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[SenorArdilla]

Didn't Ken say that he was going to drop Marth for Lucina? Wonder how he feels now.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

what are the chances they patch the final build of any exploit the community finds? Even after release.

 

[OricWindstar]

fuck youuuuuuuu landing lag

Hey Anth0ny, as someone who's more versed in the pro scene, how big of a game changer does this seem to be if in the final build? Is it really just the equivalent of an L-Cancel with a more practical input method?

 

[Makai]

Agreed, but if it this or nothing, let's go with this. Also, D1 mentioned it on twitter:

He's clearly joking, guys. lol

 

[DICKS AHOY]

Boost Guardian announced as a playable character. What do?

Proof that Sakurai is well versed with the Metroid Prime games, but at the same time is trying to kill us.

 

[johnbone]

what are the chances they patch the final build of any exploit the community finds? Even after release.

That would suck.
Fortunately, Nintendo only patches games when the are horrifically broken (SS save glitch, mk7 shortcut).

 

[Peléo]

So apparently someone found a way to reduce landing Lag in the E3 demo:
http://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/2f8b3q/apparently_someone_found_a_way_to_get_out_of/

Hope it's true!

In melee when you L-cancelled you cut you landing lag by half, and can take an action after this reduced time. So, in Smash 4, instead of waiting the reduced time to pass you can immediately take a move? This will open a lot of options. Dash, Shield and Attacks are confirmed by now, I wonder if it will work with grab as well.

Seems to be good news.

 

[johnbone]

Not to be pessimistic, but does it really matter given how old that build was? For all we know it's an oversight that's out of the final build.

Or alternatively easier to pull off in the final build and less obtuse, whatever.

I guess we'll see in a week!
Either way, it's fun to speculate, as long as you keep your expectations grounded!

 

[Flowmoney]

Today is good night for Sakurai to show another costume.

 

[MiguelMexMIstery]

I still find it impossible to never add in Marth since he has always been the guy you first think of when you hear FE...even before Melee. That's my fair reasoning without adding in my personal feelings about Chrom as a character

I would like to think that too, but Sakurai decided to include Ness instead of Ninten, and that was only when the Mother series only had two games. Imagine in a hypothethical situation when there are 10+.

 

[Beelzebufo]

Today is good night for Sakurai to show another costume.

I want Luma wearing a parka!

 

[OricWindstar]

Today is good night for Sakurai to show another costume.

At this point, stages and costumes are what I'm most amped for. Though, I'd love to be surprised with a cool looking Wii-U exclusive mode.

 

[zroid]

Nagisa for smash

 

[Anth0ny]

Hey Anth0ny, as someone who's more versed in the pro scene, how big of a game changer does this seem to be if in the final build? Is it really just the equivalent of an L-Cancel with a more practical input method?

The ability to cancel landing lag on aerials is huge. Speeds up the pace of the game tremendously. Allows for combos that aren't possible otherwise.

I am skeptical, though, as I feel like something as big as this would have been discovered at E3, or one of the many events following E3. All will be known in 10 days, I guess.

 

[Crocodile]

One day I'll understand why pro-Smashers call it "landing lag" instead of "recovery" like EVERY OTHER FGC IN THE HISTORY OF ALL OF SPACE TIME

 

[emb]

So, my friends! Who's gonna jump in the very last Brawl In The Family Kickstarter? I know I am!!



Btw, it's confirmed that the comic's gonna wrap up at 600 strips...and the final one will be released on October 3; that's right, on Smash 3DS' NA release.



The feelings, man.

Thanks for posting! I was planning to order all the volumes after it wrapped up, glad I can get them all in one swoop. 80 for paperback or 135 for hardcover though.. the hard choices. Guess I'll have to cheap out on this. :\

 

[Loco4Coco]

WiiU version release date tonight.

 

[OricWindstar]

Oh man, Smash coming out next Friday means a weekend of Smash soundtrack goodness flooding online! Stoked!

 

[random25]

Dark Pit and Dr. Mario reveals

Spoiler

as alts

 

[theprodigy]

One day I'll understand why pro-Smashers call it "landing lag" instead of "recovery" like EVERY OTHER FGC IN THE HISTORY OF ALL OF SPACE TIME

because recovery=getting back to the stage (UNLIKE EVERY OTHER FGC IN THE HISTORY OF ALL OF SPACE TIME )
as for why lag specifically, idk

 

[Captain Rage Quit 69]

What if the PotD was of the game's icon on the home menu, with a follow-up of the game's banner image on the top screen?

I'd like it.

 

[BuggyDClown]

What if the PotD was of the game's icon on the home menu, with a follow-up of the game's banner image on the top screen?

I'd like it.

Thats awful

 

[OricWindstar]

The ability to cancel landing lag on aerials is huge. Speeds up the pace of the game tremendously. Allows for combos that aren't possible otherwise.

I am skeptical, though, as I feel like something as big as this would have been discovered at E3, or one of the many events following E3. All will be known in 10 days, I guess.

Cool, that was my understanding. I'm hoping to look into being a little more competitive with this game, as I can start right at launch with everyone else.

 

[JoBo4]

I dunno about you guys, but do you guys sometimes get annoyed with all the talk about Smash 4 not being "tourney" proof or whatever?

I like playing smash and I get that some want to play it at a competitive level. I admire Project M, but i feel many treat the smash series as those moms who dress up their children for the beauty pageants. It just seems weird and kinda forced. The game is what it is. Basically banning all but 3 levels to play.

It's a weird place to be, you know. I'm able to do the wavedashing and all the advanced techs in melee and stuff but i still find it kinda weird that people will go as far as change an entire game to in order for it to be even considered a "good enough" game.

You know what i mean?

 

[OmegaSmash]

One day I'll understand why pro-Smashers call it "landing lag" instead of "recovery" like EVERY OTHER FGC IN THE HISTORY OF ALL OF SPACE TIME

"Recovery" = ending frames of the attack
"Landing Lag" = lag when an attack in motion hits the ground

 

[OricWindstar]

I dunno about you guys, but do you guys sometimes get annoyed with all the talk about Smash 4 not being "tourney" proof or whatever?

I like playing smash and I get that some want to play it at a competitive level. I admire Project M, but i feel many treat the smash series as those moms who dress up their children for the beauty pageants. It just seems weird and kinda forced. The game is what it is. Basically banning all but 3 levels to play.

It's a weird place to be, you know. I'm able to do the wavedashing and all the advanced techs in melee and stuff but i still find it kinda weird that people will go as far as change an entire game to in order for it to be even considered a "good enough" game.

You know what i mean?

No, I agree to a certain extent. I like the tourney scene, but I'm just as excited to play with items on every stage with friends.

 

[The Broken Ska Record]

NOOOO! I want to back the Brawl in the Family kickstarter, but I'm not going to have the money to do it until Late October.

 

[MaverickHunterAsh]

I dunno about you guys, but do you guys sometimes get annoyed with all the talk about Smash 4 not being "tourney" proof or whatever?

I like playing smash and I get that some want to play it at a competitive level. I admire Project M, but i feel many treat the smash series as those moms who dress up their children for the beauty pageants. It just seems weird and kinda forced. The game is what it is. Basically banning all but 3 levels to play.

It's a weird place to be, you know. I'm able to do the wavedashing and all the advanced techs in melee and stuff but i still find it kinda weird that people will go as far as change an entire game to in order for it to be even considered a "good enough" game.

You know what i mean?

Absolutely. Can't stand that talk and the people who create it.

Smash 4 should be judged on how great a game and how great a celebration of Nintendo's history it is, not on how successfully it appeals to a very small, very obnoxious subset of Smash players.

 

[WonderRade]

Hey Anth0ny, as someone who's more versed in the pro scene, how big of a game changer does this seem to be if in the final build? Is it really just the equivalent of an L-Cancel with a more practical input method?

This wasnt directed at me but...

It all depends on how many characters can do it and with how many moves. It sounds like there is a small window after attacking in which you can just start acting again. No specific input, it just seems to be timing based.

From a metagame perspective it really depends on how many characters can do it and on how many moves. It would be a benefit to anyone who can do it.

Not gonna lie though (and this is just in general), I hate to hear people exclaim, "now it can be competitive!"
It was always gonna be competitive, it just depends on if its your cup of tea or not.

 

[Crocodile]

because recovery=getting back to the stage
as for why lag specifically, idk

That is a fair point relative to other fighting games. Wish they'd say "move recovery" or "recovery frames" or something else. Landing lag sounds dumb and it wasn't immediately obvious to me what that meant from early impressions :/

 

[J@hranimo]

WiiU version release date tonight.

I wish this every day and night. Hopefully we'll know before October.

Cool, that was my understanding. I'm hoping to look into being a little more competitive with this game, as I can start right at launch with everyone else.

That's what I'm planning too. I want to go to Apex 2015 and compete in Smash 4 and possibly Project M.

 

[A Link to the Past]

I dunno about you guys, but do you guys sometimes get annoyed with all the talk about Smash 4 not being "tourney" proof or whatever?

I like playing smash and I get that some want to play it at a competitive level. I admire Project M, but i feel many treat the smash series as those moms who dress up their children for the beauty pageants. It just seems weird and kinda forced. The game is what it is. Basically banning all but 3 levels to play.

It's a weird place to be, you know. I'm able to do the wavedashing and all the advanced techs in melee and stuff but i still find it kinda weird that people will go as far as change an entire game to in order for it to be even considered a "good enough" game.

You know what i mean?

Project M exists because they love the content but don't like the execution. What do you think mods exist to do? :v

 

[OricWindstar]

This wasnt directed at me but...

It all depends on how many characters can do it and with how many moves. It sounds like there is a small window after attacking in which you can just start acting again. No specific input, it just seems to be timing based.

From a metagame perspective it really depends on how many characters can do it and on how many moves. It would be a benefit to anyone who can do it.

Not gonna lie though (and this is just in general), I hate to hear people exclaim, "now it can be competitive!"
It was always gonna be competitive, it just depends on if its your cup of tea or not.

Oh yeah, totally agree with your last statement. I find all the gameplay tidbits interesting, as it's informing what kind of competitive community will come out of it.

That's what I'm planning too. I want to go to Apex 2015 and compete in Smash 4 and possibly Project M.

Oh yeah, I'm hoping to see GAFers at some of these things as well. If I remember correctly, RomanceDawn and I had briefly talked in an earlier thread about both most likely going to EVO next year, so I'm sure there'll be a ton of people there from NeoGAF.

 

[SkullHydra]

Rats! I thought I signed up for that Bash Sisters tourney. Oh well... ='(

Those BitF books are so expensive...

 

[OricWindstar]

Rats! I thought I signed up for that Bash Sisters tourney. Oh well... ='(

Those BitF books are so expensive...

...how long do you have that avatar again?

 

[JoBo4]

Project M exists because they love the content but don't like the execution. What do you think mods exist to do? :v

I have yet to play project M...but honestly what i don't agree with is what it stands for. Even in the name, I assume the "M" stands for melee, right? It's like they basically want Brawl, or smash in general to be like Melee. It's weird. They can't let each game be their own entitiy. ANd this vocal minority is kinda ruining the game for me in a way. You have people yelling out "BANNED" when they announce each stage. It's just kinda annoying i guess. idk lol

 

[WonderRade]

I dunno about you guys, but do you guys sometimes get annoyed with all the talk about Smash 4 not being "tourney" proof or whatever?

I like playing smash and I get that some want to play it at a competitive level. I admire Project M, but i feel many treat the smash series as those moms who dress up their children for the beauty pageants. It just seems weird and kinda forced. The game is what it is. Basically banning all but 3 levels to play.

It's a weird place to be, you know. I'm able to do the wavedashing and all the advanced techs in melee and stuff but i still find it kinda weird that people will go as far as change an entire game to in order for it to be even considered a "good enough" game.

You know what i mean?

I think an interesting consideration is that in all honesty, the scene we considered to be the overall "smash competitive scene" was born and raised on melee. I mean yeah there was some 64 tourneys and what not but the grassroots movement that has put smash brothers at EVO and the like were people that got competitive in smash during melee. Which during its 13 years of being out has had quite the developed metagame. No wonder for a lot of people in the competitive scene get excited when things tend to be more melee-esque in style.

 

[Troubled Bat]

Oh yeah, totally agree with your last statement. I find all the gameplay tidbits interesting, as it's informing what kind of competitive community will come out of it.

Oh yeah, I'm hoping to see GAFers at some of these things as well. If I remember correctly, RomanceDawn and I had briefly talked in an earlier thread about both most likely going to EVO next year, so I'm sure there'll be a ton of people there from NeoGAF.

I can actually say that I will be going to EVO next year. Going with a couple of friends as well. Heh.

 

[Hispanic! At the Disco]

I'm hoping we get a new stage tonight. I feel like there aren't many unique stages compared to other games. Hopefully there is a large number and it's just kept secret behind unlocks.


Aaannnd first post on the good ol' NeoGAF! Good to finally go from GAF-lurker to GAF post contributor.

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Don't forget I'm here forever.

 

[JB-the-Hunter]

I have yet to play project M...but honestly what i don't agree with is what it stands for. Even in the name, I assume the "M" stands for melee, right? It's like they basically want Brawl, or smash in general to be like Melee. It's weird. They can't let each game be their own entitiy. ANd this vocal minority is kinda ruining the game for me in a way. You have people yelling out "BANNED" when they announce each stage. It's just kinda annoying i guess. idk lol

The whole "banned" thing is basically just a running joke.

 

[OricWindstar]

I can actually say that I will be going to EVO next year. Going with a couple of friends as well. Heh.

Cool! Competing or spectating?

 

[IceDoesntHelp]

I fucking hate the tourney talk. My god, I don't see Smash as that kind of game. Just fucking enjoy the game.

 

[Josephl64]

One day I'll understand why pro-Smashers call it "landing lag" instead of "recovery" like EVERY OTHER FGC IN THE HISTORY OF ALL OF SPACE TIME

well it's not a fighting game, it's an Opponent-Based Action Game

 

[SkullHydra]

...how long do you have that avatar again?

Just a week...

I'm hoping we get a new stage tonight. I feel like there aren't many unique stages compared to other games. Hopefully there is a large number and it's just kept secret behind unlocks.


Aaannnd first post on the good ol' NeoGAF! Good to finally go from GAF-lurker to GAF post contributor.

Welcome! Don't forget, you---

Spoiler

Don't forget I'm here forever.

Man, you juniors are no fun anymore.

 

[Loco4Coco]

Lot of new members lately. Must be a game coming out I guess.

 

[Kyzon]

I fucking hate the tourney talk. My god, I don't see Smash as that kind of game. Just fucking enjoy the game.

.... I enjoy going to tournaments and playing to win.

Sorry ;_;

 

[Toxi]

Boost Guardian announced as a playable character. What do?

BANNED LIKE A MOTHERFUCKER

RIP SMASH BROS BOOSTY'S GOT THIS

 

[Troubled Bat]

Cool! Competing or spectating?

I will be competing, as my friends will be spectating.

I fucking hate the tourney talk. My god, I don't see Smash as that kind of game. Just fucking enjoy the game.

Does that mean you hate me, since i'm a TO for Smash 4. :c

 

[JB-the-Hunter]

I fucking hate the tourney talk. My god, I don't see Smash as that kind of game. Just fucking enjoy the game.

That's kinda hypocritical. You can't tell people to enjoy the game and at the same time restrict them from enjoying it on a competitive/tourney level. There are many ways to enjoy the game. Which is why it's so beloved.

 

[Crocodile]

Absolutely. Can't stand that talk and the people who create it.

Smash 4 should be judged on how great a game and how great a celebration of Nintendo's history it is, not on how successfully it appeals to a very small, very obnoxious subset of Smash players.

I can appreciate how some segments of the community can be annoying for lack of a better word but I do hope you take time to familiarize yourself with some of its bright spots like D1, Prog, etc. I feel your letting the loud outcries of a few online taint your entire impression

This wasnt directed at me but...

It all depends on how many characters can do it and with how many moves. It sounds like there is a small window after attacking in which you can just start acting again. No specific input, it just seems to be timing based.

From a metagame perspective it really depends on how many characters can do it and on how many moves. It would be a benefit to anyone who can do it.

Not gonna lie though (and this is just in general), I hate to hear people exclaim, "now it can be competitive!"
It was always gonna be competitive, it just depends on if its your cup of tea or not.

Yeah, this right here is what has really been grinding my gears about a lot of this casual/competitive conversation. ANYTHING can be competitive, its just a matter of how well it tests skill/preparation and if its actually fun. A slower paced game may be less fun - to the unfortunate point that you may not want to play it - but that doesn't make it not competitive. As distasteful as Brawl may have been to some, it still wasn't Coinflip - The Video Game.

I fucking hate the tourney talk. My god, I don't see Smash as that kind of game. Just fucking enjoy the game.

They aren't mutually exclusive concepts. I'd assume/hopes anyone who competes also enjoys it