The time they wasted on Lucina/Dark Pit could have been used to make more interesting clones of other characters like Dark Samus. IMO
Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread 14: Snake... had a hard life
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IntelliHeath
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I can't really argued with that but I still think Palutena and Dark Pit are more likely to get in Smash 4 even it "were created by different creator because Dark Pit is just last minute addition to the roster to padding up the numbers since Dark Pit was originally to be Pit's alt, along with Lucina being Marth's and Dr. Mario being Mario. But again, they could have went for Alph, which rumored to be Olimar's alt.
All's hearsay anyway.
Karsticles
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Funny thought: Bowser may have been altered more than Ganondorf in this game.
BassForever
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Hard to tell as there isn't much footage of 1 human and 3 ai on high difficulty. That was my biggest complaint about Brawl was that 3 level 9 ai in a free for all might as well have been a 3 on 1 because they all aggressively went after you
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
I wouldn't take it as aimed at modern religion or anything...Kid Icarus Uprising, despite its really, really loose view of Greek Mythology, actually totally nailed one aspect of it---the Gods in those stories are continuously shown to be just as human as, well, humans, and often a lot worse.
They still fell victim to the popular idea of depicting Hades as a devil-like figure like Disney when he was one of the nicer Gods (although of course he did some shit too).
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
Sakurai loves taking this route with villains. Fuck he even started doing it with (Are Brawl SSE spoilers still a thing?)
Master Hand in Brawl. With him fighting back against Tabuu. Hell, he did it with ALL of the villains in Brawl. Even fucking Ganondorf.
EDIT: NVM the Medusa thing was taken out of context.
The Bankslammer
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dark pit is fun because instead of being hailed as cool and mysterious in-universe everyone laughs at him for being a trope
if that can be properly captured in smash that would be rad
if that can be properly captured in smash that would be rad
Beelzebufo
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Actually, I wanted to bring this up. That old text leak was basically confirmed today, and they say Dark Pit is a clone, along with Doc. I don't know if we're talking Lucina-level, Toon Link-level, or Lucas-level, but they definitely won't get all new moves.
The Captain
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Lucina is great as a character, I just wish she wasn't a pure Marth clone. Sure, she spends some time pretending to be Marth, but that doesn't mean they should be identical. It bothers me that even the taunts and idle animations (aside from the mask one) are the same as Marth. Maybe she'll be changed in the final version. Hopefully.
IntelliHeath
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Uhhh, Snake haters were very vocal about it which drown out the supporters. I adored his personality, characteristic and trap archetype moveset but we gotta to face the reality that he's not coming back. I knew that he wouldn't be in ever since Smash Direct.
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
Awaiting the helmetless Mega Man alt.
Come on, Sakurai HAS to do this, right?
Come on, Sakurai HAS to do this, right?
Jawmuncher
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Yeah I know that. I've commented on it before.
That thankfully unlike brawl newcomers this time actually appeal to me. Still hope for DLC though.
Helmetless Megaman (or Protoman!) would be alts I'd main so quickly.
I feel the same way, but I'm doubtful she'll get much change. Lets not forget she was going to be an alt costume for Marth, and the only reason she has her own slot is likely because they had some spare time to differentiate her character.
IntelliHeath
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Yeah, I noticed that so I wonder why? I really enjoyed Brawl's Ganondorf but I actually expected that Ganondorf would get revamped moveset because Bowser, Pit, Peach, Yoshi, etc did.
he was even teased in Mega Man's reveal trailer! definitely needs to happen.
MillionVolts
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For me, Lucina and Dr. Mario are interesting enough to warrant being separate characters (just barely). Dark Pit isn't.
The many people that have played FE:A but not Marth's games have more of an attachment to Lucina and she has other things going for her that some people may have a preference for like being female and having English dialogue.
Dr. Mario may be Mario in a lab coat, but he represents a series that's completely separate from the mainline Super Mario games. He's a cool addition for fans of the Dr. Mario games.
Dark Pit... I just don't see what you can get out of him that you can't already from Pit. Even if we're just talking clones, I would've much rather had Toon Zelda. Or even Alph if that rumor of him being an alt is true.
The many people that have played FE:A but not Marth's games have more of an attachment to Lucina and she has other things going for her that some people may have a preference for like being female and having English dialogue.
Dr. Mario may be Mario in a lab coat, but he represents a series that's completely separate from the mainline Super Mario games. He's a cool addition for fans of the Dr. Mario games.
Dark Pit... I just don't see what you can get out of him that you can't already from Pit. Even if we're just talking clones, I would've much rather had Toon Zelda. Or even Alph if that rumor of him being an alt is true.
I guess in the original SSB and SSBM, a big part of the appeal for me was playing matches and then the surprise of suddenly encountering a heretofore unseen newcomer. It can be neat playing against them for the first time, seeing their moves in action in a match. Seeing it unfold online in a match already might take away from that feeling a bit. I imagine something similar happened with Brawl.
Anyone know about this re: stages, will we be able to play stages online that we haven't unlocked ourselves?
Hahaha!
Beelzebufo
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Maybe because Ganondorf is Sakurai's Brawl main (right? Or Melee?) and he doesn't want to lose his favorite character haha.
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
Since Dark Samus is both an AT and an Alt Color, think Sonic will have a Shadow-style alt?
You know, black fur, red highlights, maybe change the shoes?
You know, black fur, red highlights, maybe change the shoes?
IntelliHeath
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Yeah, I could see that happening but I'm not getting my hope high tho.
SkullHydra
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Ouch.
Aaaaaaaaand I missed an awesome update! =O So amazing!woah it's up y'all
8 alt colors for everyone
"Pic of the day. Until now, you were only able to choose from four, or sometimes five or six colors for each character. This time, though, all characters have eight colors to choose from! The first four color schemes for Samus are based off her Varia Suit, Fusion Suit, Gravity Suit from Super Metroid, and the Dark Suit."
" And here she is in the color schemes of the Gravity Suit from Metroid Prime, Green Samus (a regular in the Smash series), the Light Suit, and Dark Samus. A total of eight colors."
Sure. I kind of think they have to do this now. Metal Sonic, too!
Peach got revamped? I thought she just got effects.
Anyways, I'm guessing it's because Bowser and Yoshi have historically been crappy in the series, while Ganondorf's pretty damn good in Melee. So if they wanted to make Ganondorf better, they have something to draw from, but with Bowser and Yoshi, they needed to revamp them some.
Pit I'm guessing just got revamped a bit due to Uprising.
OmegaSmash
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I'd be OK with all the Uprising stuff in Smash 4 if it meant that Nintendo would actually continue the franchise beyond just KIU.
If not, then yeah I'd be willing to say that Sakurai has a lot of bias towards Uprising. Menus and gameplay systems are fine, hell even Palutena and 2 stages for each Smash is all good, but all the items, Smash Run enemies, already having 2 Assist Trophies and Dark Pit seriously make me question it. Why put in so much stuff if the Kid Icarus series won't go on after the last one?
If not, then yeah I'd be willing to say that Sakurai has a lot of bias towards Uprising. Menus and gameplay systems are fine, hell even Palutena and 2 stages for each Smash is all good, but all the items, Smash Run enemies, already having 2 Assist Trophies and Dark Pit seriously make me question it. Why put in so much stuff if the Kid Icarus series won't go on after the last one?
It's similar, but using synthesised instruments instead of a live orchestra like in KIU. I can't judge until I've heard the full track, but recreating the original piece in inferior quality doesn't seem like a good decision.
IntelliHeath
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I'm not sure about that since fans twisted the fact around because he only used Ganondorf on television show against someone. He could pick Ganondorf because he know that character is terribly bad. There is no source that Sakurai claimed that Ganondorf is his main.
I'd say they take away from themselves. Imagine if Ganondorf wasn't in Melee, but was instead added in Brawl. He would probably be a much better character.
EDIT: All of Samus's alts are based on Other M? That really sucks.
ShockingAlberto
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I am sad we already used "Against all odds, we choose to hype" because "Against all odds, we choose to be disappointed" would be great these days
If I had to guess, it's because the series won't go on after the last one. If it's going to stagnate for the next 20 years, he might as well put in as much as he can now.
If Dark Pit had a unique moveset, I'd hate his inclusion even more. If he's a clone or Brawl's Pit, then he's still a dumb inclusion, but at least bearable and a bit understandable. So either way, I'm not gonna like him.
I have to have someone to take my rage out on after seemingly losing two of my favorite characters to play in Smash. Imma keep punchin his face.
Beelzebufo
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For people who missed it (like I did), we also got the rest of Villagers alts today. Sleepy eyes!
Also, people should be mad because Lucina gets her own character, but Alph is stuck as an alt. Where are the rock Pikmin?
Also, people should be mad because Lucina gets her own character, but Alph is stuck as an alt. Where are the rock Pikmin?
Captainbojanglesiii
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That would be awesome.
Dark Pit is great in KI:U because while Pit is innocent and gets harassed verbally constantly by anyone, Dark Pit is all gloom, sarcastic and is a free spirit that does not support any group in particular. He can be your enemy, then your ally, then after being absent for several chapters he appears out of nowhere and beats a boss for you, rescues you with the Lightning Chariot and isn't phazed by the bad guys banter like Pit does.
And as someone said, the game makes fun of him for being Pit's dark side, like Hades in "our hero is looking a little goth today", or when he's called Pittoo, and reacts against that, but near the end he accepts what he is.
And as someone said, the game makes fun of him for being Pit's dark side, like Hades in "our hero is looking a little goth today", or when he's called Pittoo, and reacts against that, but near the end he accepts what he is.
BassForever
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Doesn't he say in Japanese Ganondorf is his favorite character?
WonderRade
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Did you play Kid Icarus Uprising? I ask because I am curious.
Out of the 3 I think its crazy Dark Pit gets the most flak because he has the most moveset variation potential by far.
If I had to guess though, he gets flak for 2 things, being a clone and being a "dark version" of a character. Although as mentioned before he is a definite play on the two tropes, and I found him fairly interesting.
Although I would cut all 3 fro Dark Samus, she could be sooooooooooooooooo cooooooooool. Imagine if they somehow worked in a Phazon mechanic where the more you take damage from her special moves the more susceptible you become to her other attacks. Awesome
Hispanic! At the Disco
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Hopefully we get SA-X in the next smash bros. Humanoid form only. We could use a 3rd Samu- err Metroid rep.
MannyToons
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Were you fine with Wolf? I see him being similar to that.
At least he's his own character. Dr. Mario is just Mario wearing a coat. I don't mind his inclusion either, but it's the less favorable of the two.
I would go with "Against all odds, we choose to hate"
Wolf was a unique moveset, though. If Dark Pit had that many new moves and animations, he'd be a completely unique newcomer, not a clone at all. In which case, his clause of hatred would apply.
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