Winterfang
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Hehe Piece of Shit. I like her sense of humor.
Can we talk about the apparent iCloud break-in?
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Hehe Piece of Shit. I like her sense of humor.
That sounds like another shade of victim blaming.dunno if this has been posted yet
Criticizing the victims for hiding personal things behind what they believed was a secure (private) system isn't cogent.
twinturbo2
butthurt Heat fan
Lol
My newspaper mentioned that the "topic in 4chan was closed" like if that actually meant anything heh but at least they knew its a site.
Is this really surprising to anyone? Seriously people are really naive about standard ToS.
The person who buys a stolen good is considered party to a crime even if they didn't ask to have it stolen. This is the same thing. You are party to a crime, whether you admit it or not. You've obviously chosen not to.
You're justifying your position, so yes, what you're saying is being said to make yourself feel like you've done nothing wrong, thus feel better about yourself. And yeah, you probably should.
Yeah, it's like I said... some people only give a shit about privacy when it's their own at stake (case in point: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=128039822&postcount=1143). You very clearly fall into that category. Unless you're going to somehow claim that you don't value your own privacy even slightly.
If you wanted to read the diary and created the demand for someone to steal it, you see no part played by yourself in the activity, even passively?
Despite the terms of service, a lawsuit can be filed against Apple. They aren't in the clear. Especially with the still growing number of celebrities involved.
BeforeU
Oft hope is born when all is forlorn.
kinkiest one I think lol
They're really, really not. There will not be a single successful lawsuit out of this.
Winterfang
Banned
http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/1/6092769/creeps
Turns out people on twitter who blame the women for being hacked are also real mad at NSA spying
Damn bro, is one thing to look at the pics and to be an hypocrite but replying to the victim that is very mean. Obviously she won't like the though of thousands of strangers masturbating to her naked body.
Officerrob
Banned
This doesn't mean as much as people think it does. Turns out you can't just click accept all your rights away, despite what's in the TOS.
Fucking stellar.
I love just about every picture that came out, I've looked at most of them. I will say that none of these celebrities deserve this, it's not anyones fault, they're human just like the rest of us. If I ever become a person of importance in this world, I hope I'm not targeted like this.
OK, you're going a little far with this....
This is in the arena of ethics; no actual criminal liability exists here.
Moral Panic
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First they'd have to prove the leak was from iCloud, then they'd have to get pass the TOS, then they'd have to fight Apple's paid to the grills lawyers. No chance imo. Everyone is just going to keep their heads down and hope it passes so they can get back to work.
Abstruse Moose
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I really don't understand how some people act shocked by comments they read on Reddit/Twitter/Youtube. The internet has been full of assholes since the beginning.
A Human Becoming
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Apple is definitely determining how the photos were taken. Most likely at least one culprit will take the fall. Their only consequence I foresee is bad PR. I doubt they'll be paying any money to the victims, unless they sue Apple as a group.
And? Where does it invalidate the concept that you are party to a crime, whether or not any criminal liability exists, or whether or not you consider it ethical? The facts remain regardless of either concern.
Right, i'm not blaming them it's not their faults at all but my point is that they should be aware that these things can possibly happen. Don't really understand what you were saying with your example.
Strange site in general and i hate the layout. But theres like little to no mods on a lot of sections on that site, i guess? So it's to be expected
Dr Bass
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Damage to reputation could be the issue, though they are masters at managing how people see them. It's ironic given how much they like to bash Android and MS for security problems. They simply can't keep leaning on their marketing that everything is just perfectly secure and magical "because it's Apple."
Imagine if these people had targeted ALL iPhone users for this ...
Because if you are a party to a crime, criminal liability exists. Furthermore, the party to the crime is liable to the same extent as the perpetrator (the "hacker"). Looking up the pictures on Google does not make you a "party to a crime"
(Just so you know, in order to be a party to a crime, you have to intend for the crime to be committed as well as aid the perpetrator in committing the crime. Since neither is present here, it's an ethical issue, not a criminal one)
I guess I've been under a rock or something because I'm just hearing about this. Man, I feel bad for all the people that had their photos stolen. I know I'd feel pretty terrible if it were my photos taken.
Also, whether it makes sense or not, I'm guessing Apple's stock is going to take a beating and get shorted HARD in the short term. Savvy investors are probably gonna get paid.
Also, whether it makes sense or not, I'm guessing Apple's stock is going to take a beating and get shorted HARD in the short term. Savvy investors are probably gonna get paid.
Rafa=FedKilla
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Putting the onus on Apple is another form of victim blaming....
They very well could be. Not even in the legal sense.
All it takes is mindshare of the public and a loss of trust on a widespread scale of their products and services and it can make a huge deal.
The Elite
BOSS
I'd like the response to be something genuine and hilarious but I imagine a team of PR people are crafting 140 character response right now.
I doubt it. She's the "big one" in this case. Has to be tough. When people refer to these stolen pictures she'll come up naturally.
I don't think it will affect her in a box office/celebrity status manner, but it has to feel terrible.
Oh boy, you called me a creep! Are you talking shit about me in a public forum against my will?
You're hypocritical without even realizing it.
I don't feel the slightest bit sorry for ANYONE that finds themselves in these situations. I don't bend my ethic to fit whatever agenda happens to be popular either. Consistency.
Sure, but I don't think a lawsuit would get very far.
iCloud is an entirely optional service that requires opt-in, accepting the terms of service, and then manually enabling each feature. The victims in this case were fully aware their photos were being stored on the internet (albeit privately) and the risks that come with that.
A Human Becoming
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Not what I think is right, just what I think will happen.
alfredofroylan
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No, what you're describing is an accessory to a crime. Being "party to a crime" is not an exclusively criminal term, as complicity is not considered criminal in most countries but still makes a person "party to a crime" by proxy. If you're going to discuss semantics, of course.
And you didn't address my question. Would you care to now that the semantics are cleared up?
Do you have to manually enable auto uploading ever pic to the cloud?
Rafa=FedKilla
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Was just posting it as a joke.
The Elite
BOSS
I think they would have cased based on the fact that Apple's security was unable to keep their private photos secure on the iCloud servers.
The basic concept of it doesn't seem that different than Sony's service getting hacked and credit cards being leaked. The content is different but there is a certain measure of security expected in both cases. In both cases that measure of security wasn't met.
I'm not sure how far it would go though. Where did Sony's situation end up? I swear I ended up with $10 or something out of a classic action lawsuit a couple of years ago. Or some free games.
Winterfang
Banned
To be honest she took the biggest blunt out of this. She is probably crying herself to sleep, while her sponsors keep calling to cancel their contracts. I mean, I hope not, but that's what I would probably do in my case.
Naw.
I don't think these are going to hold up in court once lawyers start picking at them.
Thank you for referencing such an awesome movie.
Well, she probably doesn't want to say something off the top of her head.
The Elite
BOSS
It really depends on the person. She could just as likely be the type of person to blow this off and mock the people who want to see her naked. We don't really know her.
I thought MEW and Dunst's reactions were basically calling out the people looking at them as pathetic but they didn't seem to let it ruin their day.
You're right though. Jennifer Lawrence is certainly at the forefront of all this. She may see her comments as important.
GreatMightySymp
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I wonder if any of the people affected had two-way authentication enabled, or if that supposed hack got around it?
Do you think anyone will learn from this experience and take their online privacy seriously?
I hope things like 2FA becomes the norm or even better would be big tech companies should force people to use it. They should see this as an opportunity to promote it at the very least.
The username/password paradigm is broken and needs to go away.
I hope things like 2FA becomes the norm or even better would be big tech companies should force people to use it. They should see this as an opportunity to promote it at the very least.
The username/password paradigm is broken and needs to go away.
Eh, this is different, these were targeted "hacks" that were probably done through a combination of social engineering and brute force. The former is definitely not Apple's fault and the latter is only sort of Apple's fault as a stronger password would have made it practically impossible.
As to victim blaming, it really comes down to this, if there is something you're ashamed of doing and don't want people to see, either don't do it or definitely don't take pictures of it and share them with others. That doesn't make the "theft" of these photos any less illegal, but there's an element of personally responsibility here that can't be ignored.
Telling you how screwed up your overall perspective is, is somehow on equal ground as a woman's pictures being spread about without permission and humiliating her?
Your ethics are concerning, and distorted.
If anything, this is the one opportunity where you should be focused on yourself. Because you really need some self reflection.
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