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[SuperSah]

What makes little sense is that the Smash Run awards screen does not allow you to move trophy models, it only shows you what you have, and a number appears in the top right corner of the bottom screen with a present icon in green which states how much awards were accumulated in Smash Run.

Barbara thing makes little sense as none of it is in the Smash Run screen, lol.

 

[The Xtortionist]

I just find it hard to believe that there would be so much empty space left on the CSS. Melee's only had two empty slots, SSB64 and Brawl's were squared off IIRC.

edit - jesus this topic is fast

 

[The Captain]

-Justin Bailey Samus

Wouldn't this work as a color for Zero Suit Samus? Purple shorts, and green hair?
Did anyone check Zero Suit Samus' alternate colors?

 

[Mysterious]

The top left question mark is ice climbers, duh.

You know... that actually works out perfectly.

NES-only series in a row: Duck Hunt, ROB, Ice Climbers.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

Wait - does everyone here believe in the Gematsu thing? I thought the fact that Chrom wasn't playable and the fact that he was 100% sure the trailer that revealed Lucina/Robin would show Shulk instead pretty much showed that he was wrong.
In my opinion, it was a lucky guess with Wii Fit Trainer, and everyone else (save Chorus Kids) was totally predictable.

I think Gematsu was mostly right but was clearly wrong about a few things. Which, you know, people are allowed to be.

But you also have people that believe Sakurai was trying to troll people with the Robin/Lucina reveal and set up an elaborate plan to trick people in to freaking out about Japanese tweets, so there's no limit to how far people will go to make up the cognitive dissonance gaps.

 

[PadWarrior]

So wait Neo Zero claiming there are more characters?

 

[The Great Gonzales]

Wait - does everyone here believe in the Gematsu thing? I thought the fact that Chrom wasn't playable and the fact that he was 100% sure the trailer that revealed Lucina/Robin would show Shulk instead pretty much showed that he was wrong.
In my opinion, it was a lucky guess with Wii Fit Trainer, and everyone else (save Chorus Kids) was totally predictable.

90% correct = 100% wrong.

You don't get all that stuff right without some legit insider info, even if it was slightly outdated (which would explain the whole Chrom/Robin thing.)

 

[balladofwindfishes]

You know... that actually works out perfectly.

I'd cut Dixie. It's impossible for her to be a clone, so her placement doesn't work. There will probably be an empty space next to Sonic where Miis go when they're enabled. At least that's what I'm thinking will happen

 

[NotLiquid]

Random thought, but how much stake is there in the possibility that Mii Fighters could occupy the CSS if customization was turned on?

 

[The Xtortionist]

You know... that actually works out perfectly.

-Lucas

+Ridley

+Lucas alt for Ness (name change included) and option of appropriate custom moves

then we have a list

 

[Hispanic! At the Disco]

...sure. Why not.

Its too late. My avatars are already who I am at NeoGAF D:

I know you're at least amused by them! The same people respond to them / avatar quote them


On topic: people just have to accept that Ridley talk is just another part of Smash culture! Which is another reason why he could never be

 

[SenorArdilla]

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[Ryce]

Adding Wolf, Lucas. Ice Climbers and Chorus Men to the CSS pushes the clone corner down to the bottom row, leaving exactly one spot in the bottom corner for Miis when they're enabled.

It just works a little too perfectly with those characters.

Either they're in or the CSS was designed with them in mind and they were removed, because adding those specific characters makes everything line up in a more logical manner.

It works even better with Mewtwo instead of Lucas. Multi-rep series and one-rep series are both listed in chronological order independent of one another, and adding Lucas turns Mother into a multi-rep series, which breaks that "pattern."

Mario universe - 1981
Donkey Kong - 1981
Zelda - 1986
Metroid - 1986
Kid Icarus - 1986
Fire Emblem - 1990
Kirby - 1992
Star Fox - 1993
Pokémon - 1996

Game & Watch - 1980
Punch-Out!! - 1984
Duck Hunt - 1984
R.O.B. - 1985
Mother - 1989
F-Zero - 1990
Animal Crossing - 2001
Pikmin - 2001
Wii Fit - 2007
Xenoblade - 2010

Wolf and Mewtwo would make for a full Star Fox and Pokémon row, followed by a full one-rep series row.

 

[MrSaturn99]

You know... that actually works out perfectly.

NES-only series in a row: Duck Hunt, ROB, Ice Climbers.

I'd be so down with this.

 

[The Captain]

People talk predictability, but Villager, Pac-Man, Mega Man, Mii Fighters - before any human being, he uttered that name in public - etc. together is not predictable.

It is virtually impossible that Gematsu was fake.

Villager was brought up by Sakurai before.
Mega Man is easily the most requested third party character.
Pac Man was an obvious choice, since Namco Bandai was working on the game.

Not sure exactly what is meant by Mii Fighters though - did he specifically call the three different groups, or spell out that the name would be "Mii Fighters" or did he just call them Mii fighters casually which lead to people thinking he already knew the name?

 

[Kensho]

After playing around, I could only form these without "breaking rows".

No Ridley no love!

 

[MillionVolts]

I'm kinda split 50/50 on the CSS image being the final roster and there being just one character missing from it (that being Chorus Kids).

There being 8 characters on the fifth row when they could have just bumped Shulk up there certainly is suspicious, but apart from that the roster looks complete to me. All the empty spaces on the bottom row I think are being saved for DLC.

And for what it's worth, the stage select screen also looks like it's missing a stage, which could be a Rhythm Heaven stage that's unlocked along with Chorus Kids.

 

[Spinosaurus]

You know... that actually works out perfectly.

NES-only series in a row: Duck Hunt, ROB, Ice Climbers.

At the same time, you could move Duck Hunt next to ROB and put Mewtwo there instead.

 

[jph139]

The first Gematsu leak (Villager, Mega Man, Wii Fit Trainer, Mii, Little Mac, Pac-Man) was real. I don't think that can be debated. The second one (Shulk, Palutena, Chrom, Chorus Men, X/Y Pokemon) is more questionable.

Palutena wasn't a stretch, but I maintain that Shulk was a longshot, and the later details that Chrom and X/Y Pokemon would have both been on the character list early (VERY early) in development gives it some credence. Could be a lucky guess, could be outdated information.

Hopefully we get some sort of detail on the Chorus Men's status, either that they're in, they were considered, they'll be DLC, whatever. I think they're the Wii Fit Trainer of the second leak - completely out of left field character that was never considered beforehand. That'd prove or disprove it.

 

[Mysterious]

I'd cut Dixie. It's impossible for her to be a clone, so her placement doesn't work. There will probably be an empty space next to Sonic where Miis go when they're enabled. At least that's what I'm thinking will happen

Nope.

It's obvious Miis are seperated from characters. Also see: Japan Mii Smash 3DS commercial.

 

[Makai]

I'd cut Dixie. It's impossible for her to be a clone, so her placement doesn't work. There will probably be an empty space next to Sonic where Miis go when they're enabled. At least that's what I'm thinking will happen

We've already seen that they're in a separate screen.

 

[SuperSah]

Allow me to reiterate as it seems to have been ignored:

What makes little sense is that the Smash Run awards screen does not allow you to move trophy models, it only shows you what you have, and a number appears in the top right corner of the bottom screen with a present icon in green which states how much awards were accumulated in Smash Run.

Barbara thing makes little sense as none of it is in the Smash Run screen, lol.

 

[CriterionDog]

How do you select miis to play as if you can't select them from the CSS??

 

[chaosblade]

Wait - does everyone here believe in the Gematsu thing? I thought the fact that Chrom wasn't playable and the fact that he was 100% sure the trailer that revealed Lucina/Robin would show Shulk instead pretty much showed that he was wrong.
In my opinion, it was a lucky guess with Wii Fit Trainer, and everyone else (save Chorus Kids) was totally predictable.

I think a lot of people do, at least to an extent. There are a lot of theories/excuses for why there were a couple misses. Swapped trailer theory, Chrom cut theory, multipart rumor theory with the second part of the rumor being fake/old info, etc.

 

[A Link to the Past]

Villager was brought up by Sakurai before.
Mega Man is easily the most requested third party character.
Pac Man was an obvious choice, since Namco Bandai was working on the game.

Not sure exactly what is meant by Mii Fighters though - did he specifically call the three different groups, or spell out that the name would be "Mii Fighters" or did he just call them Mii fighters casually which lead to people thinking he already knew the name?

1. Sakurai brought up Villager for the purposes of saying "he doesn't fit into Smash".

2. He called them Mii Fighters, capitalized

 

[Ryce]

Villager was brought up by Sakurai before.

Yeah, as not being suited for Smash Bros. That clearly makes it an easy guess.

Not sure exactly what is meant by Mii Fighters though

Gematsu specifically said "Mii Fighter" would be playable, and that's exactly what the character is called in Smash Bros. Prior to the leak, nobody on the Internet said "Mii Fighter"... ever.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

It works even better with Mewtwo instead of Lucas. Multi-rep series and one-rep series are both listed in chronological order independent of one another, and adding Lucas turns Mother into a multi-rep series, which breaks that "pattern."

Mario universe - 1981
Donkey Kong - 1981
Zelda - 1986
Metroid - 1986
Kid Icarus - 1986
Fire Emblem - 1990
Kirby - 1992
Star Fox - 1993
Pokémon - 1996

Game & Watch - 1980
Punch-Out!! - 1984
Duck Hunt - 1984
R.O.B. - 1985
Mother - 1989
F-Zero - 1990
Animal Crossing - 2001
Pikmin - 2001
Wii Fit - 2007
Xenoblade - 2010

Wolf and Mewtwo would make for a full Star Fox and Pokémon row, followed by a full one-rep series row.

Yea, I did notice that Mewtwo can fit perfectly into the roster without messing stuff up. In fact, adding Mewtwo makes everything line up better.

Your idea leaves room for Ice Climbers and Chorus Men too.

Nope.

It's obvious Miis are seperated from characters. Also see: Japan Mii Smash 3DS commercial.

This is the customization menu. It's not where you select Miis from.

 

[MrSaturn99]

Allow me to reiterate as it seems to have been ignored:

Hmmm, good point.

 

[SenorArdilla]

How do you select miis to play as if you can't select them from the CSS??

The Mii Fighter icon replaces the Random icon when you turn on Customizations.

 

[The Captain]

90% correct = 100% wrong.

You don't get all that stuff right without some legit insider info, even if it was slightly outdated (which would explain the whole Chrom/Robin thing.)

Well the only information that I think genuinely points to the leaker's credibility is the presence of Wii Fit Trainer.

It's not so much the fact that Chrom wasn't playable (the guy could've seen the Final Smash model and misinterpreted it), but that he was 100% sure that the trailer would show off Shulk that makes him wrong.

 

[Karsticles]

Villager was brought up by Sakurai before.
Mega Man is easily the most requested third party character.
Pac Man was an obvious choice, since Namco Bandai was working on the game.

Not sure exactly what is meant by Mii Fighters though - did he specifically call the three different groups, or spell out that the name would be "Mii Fighters" or did he just call them Mii fighters casually which lead to people thinking he already knew the name?

You should look up this word called "hindsight".

 

[Pikma]

Its too late. My avatars are already who I am at NeoGAF D:

I know you're at least amused by them! The same people respond to them / avatar quote them


On topic: people just have to accept that Ridley talk is just another part of Smash culture! Which is another reason why he could never be

What the fuck? What's wrong with your avatar tastes?

 

[MrSaturn99]

I knew Sakurai would change his mind on the Villager concept, but there's no way you just guess Wii Fit Trainer.

 

[Hyperactivity]

People talk predictability, but Villager, Pac-Man, Mega Man, Mii Fighters - before any human being, he uttered that name in public - etc. together is not predictable.

It is virtually impossible that Gematsu was fake.

Hell, the specific names, Wii Fit Trainer, Mii Fighters, and Villager weren't even said that much when talking about the characters

Nobody talked about WFT at all, and everyone said Miis

Sakurai had also mentioned that before there was Greninja they had just decided on a pokemon from x/y, and that Lucina was originally an alt iirc, leading to the likelihood that Chrom at one point was there over Lucina

So basically we've been able to pinpoint it down to two possibilities

Gematsu leak 1 was real, 2 was fake

Gematsu leaks came from an early stage in development

No one is questioning the 1st one anymore
I personally believe the 2nd possibility, and believe Chorus Men are in

 

[CriterionDog]

The Mii Fighter icon replaces the Random icon when you turn on Customizations.

Awesome! Where did that info come from? Lol

 

[Mysterious]

At the same time, you could move Duck Hunt next to ROB and put Mewtwo there instead.

Yup that works too. xD

No Ridley no love!

I want him in as much as you do, but he just won't fit into the CSS (unless he's a clone), unless characters actually jump around positions (not shifting), which is unprecedented.

 

[WiiRevolution1]

Also based on this CSS, you can't add Dixie without breaking the Metroid row. If you add Dixie and Impa, you break the Kirby row. If you add Dixie, Impa and Ridley, you still break Kirby. If you add Dixie, Impa, Ridley and a single rep series character or another Kid Icarus/Metroid/Fire Emblem character, you move Kirby to the next row fully but break Pokemon. If you add Dixie (Diddy clone), Impa (Sheik clone) and Ridley (Charizard clone) to the clone corner, it would make Shulk (an original character) move randomly in between clones for no apparent reason.

Seriously guys. The ESRB roster is the final one. The reason why the blank space exists is because there is noone else to fill it. The reason why the bottom row isn't all third parties is because Sakurai went with an upside down pyramid. (Tho he should've just had a very wide random button imo.) The reason why there is a clone corner is pissing me off.

 

[rekameohs]

The Mii Fighter icon replaces the Random icon when you turn on Customizations.

I would not like that at all. I'm hoping they're an icon that just goes away when customizations are off. So there would be 4 remaining characters, not 5.

 

[RagnarokX]

RIP Ice Climbers. That's a really good .gif though.
Is that really Ridley's spaceship? I just kind of assumed he didn't have one. Sure, flying through space with just his wings would be kind of stupid, but didn't he already do that in the beginning of Prime?

Yes, that's Ridley's spaceship from Zero Mission. There is a cutscene where he is sitting in the bridge of the ship and responds to a distress call from Zebes by turning his ship around and flying back to the planet. The ship and the ruins it lands on top of are the final level of Zero Mission. He built a giant robot version of himself to run the ship while he was gone.

Check out the Space Pirate Logo on their ships:

Ridley's one vainglorious leader.

Ridley was also shown flying through space without a ship in Super Metroid.

 

[Hatchtag]

Well the only information that I think genuinely points to the leaker's credibility is the presence of Wii Fit Trainer.

It's not so much the fact that Chrom wasn't playable (the guy could've seen the Final Smash model and misinterpreted it), but that he was 100% sure that the trailer would show off Shulk that makes him wrong.

He knew the Wii Fit Trainer, was right on all characters but Chrom (who appears enough with Robin that the confusion isn't too hard to buy) and Chrorus Men, who seemed to have been considered at least. The Shulk trailer was also the first trailer after Robin, making it believable that the Shulk trailer might've been changed last minute or something.
Also, not only did he know Wii Fit Trainer by name, but he also swapped Miis to Mii Fighters, shortly before the E3 Direct.

 

[GameGuru59]

let me Google Reverse Image Search that for you

http://www.redbubble.com/people/kin...all-things-smash?p=canvas-print&ref=shop_grid

Here's the source. It was made for Brawl though. Needs an update...

 

[NotLiquid]

The Mii Fighter icon replaces the Random icon when you turn on Customizations.

Source for that?

 

[Kensho]

I think a lot of people do, at least to an extent. There are a lot of theories/excuses for why there were a couple misses. Swapped trailer theory, Chrom cut theory, multipart rumor theory with the second part of the rumor being fake/old info, etc.

Gematsu will be bull**** until chorus kids are shown playable. Every other thing he said was wrong/could be predicted. There are thousands of predictions out there and his could've been the one right out of millions.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Seriously guys. The ESRB roster is the final one. The reason why the blank space exists is because there is noone else to fill it. The reason why the bottom row isn't all third parties is because Sakurai went with an upside down pyramid. (Tho he should've just had a very wide random button imo.) The reason why there is a clone corner is pissing me off.

You can divide 49 slots up so that it makes a perfect 7x7 square, the upside pyramid is pointless and ugly. It's not conclusive of r roster being complete at all. Brawl's roster was an upside pyramid of sorts without everyone unlocked as well.

 

[georly]

I'd cut Dixie. It's impossible for her to be a clone, so her placement doesn't work. There will probably be an empty space next to Sonic where Miis go when they're enabled. At least that's what I'm thinking will happen

You say it's impossible for dixie to be a diddy clone, I say it's impossible for ganondorf to be a captain falcon clone, yet here we are.

 

[SuperSah]

The Mii Fighter icon replaces the Random icon when you turn on Customizations.

Awesome! Where did that info come from? Lol

Rubbish. People from the JP event confirmed turning customisation on did NOT add Miis.

 

[Hyperactivity]

Villager was brought up by Sakurai before.
Mega Man is easily the most requested third party character.
Pac Man was an obvious choice, since Namco Bandai was working on the game.

Not sure exactly what is meant by Mii Fighters though - did he specifically call the three different groups, or spell out that the name would be "Mii Fighters" or did he just call them Mii fighters casually which lead to people thinking he already knew the name?

Villager was mentioned by Sakurai as an example of a character he was against putting in smash as a playable character due to the nature of his game, along with Nintendog

And yes, he specifically said Mii Fighters in the 3rd email just before E3, and may or may not have said it (don't remember right now) in the neogaf post the day before the E3 2013 ND

 

[El Sloth]

Why's it "Wario & Game" then?

Japanese read right to left. So it'd be Game & Wario!

 

[MisterHero]

Nintendo should make a Game & Watch Gallery 5, but with more than just Mario characters

I was gonna mention they should remake the Game & Watch Zelda game but it's already in G&W Collection 4.

And bring back Popeye and Mickey too

 

[Ryce]

Nope.

Uh, that's the character customization menu from within the Games & More option. Why does everyone act like it's some kind of pre-select screen menu?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9a8Kz0wcJwk&t=3m35s

That screen has nothing to do with how Miis are selected.