contain that dumb blushing reaction where there's a sweat drop and the person screws up their eyes
- should not contain uguu or waifu or whatever other babble people use to express how they want to surround themselves with shrill excitable cute girls
- should not have extended details about how a male character is a pervert
- should be available legally for a reasonable price in North America, preferably dubbed. If it's subbed, the subtitles should be professional and localized, not merely translated
I've asked this before and got a few solid recommendations that I have enjoyed, but in almost every case people remind me that I'm really rubbing up major tropes and approaches used in Anime.
Edit: for example, without knowing anything about the shows, the summaries in the Anime of the Year 2014 results thread exclude most of those shows that made the cut. Not all, mind you.
What do you mean by that? I never even thought of log horizon in that way.
indeed but not alot of manga gets translated but scanlated
Not a real world modern setting.
What is this...it's almost like a list that was constructed intentionally to rule out anything anyone could possibly think of
I actually dug it up and it was Aeana and Mumei's fault, apparently. I thought it was AnimeGAF's doing but nope!
EDIT: There's very little true anime that's targeted to adults, if any. Cat Soup is the only one that immediately comes to mind because that shit can't possibly be for kids. I took it to mean that the story and narrative aren't blatantly appealing to a younger crowd. So, while Revolutionary Girl Utena isn't exactly for 30-somethings, it's not exactly pandering to teens and young adults either. It just kind of exists, free of labels.
Based Ikuhara.
Log Horizon deal in harem tropes towards the end of Season 1. It's not as bad at Sword Art Online, but it's still there.
Log Horizon is not targeted at adults. I thought it was a pretty fun show at first (I am a sucker for the portal fantasy genre, even though most of it is terrible), but I think it is progressively getting worse thanks to the inclusion of all of the romance subplots. They are done terribly and extremely superficially and it seems that the only point of many of the female characters are either to obsess over the male characters or be fan service. It also feels like it is turning into a harem show.
As for badass, the main character is obviously supposed to be a badass. Not your typical I am going to break shit in an awesome manner badass, but I am going to be a devious strategist badass.
I am not sure what human and social themes it deals with either. If it does, it is done very superficially. As for political, well, it deals with politics in a medieval fantasy setting. Does not really apply, and still , very superficially.
- there's plenty of action, but that's not the focus
- aren't they?
- what?
- I'll give you that
- who's perverted?
- who would this be referr -May Chang, fuck. OK.
And yet, people have offered up recommendations.
Roy Mustang with the military skirts for women.
Forget it though, I got that mixed up with Brotherhood, I keep forgetting those little differences between the two.
those slice of life shows hardly get licensed and releasedYeah, but some of the things he mentions are vague and thus potentially rule out a lot. Like for instance what does "should not be built around fighting or combat" mean? Does that mean it shouldn't have any? GITS (I know I always use it) has eps where there's no action and just talking, yet I'm not sure if it would qualify, just because it has fighting.
Then the no robots, pretty much eliminates anything that isn't contemporary, pretty much all scifi and some fantasy. Sounds like he JUST wants slice of life shows
Liking skirts doesn't make someone a pervert...doing perverted things does
So I'm in for a treat watching Utena? Gosh it's really great so far, I'm hoping it's consistent
those slice of life shows hardly get licensed and released
those slice of life shows hardly get licensed and released
Yes, it is very highly regarded by some (I say "some" because Utena is pretty niche), particularly for its themes of female empowerment.
I actually dug it up and it was Aeana and Mumei's fault, apparently. I thought it was AnimeGAF's doing but nope!
EDIT: There's very little true anime that's targeted to adults, if any. Cat Soup is the only one that immediately comes to mind because that shit can't possibly be for kids. I took it to mean that the story and narrative aren't blatantly appealing to a younger crowd. So, while Revolutionary Girl Utena isn't exactly for 30-somethings, it's not exactly pandering to teens and young adults either. It just kind of exists, free of labels.
Based Ikuhara.
A lot of them do, assuming we're talking anime, not manga. I feel like he'd like Genshiken, but it blatantly violates some of the second group of things, even though it does so intentionally because it's playing on otaku stereotypes and the characters get called out on it. Oh well
Slice of life is pretty much the biggest genre right now.
Really, saying that you want all female officers to wear miniskirts while you pose and the other guy does a stupid anime nosebleed wasn't a classic "haha these guys are perverts" moment? All topped off with the female sighing in disappointment and walking away? Alright buddy.Yeah, but some of the things he mentions are vague and thus potentially rule out a lot. Like for instance what does "should not be built around fighting or combat" mean? Does that mean it shouldn't have any? GITS (I know I always use it) has eps where there's no action and just talking, yet I'm not sure if it would qualify, just because it has fighting.
Then the no robots, pretty much eliminates anything that isn't contemporary, pretty much all scifi and some fantasy. Sounds like he JUST wants slice of life shows
Liking skirts doesn't make someone a pervert...doing perverted things does