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[Toxi]

Well for one each doesn't have it's own set of colors.

There are plenty of alternate costumes in other games like UMvC3 that don't have their own color sets.

 

[A Link to the Past]

I hate to ask, because you probably get questions about this all the time, but are there any new theories on if the leaked roster was final or not?

Depends on what you consider new. The PotD last night showed that All Star cannot prove anything of whether the roster is final or not, as it updates depending on what you have unlocked.

 

[GamerSoul]

Wario has been picking his nose in pretty much every game (and game manual) he's ever been in, save perhaps for the first few. The grossness is nothing new, but it is getting overemphasized these days. Originally, Wario's biggest feature was his greed. All his games were about getting tons of treasure and building a ridiculously ostentatious mansion for himself. The grossness was an important part of this, because it filled out Wario's "vulgarian" persona, but it shouldn't be the central feature.



I totally agree, but I couldn't help but laugh at that part. Wario's "bravery" has always consisted in a single-minded pursuit of treasure and a huge ego, and his "masculinity" has always consisted in his slobbish, muscle-headedness (to coin a phrase.) Not exactly great virtues of character.

Great points. And this made me realize why most of the modern depictions of Wario just don't really work for me. Imo, I don't think Sakurai is all that interested in Wario Land.

 

[The Great Gonzales]

Wario Land has been a series for like, 12 years by the time Brawl came out. There were five games he could have taken content from. DOZENS of characters he could have taken content from. As for his costume - what of it? More people know him for his Classic costume thanks to Mario Kart, Tennis, Party, Golf, etc. I would sooner say that Sakurai added the costume just because of his Mario series roles.

The problem was, by the time Brawl came along, Wario Land was basically dead in the water. Even though Shake It was just around the corner, the last real WL game, WL4, had come out a whopping seven years ago. The only remotely similar games since then were Wario World and Master of Disguise, neither of which were super popular, IIRC. Meanwhile, WarioWare was flourishing. So while I wish Sakurai had dove farther back into Wario's history like he often does, it is understandable that he focused on WW. That was the most relevant Wario franchise at the time.

Frankly, I don't think the landscape has changed much. Shake It was a near-perfect Wario Land game, but for whatever reason, Nintendo hasn't followed up on it and released a sequel on the 3DS or something. There have, however, been more WW games since Brawl, so I expect to once again see more WW representation in Smash.

little known development fact: super smash bros brawl was originally devised as a smear campaign against wario. modeling staff had to actually sneak the plumber alt into the game without sakurai's knowledge in an attempt to save him from his false gross characterization. once sakurai learned of their attempts to tarnish his plan with unclean wario land content, they, along with their families, were exiled and never heard from again.

I believe it.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Why aren't Pikachu's hats counted as alternate costumes again?

I don't know, ask Sakurai. He's the one who said Wario was the only one with the honor of having alt costumes.

 

[Captainbojanglesiii]

Off topic: One of my favorite things in the SSE is the friendship/team of Luigi, Ness and Dedede.

I liked seeing Diddy and Fox together and Link and Yoshi together. Some great character pairings in the SSE.

 

[Berordn]

I hate to ask, because you probably get questions about this all the time, but are there any new theories on if the leaked roster was final or not?

Nothing worth mentioning, anyway. Pretty much the same as before except opponents of final roster are using it as evidence in favor (since it was also leaked) while proponents of final roster are dismissing it (because the footage seems to be compiled from multiple sources and not just from a single continuous playthrough with the same save data).

Basically the same as before: nothing conclusive.

 

[Jamix012]

Depends on what you consider new. The PotD last night showed that All Star cannot prove anything of whether the roster is final or not, as it updates depending on what you have unlocked.

I literally just checked that out. Wasn't there a lock on All-star in the leak too, suggesting that it's not final? I mean it's possibly both shots were taken at different times, but does this mean we might see Wolf and Lucas back after all?

Nothing worth mentioning, anyway. Pretty much the same as before except opponents of final roster are using it as evidence in favor (since it was also leaked) while proponents of final roster are dismissing it (because the footage seems to be compiled from multiple sources and not just from a single continuous playthrough with the same save data).

Basically the same as before: nothing conclusive.

Ah ok, thanks.

 

[SmithnCo]

There are plenty of alternate costumes in other games like UMvC3 that don't have their own color sets.

I know they had to go through Marvel for every color or whatever but that was just shitty.

 

[maxcriden]

WarioWare is about farting?

WarioWare is about making Iwata say things as ridiculous as this:

When I play the retail version at home, I want to see whether or not I can manage to ski with all those girls following in my wake.

So new technology has enabled you to roll up toilet paper! (laughs)

Now I'm gonna ask something a little mischievous. Did you ever think there might not be that many people out there who really want to make video games?

 

[Captainbojanglesiii]

WarioWare is about making Iwata say things as ridiculous as this:

Warioware is a weird, weird game series.

 

[Beelzebufo]

Elaborate.

Which move is the Shoulder Charge? Can you cite one game where the Shoulder Charge from Smash is the same as it?

EDIT: See, Wario doesn't need to have subtle nods, he has like 20 different games you could take from, dozens of moves you could make out of things he actually does in his games as a part of the gameplay. Mario doesn't get subtle nods - he gets a Cape Feather, he gets FLUDD, he gets a Fire Flower. Palutena doesn't get subtle nods, all of her attacks are real things that exist in Uprising.

Dude, one of his moves is the "famous shoulder charge" you were just talking about on the last page. You're being needlessly obtuse.

 

[Benzychenz]

I don't understand Wario fans.

At least Waluigi you can like in a sort of ironic way, but Wario is just plain unlikable.

 

[emb]

There are plenty of alternate costumes in other games like UMvC3 that don't have their own color sets.

You're actually probably right. Most alts seem to have their colors, but if Little Mac's hoodie only came in one color, I'd still call it an alt.

I guess Pokemon costumes don't seem like it because they aren't as big of a change. It's not the whole character, just one accessory on top of their head.

 

[A Link to the Past]

The problem was, by the time Brawl came along, Wario Land was basically dead in the water. Even though Shake It was just around the corner, the last real WL game, WL4, had come out a whopping seven years ago. The only remotely similar games since then were Wario World and Master of Disguise, neither of which were super popular, IIRC. Meanwhile, WarioWare was flourishing. So while I wish Sakurai had dove farther back into Wario's history like he often does, it is understandable that he focused on WW. That was the most relevant Wario franchise at the time.

Frankly, I don't think the landscape has changed much. Shake It was a near-perfect Wario Land game, but for whatever reason, Nintendo hasn't followed up on it and released a sequel on the 3DS or something. There have, however, been more WW games since Brawl, so I expect to once again see more WW representation in Smash.



I believe it.

That's entirely silly. Sakurai has trophies of characters from much earlier than Wario Land 4. Why wasn't Wario even considered back in Melee? He had several games by then and was a Mario series mainstay. Why is the only sticker from Wario Land just Tiny Wario? Why would the dev team say "oh, you want material? Here's Wario. Oh, and Tiny Wario." They wouldn't give him Mad Scienstein or Rudy the Clown or Captain Syrup or Spearmask or Spear Guy or the Black Sugar Pirates or the Ball Bunny or Golden Diva or the Genie or Hard Hat Wario or the dozens of Wario transformations/upgrades or Princess Shokora or Catbat or Spoiled Rotten or the Wario-Mobile or Cuckoo Condor or many of the different characters, enemies, worlds, bosses, objects, vehicles, weapons, etc. that have appeared throughout the Wario Land series?

Far more likely than the Wario Land devs not giving him that content is the idea that Sakurai didn't care to include it.

 

[maxcriden]

Off topic: One of my favorite things in the SSE is the friendship/team of Luigi, Ness and Dedede.

Never played it, but that's awesome. Dedede is so great.

 

[A Link to the Past]

Dude, one of his moves is the "famous shoulder charge" you were just talking about on the last page. You're being needlessly obtuse.

No, you're being difficult by refusing to answer my question.

Does Wario's shoulder charge work in Brawl as it does in any other video game it has ever appeared in?

If Mario had a flamethrower instead of a Fire Flower, people would be upset.

But apparently, a Wario Land fan wanting a little more than "Wario hits someone in the face with his shoulder" to represent his signature "Wario runs forward with his shoulder sticking out" attack is being silly if they point out the massive differences.

 

[Berordn]

Does Wario's shoulder charge work in Brawl as it does in any other video game it has ever appeared in?

Does Mario's cape work in Brawl as it does in any other video game it has ever appeared in? Does Meta Knight's tornado work in Brawl as it does in any other video game it has ever appeared in? Does Greninja's hydro pump work in Smash 4 as it does in any other video game it has ever appeared in?

 

[-Horizon-]

I don't understand Wario fans.

At least Waluigi you can like in a sort of ironic way, but Wario is just plain unlikable.

Ashely should be playable and Wario an assist trophy. Boom.

 

[Lord_Byron28]

Depends on what you consider new. The PotD last night showed that All Star cannot prove anything of whether the roster is final or not, as it updates depending on what you have unlocked.

Well not quite. The padlock symbol indicates not everything is unlocked and that padlock symbol was present in the leaks for All Star mode.

 

[Berordn]

Ashely should be playable and Wario an assist trophy. Boom.

who's the girl next door
who's stealing all your newcomer slots

 

[A Link to the Past]

Does Mario's cape? Does Meta Knight's tornado? Does Greninja's hydro pump?

People are citing it as the ONLY WARIO LAND MOVE. When the only Wario Land move is inaccurate to the source material, it is EXTREMELY disingenuous to say "the Shoulder Charge is already in Smash!"

Mario got his Fire Flower. Wario literally has nothing that actually works like it does in Wario Land. Don't dismiss people for not being satisfied with a pointlessly shitty version of a great ability.

 

[Spinosaurus]

Does Wario's shoulder charge work in Brawl as it does in any other video game it has ever appeared in?

Do it as Wario-Man. Ta-dah!

EDIT: It's not shitty. It's a really reliable finisher. Landing it with the super armor is one of the best things about the character.

But apparently, a Wario Land fan wanting a little more than "Wario hits someone in the face with his shoulder" to represent his signature "Wario runs forward with his shoulder sticking out" attack is being silly if they point out the massive differences.

Wario Land is my favorite franchise, and I wouldn't change a thing about Brawl Wario.

I'd take a stage though, and Captain Syrup.

 

[Josephl64]

Ashely should be playable and Wario an assist trophy. Boom.

but Kat & Ana...I would love Ashley in though

 

[Pyrokai]

This thread.....sometimes it's depressing. It makes me realize that Smash is only half of what it could be. I'm so sad right now

 

[Chase17]

Off topic: One of my favorite things in the SSE is the friendship/team of Luigi, Ness and Dedede.

It's too bad there won't be a SSE like mode. I enjoyed the cutscenes

 

[Captainbojanglesiii]

who's the girl next door
who's stealing all your newcomer slots

You'd better know her name
Because it' Ashley

 

[A Link to the Past]

Do it as Wario-Man. Ta-dah!

EDIT: It's not shitty. It's a really reliable finisher. Landing it with the super armor is one of the best things about the character.

Wario Land is my favorite franchise, and I wouldn't change a thing about Brawl Wario.

I'd take a stage though, and Captain Syrup.

"Do it as Wario-Man" sounds quite like another way to say "find a workaround to fix Sakurai's bias!"

Also, when using Wario-Man's Shoulder Charge, can I jump during it? Do I bounce off opponents when I make impact? People can cite stuff like "Mario's tornados don't work as they should", but that doessn't exactly relate when Mario's signature Fireball move is painstakingly synced with how it works in his own games.

 

[maxcriden]

Guys HUELEN10 is not going to be happy if anyone other than Mona makes it in as a WarioWare newcomer!

 

[Berordn]

You'd better know her name
Because it' Ashley

she riles up the fans
and her name brews up a storm

she'll turn your thread into a flame war

 

[Josephl64]

It's too bad there won't be a SSE like mode. I enjoyed the cutscenes

Pikachu and Samus is the best team

 

[Spinosaurus]

Ashely should be playable and Wario an assist trophy. Boom.

Boo. Ashley is the worst Warioware member.

Should have been Jimmy T or Mona instead.

 

[Beelzebufo]

I don't understand Wario fans.

At least Waluigi you can like in a sort of ironic way, but Wario is just plain unlikable.

His games are some of the best out there, and he's fun to play as/has some good taunts. What's not to like?

 

[HiroTSK5]

Warioware (GBA) is video games at their purest

 

[Rychu Supadude]

My theory is that Sakurai/Nintendo simply didn't want Wario to be "yet another platforming character" - being able to represent the uniqueness of the Ware series is a no-brainer by comparison. I do agree that his characterisation comes off as a little mishandled, though.

As I see it, Wario's central conceit is that he is such an utterly repulsive, "never want to meet in real life" caricature of a man that he actually breaks the scale and wraps around to become something that many people can't help but root for. Boogers and farts are just one small part of this repulsiveness, though - there's his massive ego, his arrogance, his lack of respect, his insistence on cheating, his all-consuming greed...

It's far from being the game's biggest problem, and I'll take a slightly inaccurate Wario over no Wario at all any month of the year.

 

[zroid]

Pretty much any WarioWare character would be better than Wario imo :lol

Mona, Ashley, Kat&Ana, or Jimmy T would be awesome though

 

[MannyToons]

I don't understand Wario fans.

At least Waluigi you can like in a sort of ironic way, but Wario is just plain unlikable.

Take that back. TAKE IT.

 

[random25]

Off topic: One of my favorite things in the SSE is the friendship/team of Luigi, Ness and Dedede.

LOL at Dedede. Love that he's getting more expressive in Smash 4.

 

[GamerSoul]

I don't understand Wario fans.

At least Waluigi you can like in a sort of ironic way, but Wario is just plain unlikable.

Unlike Mario, who's busy eating mushrooms and saving Peach from who knows where, Wario is all about Wario and getting his*.

*See Wario Land Shake It ending.

edit: and the games are fun too. i really need to replay WL 2 again...

 

[The Bankslammer]

mona is the best warioware newcomer choice

she'll drain modeling resources from every other character when she gets entirely different costumes as her palette swaps and it'll be great

 

[Josephl64]

Guys HUELEN10 is not going to be happy if anyone other than Mona makes it in as a WarioWare newcomer!

I forgot about her...I guess she's my most wanted now

it's hard when WarioWare has so many good characters (I do dislike 9-volt and 18-volt though)

 

[A Link to the Past]

Perhaps, but that's a stupid reason to keep a character out of Smash. Rosalina gets in, and Diddy Kong got in. Wario could have had as unique a platform game moveset as Rosalina could have.

 

[Berordn]

Perhaps, but that's a stupid reason to keep a character out of Smash. Rosalina gets in, and Diddy Kong got in. Wario could have had as unique a platform game moveset as Rosalina could have.

But Rosalina's just as manufactured a moveset as Wario. It's got virtually nothing to do with any in-game depiction of her character.

 

[rawktapus]

"Do it as Wario-Man" sounds quite like another way to say "find a workaround to fix Sakurai's bias!"

Also, when using Wario-Man's Shoulder Charge, can I jump during it? Do I bounce off opponents when I make impact? People can cite stuff like "Mario's tornados don't work as they should", but that doessn't exactly relate when Mario's signature Fireball move is painstakingly synced with how it works in his own games.

But Mario doesn't need to grab a fire flower to use it. Aaaand he doesn't lose the power after taking damage. Clearly Sakurai is biased

 

[Josephl64]

Unlike Mario, who's busy eating mushrooms and saving Peach from who knows where, Wario is all about Wario and getting his*.

*See Wario Land Shake It ending.

Even though Wario isn't the type of guy you would hang out with, I do like how he knows what he wants and he'll do what he has to in order to get it.

Waluigi is just there...for no reason

 

[Captainbojanglesiii]

Boo. Ashley is the worst Warioware member.

Should have been Jimmy T or Mona instead.

Jimmy T brings the funk
Mona scoots into battle

 

[MrSaturn99]

Wario Land has been a series for like, 12 years by the time Brawl came out. There were five games he could have taken content from. DOZENS of characters he could have taken content from.

i didn't know sakurai hated yoshi's island too

 

[Spinosaurus]

"Do it as Wario-Man" sounds quite like another way to say "find a workaround to fix Sakurai's bias!"

Also, when using Wario-Man's Shoulder Charge, can I jump during it? Do I bounce off opponents when I make impact? People can cite stuff like "Mario's tornados don't work as they should", but that doessn't exactly relate when Mario's signature Fireball move is painstakingly synced with how it works in his own games.

Relax, I was just messing.

Design a suitable Shoulder Bash as a special that works with Brawl Wario's defensive aerial design. The PM team had to change his whole playstyle for that.
All his current specials complement his playstyle.

 

[Chase17]

This was probably one of my favorite SSE cutscenes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjqAzqqAvaY

Spoiler

Captain Falcon has no fear of collateral damage

 

[BassForever]

Mona would bring her A game to her reveal trailer for next gen smash