Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread XV: Kübler-Ross Edition

Thought this was pretty cool
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The cuts don't really bother me that much, because my biggest fear was put to ease with the leak. I got my Robotic Operating Buddy back.

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Gonna be great to have Robot battles with him and Mega Man.
Now if only Chibi-Robo could join in.
 
He has his own icon, assuming clone corner eventually gets scattered to be next to their respective franchises yoshi would be dividing rosalina and bowser jr from the rest of the mario cast

If Clone Corner gets dispersed, maybe Mr. Dario would go where Yoshi currently is?
 
Who knows, who knows
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I barely understood the Barbara thing. The last post dismisses the first post saying that it's not different save builds as suggested, but a quick Smash Run trophy results screen, right? So instead of time-lapsing from 11 trophies to 686, the trophy count was always 686 and All-Star Mode is still not complete with the 48+Mii roster. Riiiight...?

Either way, I'm not convinced that's the final roster anyway with Shulk's weird placement and the 5th row obviously about to make room for somebody (from the previous leaked picture, not from this mockup).
 
Yoshi may have his own series and is treated as such within Smash, but he is still a core Mario character (unlike Donkey Kong and Wario) and has been for longer than Rosalina and Bowser Jr., both relative newcomers. I don't think there's much further thought put into his placement than that. His position seems very deliberate and I doubt it will change even if the clone corner was abolished or other characters were added or anything.
 
So if there is costume DLC what do you want?

We already have:
Fierce Deity Link
Wireframe AND Pink Hoody Lil' Mac
Sexist Classic Zero Suit Samus
Male Power Fantasy Swimsuit Shulk,
Male/Femal Robin
Alph Olimar


I'd like a Proto Man or Bass alt for Mega Man (though the FS might not work as well. Unless maybe you swap out the other Mega Mans for Zero, ZX Zero and like Protoman.exe or something?).

Wii U Fit Trainer has no pony tail and is IMO the sexier terrifying mannequin woman.
I also want blue lobster Toon Link.
 
It's also worth noting that Brawl sort of counts Yoshi as a Mario character in the exclusive sticker bonuses--Yoshi is always grouped together with the four main Mario characters when a sticker is exclusive for use to the Mario series. And in Melee's Adventure Mode Yoshi only appears in the Mario stage. There is precedence within Smash for him to mingle in the Mario series.
 
Yoshi may have his own series and is treated as such within Smash, but he is still a core Mario character (unlike Donkey Kong and Wario) and has been for longer than Rosalina and Bowser Jr., both relative newcomers. I don't think there's much further thought put into his placement than that. His position seems very deliberate and I doubt it will change even if the clone corner was abolished or other characters were added or anything.

This + the starting roster literally has him in the same row. It's not changing.
 
Yoshi may have his own series and is treated as such within Smash, but he is still a core Mario character (unlike Donkey Kong and Wario) and has been for longer than Rosalina and Bowser Jr., both relative newcomers. I don't think there's much further thought put into his placement than that. His position seems very deliberate and I doubt it will change even if the clone corner was abolished or other characters were added or anything.
It's still weird. Yoshi's been a core Mario character for 24 years, but this is the first time he's interrupted the "mushroom icon" Mario characters in a Smash Bros. game.
 
This is bait, right?

Are you kidding? Tell me you're kidding.

It's not supposed to be a leak. It's just a visual aid. Come on, man.

I don't think that was intended to mislead anyone, it was just to show that there are potential slots left.

Thinking about it, that leak (Ninka?) from a while back seems pretty much spot-on. Got all the hidden newcomers that we know about so far correct along with Alph being an Olimar alt. That leak also said that Snake, Ice Climbers, Lucas and Wolf were cut so it's not looking likely.

Dang i didn't pick up on that at all. That image was unclear. But I still think people holding out hope for more characters are going to be disappointed.
 
Wait, hold on. Chorus Kids isn't confirmed right? People seem extreeemely convinced. Wasn't the Chorus Kids DLC "leak" by the same guy who said Wolf? And that probably isn't happening.
 
That's not true at all. Bowser Jr. shouldn't be after Rosalina, and Jigglypuff shouldn't be between Lucario and Greninja.

This is true. But Bowser Jr and the Koopalings, collectively, are supposed to represent NSMB. Which is why they're last in the Mario line despite the Koopalings appearing in SMW and Bowser Jr in Sunshine.

Jigglypuff, who has now been retconned to Fairy type, represents the Jigglypuff from XY.

I meant, it's not the soundest organizational method and it's not how any of us would do it, but there is still some consistency.

Ness doesn't really work either, since Earthbound was after F-Zero. But Mother as a whole started in 1989, which places him first.

Again, all of this is arbitrary reasoning. But it does have a readable organization.
 
This + the starting roster literally has him in the same row. It's not changing.

For some reason, I was hoping the starting roster would be the same as the original SSB starting roster. And everybody else is unlockable. That would be pretty sick.
 
So

How awful would it have been if the only newcomers were

Little Mac
Villager
Mii Brawler
Mii Swordfighter
Mii Gunner
Greninja
Rosalina & Luma
Wii Fit Trainer
Mega Man
Pac-Man
Chrom
Shulk
Chorus Kids

The thing is that lots of people initially hated the Gematsu leak
besides no K.Rool and Ridley
because they thought that these were the only newcomers despite being "leaked" at different times and the "leaker" never saying that in the first place.
 
It's still weird. Yoshi's been a core Mario character for 24 years, but this is the first time he's interrupted the "mushroom icon" Mario characters in a Smash Bros. game.
It's weird, but there really haven't been extended Mario family characters like Rosalina and Bowser Jr. in Smash before (save Dr. Mario in Melee, and the clones in that had very specific positions). He hasn't really had any reason (or place) to do so before.
 
This is true. But Bowser Jr and the Koopalings, collectively, are supposed to represent NSMB. Which is why they're last in the Mario line despite the Koopalings appearing in SMW and Bowser Jr in Sunshine.

Jigglypuff, who has now been retconned to Fairy type, represents the Jigglypuff from XY.

I meant, it's not the soundest organizational method and it's not how any of us would do it, but there is still some consistency.

Ness doesn't really work either, since Earthbound was after F-Zero. But Mother as a whole started in 1989, which places him first.

Again, all of this is arbitrary reasoning. But it does have a readable organization.

And that organization also coincides with how All-Star Mode is broken up into the years the characters made their first appearance. It's really not all that weird when you consider that as well.
 
Wait, hold on. Chorus Kids isn't confirmed right? People seem extreeemely convinced. Wasn't the Chorus Kids DLC "leak" by the same guy who said Wolf? And that probably isn't happening.

Chorus Kids originally came from Sal Romano or whoever. That's why people are more hopeful about them showing up than anyone else.
 
I'm still of the belief that the leak we saw earlier is the final roster. If it really did originate from footage sent to the ESRB, why would they leave out content to be shown? I won't rule out the possibility of characters being added later as DLC, but this roster feels complete enough (and, frankly, still leaves enough holes like you might expect in a Smash roster) that I don't expect anything new or earth-shattering.

Sakurai being so trollish about Ridley makes me think that there's something going on with him beyond being "just" a stage boss, but I doubt he's a playable regular fighter. It probably has more to do with one of the Wii U exclusive modes, which is why there's been no mention of it at all lately.
 
Way back miiverse updated with a pic of the day that involved the ice climbers polar bear. It was replaced with a different pic and it faded from memory. However I did make a gif for it that's just been sitting on my hard drive until now...

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RIP Ice Climbers. That's a really good .gif though.
Is that really Ridley's spaceship? I just kind of assumed he didn't have one. Sure, flying through space with just his wings would be kind of stupid, but didn't he already do that in the beginning of Prime?
So if there is costume DLC what do you want?

We already have:
Fierce Deity Link
Wireframe AND Pink Hoody Lil' Mac
Sexist Classic Zero Suit Samus
Male Power Fantasy Swimsuit Shulk,
Male/Femal Robin
Alph Olimar

Casual/Hawaiian Mario
Mr. L
Biker Peach
Dry Bowser
Biker Rosalina
Toon Link with his pajamas
Yukata Lucina (if not in base game)
 
It's weird, but there really haven't been extended Mario family characters like Rosalina and Bowser Jr. in Smash before (save Dr. Mario in Melee, and the clones in that had very specific positions). He hasn't really had any reason (or place) to do so before.
This is an excellent point.
 
Adding Wolf, Lucas. Ice Climbers and Chorus Men to the CSS pushes the clone corner down to the bottom row, leaving exactly one spot in the bottom corner for Miis when they're enabled.

It just works a little too perfectly with those characters.

Either they're in or the CSS was designed with them in mind and they were removed, because adding those specific characters makes everything line up in a more logical manner.
 
I'm still of the belief that the leak we saw earlier is the final roster. If it really did originate from footage sent to the ESRB, why would they leave out content to be shown? I won't rule out the possibility of characters being added later as DLC, but this roster feels complete enough (and, frankly, still leaves enough holes like you might expect in a Smash roster) that I don't expect anything new or earth-shattering.

Sakurai being so trollish about Ridley makes me think that there's something going on with him beyond being "just" a stage boss, but I doubt he's a playable regular fighter. It probably has more to do with one of the Wii U exclusive modes, which is why there's been no mention of it at all lately.
Because it's not necessary to unlock everything for the footage presented to the ESRB. They aren't interested in making a comprehensive game guide, they just want to see the game in general and any parts the developers thought might be of interest to the ratings committee (Scary, violent, sexual, etc.) so they can give it an appropriate rating.

That said, Ridley's never happening. I just think there's the definite possibility of more characters.
 
Wait, hold on. Chorus Kids isn't confirmed right? People seem extreeemely convinced. Wasn't the Chorus Kids DLC "leak" by the same guy who said Wolf? And that probably isn't happening.

Have people so quickly forgotten the Gematsu leak?

After playing around, I could only form these without "breaking rows".

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What about the possibility of broken rows but character icons still connected, like the Melee Zelda crew
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And if shulk was left of the clones before, why isn't he staying that way, so it isn't as weird
In fact, whatever that question mark is, switch it with Shulk. It might even be a clone so as to make the positioning work
 
Wait - does everyone here believe in the Gematsu thing? I thought the fact that Chrom wasn't playable and the fact that he was 100% sure the trailer that revealed Lucina/Robin would show Shulk instead pretty much showed that he was wrong.
In my opinion, it was a lucky guess with Wii Fit Trainer, and everyone else (save Chorus Kids) was totally predictable.
 
So if there is costume DLC what do you want?

We already have:
Fierce Deity Link
Wireframe AND Pink Hoody Lil' Mac
Sexist Classic Zero Suit Samus
Male Power Fantasy Swimsuit Shulk,
Male/Femal Robin
Alph Olimar


I'd like a Proto Man or Bass alt for Mega Man (though the FS might not work as well. Unless maybe you swap out the other Mega Mans for Zero, ZX Zero and like Protoman.exe or something?).

Gah... I have a lot I'm hoping for.

-Strikers Outfits for everyone from those games
-Mario Party 2 Outfits (So Explorer Mario, Cowboy Yoshi, Witch Peach, etc.)
-Mario Series Suits (Ex: Hammer Bros. Mario, Frog Luigi, Boomerang Rosalina, etc., with highest priority on
Meowser
from 3D World)
-Hyrule Warriors Outfits (Nigh Mandatory on Ganondorf)
-Metal Sonic (Why?)
-Masked Dedede (Why?!)
-Ms. Pac-Man (This might also be a "why?" if we can get a solid deconfirm on her not being an alt)
-Classic Villager (With the viking-esque hats)
-Classic Donkey Kong
-Classic Fox/Falco (Not just Melee costumes, though they'd be nice. I'm talking the puppets from SNES Star Fox's box)
-Classic Sonic (This is a pipedream due to his shorter, fatter physique. If Nintendo owned the Sonic IP, I'd be down with him being a clone)
-Justin Bailey Samus
-Robot Ness
-Robin (Other faces/hairstyles)
-Medusa Palutena
-Vacation Mario (The unlockable outfit from Sunshine)
-Other Captains for Olimar (I know Alph's the only one with the exact same body shape, but at the very least, I think Louie or Brittany can fit into Olimar's suit without looking too awkward, and if wonders could be made for the President or Charlie, that'd be nice).

Also, I feel kind of guilty, but Project M had the best alts, so, like, every alt they have is something I'd want (Like Boxer DK, Shadow Queen Peach, Dry Bowser, Pajamas Ness, Classic Pit/Marth, etc.). Man, I really am a consumer whore for this kind of stuff... I got all of PSASBR's costume DLC, too, even the bad ones like Generic Spartan Soldier for Kratos!
 
I feel like we've gotten the most comprehensive look at the characters we're going to get pre-release so whether or not there's more isn't really something I'm interested in tossing over in my head anymore.

If there are, we'll find out soon. If there aren't, well, never really expected it.
 
Wait - does everyone here believe in the Gematsu thing? I thought the fact that Chrom wasn't playable and the fact that he was 100% sure the trailer that revealed Lucina/Robin would show Shulk instead pretty much showed that he was wrong.
In my opinion, it was a lucky guess with Wii Fit Trainer, and everyone else (save Chorus Kids) was totally predictable.

People talk predictability, but Villager, Pac-Man, Mega Man, Mii Fighters - before any human being, he uttered that name in public - etc. together is not predictable.

It is virtually impossible that Gematsu was fake.
 
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