Thank you for the link.
Okay everyone we're doing personal attacks, let's dial it down. Please. I'm begging you guys.
Can we talk about the apparent iCloud break-in?
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Thank you for the link.
Okay everyone we're doing personal attacks, let's dial it down. Please. I'm begging you guys.
Winterfang
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I'll be honest, quoting everything except my actual argument kinda makes me feel like you blew it off. I also feel that way because you didn't really make an argument discussing my argument. Instead you just said "Yeah well I think this because...." It's not so much a counter-argument as it is just giving your view. And really, your view doesn't have much to do with what I'm saying. I'm not arguing that people downloading these pictures are causing just as much harm. I'm saying they have the same set of morals as peeping Toms, but they just don't want to take the risk.
Didn't say that.
So what were you trying to imply then?
Going to bed now... you guys will still be here in the morning, right?
What exactly am I supposed to say to "it's the same" other than trying to explain to you what I believe are the diffferences?
How is that blowing off your argument?
It's the only counter-argument to "it's the same"... "no, it's different.. here's my view of why."
Here I'll end this: What you are saying doesn't matter. It's irrelevant. It's not an argument. It's just beating the same factually wrong statement into the ground to the point you are insulting the English language. 2 very different things are in fact different, not the same. The end.
Simply that making a comment about class in such a thread is ill-advised. Especially after commentary about how others shouldn't judge someone else's morals and ethics. It seems... contradictory to the discussions presented, in a sense.
Calling people "needle dicked little pissants" has nothing to with morals or ethics, it's just rude.
jim-jam bongs
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My attacks here have been broad but oddly personal, so I don't know if I am necessarily relevant here; but in the spirit of reconciliation I say okay. For those who would choke the chicken over illegally obtained material, or defend such activities I say: "you are not quite as bad as paedophiles and their apologists".
Just grab my hand and just bail the hell out of this topic
Okie dokie
(If things don't settle down, you can snatch me outta here I won't fight LOL)
Because you're bringing up things I didn't say. I'm not saying people who download the pics are causing just as much harm as peeping Toms. I'm not saying they are equal in action. The only thing I am saying are equal in is their moral values of people's privacy. I'm saying that both a peeping Tom and people downloading these pictures don't care about their victim's privacy. I said the difference between them is that a peeping Tom isn't scared of the consequences. I didn't say the results of their actions were the same, only that people that download the pictures are essentially cowardly peeping Toms.
Well, what's rude exists in a spectrum just like morals and ethics do, so...... I don't see any reason to make the distinction. What's rude to you obviously isn't to him and your consideration therefore doesn't matter, if arguments in this thread are to be considered as valid.
Just try to keep your head. This is a very sensitive topic, and it can be overwhelming (I was a victim of this, only my pictures were absolutely tame, just of me and friends at Homecoming) but if we can get back on track, a lot of the combative responses will back down.
davepoobond
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You were just making an "but it's all opinions, man" argument with me...,That's it, I'm done.
You said they were morally equal. You re-iterated this repeatedly with no qualifiers.
I've repeatedly tried to explain to you why they aren't by explaining how much more harm a peeping tom can do than a downloader. Of course I'm bringing up things you didn't say; it's called my argument.
How in the world can you say 2 things are morally equal while admitting one act can do more harm?
The answer is: only in a really bad argument.
So you think someone out in the world thinks being called a "needle dicked little pissants" is a compliment? REALLY? Hey, whatever helps you man.
That's it, I'm done.
So, just so I'm clear, since you're done discussing the matter, it's OK claiming that one awful thing is fine to do, but a different awful thing isn't fine to do, because... reasons?
I'm just trying to clear up why someone being "rude" is any different than saying someone is "unethical" or "immoral", and why one apparently has a spectrum of difference when the other somehow doesn't.
Since he's out, perhaps someone can clear up this distinction of when everyone has a right to make judgements against others and when it's not. I've become terribly confused on the matter.
SteveWinwood
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welp this threads probably getting locked soon since its gone down this ridiculous path
I actually never calmed anything. I just said a peeping tom is not the same as looking at these pics. Good try though. I took no stance on the pictures themselves.
I said they were no better than a peeping Tom in my book. Taking on the act of peeping is obviously more harmful than simply wanting to do it and only not doing it because of fear of consequence. You can disagree with it, but I hold people accountable for what want to do, but don't because they fear consequence. Somebody who wants to steal, but only doesn't because they don't want to go to jail is no better than an acting thief. Morally, I place them together. I do not want to associate with either of them. Your moral character isn't only made up of what you do. I think your moral character is defined by what you will do when consequences are gone. People who download these pics are showing they would be peeping Toms if there was no risk of consequences.
tensuke
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=128084360&postcount=1609
Here you are taking a jab at the morality and ethics discussion in this thread as though it's something unworthy of proper consideration. This was the first example that took me 10 seconds to find. It's pretty clear where you stand, but if you'd like, I could spend more time looking a little bit deeper.
EDIT: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=128082410&highlight=#post128082410
So, morality is a basis of opinion, but somehow what's rude isn't. But no, no statement being claimed there. None whatsoever.
WordsintheWater
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Yup we can
That was the best you could do, a Joke post. LOL Go for Sherlock Holmes.
LumpOfCole
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If this really turns out to be an iCloud Security Breach, I can definitely see Apple making a policy change that requires Two Step Verification for those with the devices that support it.
Seriously though. Earlier you were disregarding what I was saying because everybody has their own opinion. People can't have their own opinion of what is and isn't rude or acceptable language?
I spent an extra 20 seconds and found another non-joke post. Nice try with making me out as a loon, though.
I don't see how my other post has anything to do with being rude...
"Don't tell other people what is and isn't morally wrong"
"Listen to me as I tell you what is and isn't rude"
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Or we could just end it now, and nothing of value will be lost. As always, if new news happens feel free to make a new thread.
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