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[The Elite]

Are you like mentally broken that you can't tell the difference between a racist recording from a man who has had multiple racial issues arise, and owned a team in a predominately black league and stealing nude pictures?

Well, yes, I can tell the difference between female nudes and racist ramblings.

The question isn't about that. Where do you draw the line on what private recordings are ok to be leaked to the public without consent?

I think we have your answer.

The difference is public interest. And no, I don't mean "public interest" that is ogling at these images. With your definition, many political scandals would've never happened. And that wouldn't be for the better.

Fair enough. So if a .zip file dropped of private conversations from various politicians, that would be ok?

I'm not in support of Sterling BTW. I am just genuinely curious to see when people think it's ok to breach someone's privacy.

 

[Mlatador]

You know we can see the previous posts you made in this thread right. And how the first time you posted it was to talk about how you looked at someones naked pictures. Meaning it's pretty obvious that wasn't your first point and you only grabbed onto that in some desperate attempt to deflect attention.



Are you like mentally broken that you can't tell the difference between a racist recording from a man who has had multiple racial issues arise, and owned a team in a predominately black league and stealing nude pictures?

Spin whatever story you want up in your head about me.

 

[Irminsul]

Fight the good fight, sir..don't let em get to ya!

Well, y'know, exactly the thing you quoted is (more or less) also mentioned in that 4chan screenshot and could actually be what has happened. At least to some extent, and it would explain some of the surroundings of these leaks.

 

[KingGondo]

Ok, you're saying it's ok to violate the rights of someone in his situation?

I don't mind that he got busted. I am curious where people in general draw the line, and why.

I think the leaking of certain types of information should be protected--that is, information in the public interest. Skin shots of celebrities should not fall in that protected category.

If the owner of a business worth billions of dollars happens to be a virulent racist, evidence of this fact is relevant to society's interest in keeping disgusting, discriminatory assholes out of privileged positions. Especially when the franchise is in a league with a majority of black workers.

If Jennifer Lawrence and Kate Upton want to take nude photographs in private, the resulting images have no relevance to society other than satisfying the curiosity and lustful urges of *whoever* on the Internet.

 

[wtfFlag180]

Ok, you're saying it's ok to violate the privacy of someone in certain situations?

I don't mind that he got busted. I am curious where people in general draw the line, and why.

I just want to know why the line is being drawn so suddenly. The tube sites are filled to the brim with amateurs. It would be beyond naive to assume all of those were uploaded with consent.

But I'm not saying that they're wrong to have a problem with people happily enjoying these pictures. Not in the least. They're 100% on the right side of this argument and no amount of hypocrisy is going to change that. But it's worth thinking about.

 

[Trouble]

We just don't have enough data to know one way or the other.

That said, having dealt with Apple over the years at various jobs from a partner/customer/vendor perspective, they suck at the internet way more than most would expect. They put a pretty face on their services, but their back-ends are a mess. They outsource a ton of their infrastructure for their cloud services. Their APIs are a mess, inconsistent, poorly documented and riddled with 3rd party software that their support knows nothing about. I wouldn't be terribly surprised if someone figured out an obscure exploit to grab others' photos.

Edit: Just to clarify, because I realize that reads as particularly harsh, everyone 'sucks at the internet' to some degree, even Google. Also, I can pretty much guarantee security people at quite a few other companies besides Apple are losing sleep tonight over this.

It's a weakness in the "Find my iPhone" API which does not have protection against brute force:

http://thenextweb.com/apple/2014/09...aw-that-led-to-celebrity-photos-being-leaked/

Welp.

 

[ZaCH3000]

I can't get over how dirty Kate Upton must be based on her pics. Hers are great.

 

[Paches]

I think the leaking of certain types of information should be protected--that is, information in the public interest. Skin shots of celebrities should not fall in that protected category.

If the owner of a business worth billions of dollars happens to be a virulent racist, evidence of this fact is relevant to society's interest in keeping disgusting, discriminatory assholes out of privileged positions. Especially when the franchise is in a league with a majority of black workers.

If Jennifer Lawrence and Kate Upton want to take nude photographs in private, the resulting images have no relevance to society other than satisfying the curiosity and lustful urges of *whoever* on the Internet.

It was already public that he was a horrible, discrimnatory person almost a decade ago. He was sued by the DoJ for discriminatory housing:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=jones/060810

It didn't have to take leaked tapes to prove Sterling was a gigantic racist asshole.

 

[Deleted member 13876]

Has this been posted yet? ... interesting if true ...

See:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=124745273&postcount=1094

 

[KingGondo]

It was already public that he was a horrible, discrimnatory person almost a decade ago. He was sued by the DoJ for discriminatory housing:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=jones/060810

It didn't have to take leaked tapes to prove Sterling was a gigantic racist asshole.

I agree with you that Sterling should have been kicked out of the league years ago. I'm well aware of how horrible a person he is.

That doesn't change the fact that his recorded statements are much more in the public interest than these leaked photos.

 

[Irminsul]

Fair enough. So if a .zip file dropped of private conversations from various politicians, that would be ok?

I'm not in support of Sterling BTW. I am just genuinely curious to see when people think it's ok to breach someone's privacy.

I agree that it's always a fine line between what's okay and what isn't. Additionally to public interest, the topic of what's being leaked should be a criterion. I'm generally not in favour of leaking private stuff unless it's illegal, but things that concern your profession are mostly okay to leak IMO. I'm not American and only slightly followed the Sterling case, but I'd say racist remarks by a sports club owner are concerning his profession.

 

[Future]

There is a heavy dose of morality police in this thread. Hopefully the people getting all holy about this shit are consistent and never cross lines when invasion of privacy is a concern. Somehow I doubt that to be the case.

Not that I am endorsing the stealing of private shit. But crucifying regular people that have basic human curiosity when it comes to leaks like this is extreme to the core. The entire tabloid and gossip industry is built on getting in people's business and people love to indulge in it regardless of anyone's consent. It's nice that some people can draw the line when it comes to nudes, but to vilify anyone that doesn't? Come on now

 

[Kinyou]

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[weekend_warrior]

I said GOD DAMN! at the VJ pics.

 

[chadtwo]

I think shit's still getting leaked

This is ridiculous

 

[Tamale]

There is a heavy dose of morality police in this thread. Hopefully the people getting all holy about this shit are consistent and never cross lines when invasion of privacy is a concern. Somehow I doubt that to be the case.

Not that I am endorsing the stealing of private shit. But crucifying regular people that have basic human curiosity when it comes to leaks like this is extreme to the core. The entire tabloid and gossip industry is built on getting in people's business and people love to indulge in it regardless of anyone's consent. It's nice that some people can draw the line when it comes to nudes, but to vilify anyone that doesn't? Come on now

This. Good lord, this. Calling people that see the nudes as misogynistic pieces of shit is just over the line.

 

[Brakke]

Weren't Sterling's tapes recorded while he was in public?

In any case, dude being a racist isn't a private matter so privacy isn't really a concern.

 

[Lothar]

I think shit's still getting leaked

This is ridiculous

In a good way.


Edit: Here's a post I just read on the Something Awful forums

these guys could have at least waited a few days and released everything on september 11 so we could take that day back and make it a positive thing

 

[Brakke]

Stop calling it "leaks". A "leak" is someone with privileged information releasing it. These pictures are stolen.

 

[darkazcura]

Weren't Sterling's tapes recorded while he was in public?

In any case, dude being a racist isn't a private matter so privacy isn't really a concern.

No I'm pretty sure he was in his house..

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

Well, y'know, exactly the thing you quoted..

Yup..

Ha! No lie, I hated the day I found out every single thing I took a picture of/recorded was instantly going to Dropbox/G+ and the like. I had tons of pictures of the back of my head after I was done shaving..I always feel I leave something. I don't

 

[WordsintheWater]

Apparently the guy who leaked this stuff has been found out, I'm not gonna go around posting names or anything because they could be completely wrong, but the evidence does stack up, who knows if it's true or not.

 

[Abstruse Moose]

Stop calling it "leaks". A "leak" is someone with privileged information releasing it. These pictures are stolen.

Symantics is the last thing worth being concerned over.

 

[faceless007]

Let it never be denied that our society still, to this day, has an incredibly possessive and entitled relationship to women's bodies and their sexuality.

 

[bort]

I sure am happy that people have morals for this leak! I am sure that the next time a celeb has personal things leak that everyone will be super supportive no matter what type of public image that celeb has!

 

[CrankyJay]

Let it never be denied that our society still, to this day, has an incredibly possessive and entitled relationship to women's bodies and their sexuality.

This post can be taken either way. So what exactly do you mean?

 

[Son of Sam]

I hit the beach, passed out for a long nap, wake up and there's still MORE coming.

it's crazy. Really crazy. Is this the biggest breach in history of hollywood?

 

[faceless007]

This post can be taken either way. So what exactly do you mean?

I don't think possessiveness and entitlement are good things. I'm surprised there would be any ambiguity about that.

 

[enzo_gt]

I said GOD DAMN! at the VJ pics.

Dark CreepyGAF rises!

 

[CrankyJay]

I don't think possessiveness and entitlement are good things. I'm surprised there would be any ambiguity about that.

On whose part? The people gawking at the photos or the celebs?

 

[Timedog]

Why make a comparison like that to begin with?

Don't know why you're throwing snark at me, I'm not arguing that stuff being online means its fair game for everybody, or that privacy isn't reserved just for non celebrities. You generalized the issue as "how can somebody get reimbursed when their private information is aired out", it isn't that simple.

The point is that when you do stuff in life, sometimes bad guys can take advantage of you, and that is not at all your fault if you have done nothing wrong. Saying "THAT'S NOT A 1:1 ANALOGY!!!!" in no way invalidates that point.

I had to call my bank and transunion because my information was stolen last year so they literally were checking and freezing various accounts and actions in my name.

I was aware that it could happen and I sort of knew how to deal with it. You should be aware that this could happen.

Pretty sure just about everyone is aware that bad things can happen.

 

[CornBurrito]

There is a heavy dose of morality police in this thread. Hopefully the people getting all holy about this shit are consistent and never cross lines when invasion of privacy is a concern. Somehow I doubt that to be the case.

Not that I am endorsing the stealing of private shit. But crucifying regular people that have basic human curiosity when it comes to leaks like this is extreme to the core. The entire tabloid and gossip industry is built on getting in people's business and people love to indulge in it regardless of anyone's consent. It's nice that some people can draw the line when it comes to nudes, but to vilify anyone that doesn't? Come on now

Well yes people are hypocritical about privacy.

 

[faceless007]

On whose part? The people gawking at the photos or the celebs?

In what way could anyone argue that the celebrities are being possessive and entitled about themselves?

 

[Ohwiseone]

This might be the biggest headache ever for Apple whenever they manage to figure out what happened (Which from what I have read here, it looks like it was a hole in I-Cloud.

But, I mean.. holy shit at the McKayla Maroney pic.

Like, This could be bad for apple.

 

[CrankyJay]

In what way could anyone argue that the celebrities are being possessive and entitled about themselves?

Some posters have come in here and have expressed exactly that. Was just curious what side you fell on.

 

[CrankyJay]

This might be the biggest headache ever for Apple whenever they manage to figure out what happened (Which from what I have read here, it looks like it was a hole in I-Cloud.

But, I mean.. holy shit at the McKayla Maroney pic.

Like, This could be bad for apple.

I don't know why people keep asserting this.

 

[faceless007]

Some posters have come in here and have expressed exactly that. Was just curious what side you fell on.

Anyone saying that is exhibiting precisely what I was referring to.

I mean, I did say that I was talking about "our society" in the earlier post.

 

[Alligatorjandro]

I wonder how this will affect their images.

 

[chadtwo]

The mock seriousness with which reddit is talking about this is like something straight out of a South Park episode.

 

[Ric Flair]

I feel guilty for having looked, this is an all-around awful invasion of privacy. I can't imagine what it must feel like to be Jennifer Lawrence right about now. Her body is being shown to the world against her will, its like sexual harassment on a global scale. Poor girl

 

[Sketchbag]

I wonder how this will affect their images.

At least some of them might not have anymore reservations about doing nude scenes now.

Spoiler

I jest

 

[CrankyJay]

I wonder how this will affect their images.

It won't.

 

[harSon]

It won't.

It depends. I could see Jessica Brown Findlay being effected.

 

[Gobias]

See:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=124745273&postcount=1094

lol that's exactly what I thought of.

 

[chadtwo]

I wonder how this will affect their images.

The thing is so many pics have been stolen from so many prominent celebrities during this whole fiasco that I think the big takeaway isn't that "celebrity x is a bad role model/irresponsible/whatever" but rather that pretty much every major celebrity age 20-30 probably has some sort of collection, so blame probably won't/shouldn't be allocated too much on one person. Though Jennifer Lawrence did certainly bear the brunt of the hack (so far).

 

[Dragonborn]

The leaks keep coming. Apparently the leaker even has very explicit videos of Jennifer Lawrence incoming. Crazy stuff. Not to mention hundreds of others pics that apparently haven't been leaked.

 

[strobogo]

I feel guilty for having looked, this is an all-around awful invasion of privacy. I can't imagine what it must feel like to be Jennifer Lawrence right about now. Her body is being shown to the world against her will, its like sexual harassment on a global scale. Poor girl

You're not the real Ric Flair.

 

[harSon]

The thing is so many pics have been stolen from so many prominent celebrities during this whole fiasco that I think the big takeaway isn't that "celebrity x is a bad role model/irresponsible/whatever" but rather that pretty much every major celebrity age 20-30 probably has some sort of collection, so blame probably won't/shouldn't be allocated too much on one person. Though Jennifer Lawrence did certainly bear the brunt of the hack (so far).

It's almost as if people believe that celebrities 100% asexual

 

[Terrell]

I am just genuinely curious to see when people think it's ok to breach someone's privacy.

When it directly affects themselves. Any other time, not a single fuck is given. That's usually my takeaway, be it right or wrong.

There is a heavy dose of morality police in this thread. Hopefully the people getting all holy about this shit are consistent and never cross lines when invasion of privacy is a concern. Somehow I doubt that to be the case.

Glad to see you can speak for every person.

Not that I am endorsing the stealing of private shit. But crucifying regular people that have basic human curiosity when it comes to leaks like this is extreme to the core. The entire tabloid and gossip industry is built on getting in people's business and people love to indulge in it regardless of anyone's consent. It's nice that some people can draw the line when it comes to nudes, but to vilify anyone that doesn't? Come on now

Feeding the desirability of said private shit is an endorsement, there's no way around that. You have condoned a personal privacy invasion by encouraging it to continue through the desire to see them. You can justify it however you like to feel better about it, as is your right, but it is still an endorsement nonetheless. Tabloids and gossip aren't really my favorite things, either, but there is still a clear difference between hearsay of an overheard conversation or a photo taken in public and having something stolen in a clear privacy violation. Both are gross in their own way, but let's not pretend they're equal by any stretch.

Arguments like this are like saying you don't condone the sex trade right after you've paid someone for sex. It doesn't work that way.

 

[Maidenpool?]

You're not the real Ric Flair.

Woooooooooooooooooooo