Bungie speaks out on Destiny review delay.

I have this game pre-ordered, and I should be getting it tomorrow... but I wasn't too impressed with the alpha. I hope it's made some improvements since then (didn't play the beta).
 
Reviews don't matter if you have played the Beta, and considering that over 3M people played the beta, I don't think that anyone will be too mad about this.

Destiny isn't the type of game that should be given a score after a few hours of play time either. You need time to go through the progression ranks to get stronger, challenge yourself, and take on some of Destiny's harder activities such as raids or nightfall activities.
 
But how multiplayer is it? It seems to be more akin to Diablo 2 with some group quests than a fully fledged MMO. It doesn't have the same social output as a game like WoW or SWTOR. Unless the game hinges on you needing constant groups, trading, battle grounds, etc. (and I mean a good chunk of the time is this) then there is no reason for them not to allow reviews. Destiny is easily a single player game in the same respect Diablo 3 is.

Gotta weigh whatcha got.

I suppose there is some truth there. My experience with the alpha/beta was that you could do story and free roam on your own with no big deal. That being said, it was more enjoyable in a group, whether that was just random people coming together to fight some huge walker or a pre-organized group doing specific goals. And most of the events that would occur in Old Russia required a few people at least in the area. The (seemingly) biggest draws from both PVE and PVP require at least some people.
 
I have this game pre-ordered, and I should be getting it tomorrow... but I wasn't too impressed with the alpha. I hope it's made some improvements since then (didn't play the beta).

why pre order it then?

if i wasn´t impressed with a game i wouldn´t go and pre order it...

wait for reviews and comments in this forum and then buy it later on. but thats just me.
 
You shouldn't need a review for a title that had a playable beta. You get a taste of what you get and then you go off of brand and legacy of the developer to ensure you are not going off of bugged software alone.

The game will be good. Buy it.

I think this is a dangerous line of thinking. Having a playable section of the game is great, but it doesn't speak to the entire experience. If a game's singleplayer goes tits-up in the second half, I'd want to know that before I buy. Betas are great, but ultimately they're still promotional material - and should be treated with the same level of skepticism.
 
Doesn't address the fact that the "crucial component of our living, social world" might need to see some reviews before becoming such. Whatever spin they want to put on it it's just more shady tactics from this, one of the shadiest of industries.
 
You shouldn't need a review for a title that had a playable beta. You get a taste of what you get and then you go off of brand and legacy of the developer to ensure you are not going off of bugged software alone.

The game will be good. Buy it.

Very good point ... no! Spin doctor at work?

There is a obvious reason why Bungie wants no reviews before launch. Almost all games with such a review delay are not as good as the hype.
 
Doesn't address the fact that the "crucial component of our living, social world" might need to see some reviews before becoming such. Whatever spin they want to put on it it's just more shady tactics from this, one of the shadiest of industries.
What?

Are we now criticizing a game that isn't out yet?

Edit: Wow, some of the comments in this thread. Nobody cared about this game before the alpha released. People played that, and suddenly the hype was here, and now we've almost got an OT2 before the game's release. But no. Because Bungie wants reviews to be more realistic based on the actual game they wanted to create, it must be a conspiracy. Don't pre-order the game then if you're that suspicious of the developers behind the Halo series.

Also, don't pick up any MMOs or various other large games that cannot be accurately reviewed within the time between critics receiving a review copy and the game's release.
 
This doesn't really seem like a game that needs reviews. We more or less know what it is and at this point I doubt a review will be altering any purchases unless there's some kind of disaster with it.

Doesn't address the fact that the "crucial component of our living, social world" might need to see some reviews before becoming such. Whatever spin they want to put on it it's just more shady tactics from this, one of the shadiest of industries.

Get out your bubble. Gaming industry is rainbows and butterflies compared to what else is out there. And their explanation is perfect;y reasonable.
 
Personally, while I think it's irritating (unanswered questions like the amount of content in the base game don't need a massive player base to be assesed.) - ultimately it's Bungie's call on how they want their game to be judged.

While I agree with the first part of your statement and feel that criticism of online-oriented/expandable games is a complicated issue that may never be solved to satisfaction, I would disagree with your last statement and say that ultimately it's the consumers' call on how they want games to be judged. Publishers and developers and journalists can all have a say and an idea of how to deliver what's desired, but if it doesn't help the buyers (unless you're talking post-experience satisfaction assessment, which seems silly to me but then again I read a lot of TV reviews,) what is the point of a review?
 
I preordered and preloaded cuz I had a few hours of fun with the Alpha, and figured that the full game will likely gimme enough fun to justify the price tag.

My expectations are in check though- I don't expect the game to be brimming with content. I hope to get 8-12 fun hours out of the 'story' mode, and if there's decent endgame content, hey, great!

I think it's fine that they're releasing it as it. I'd prefer that to them quarantining a bunch of journalists into a hotel room and getting them to play the game for two days before rushing out their reviews. I think they feel the game is gonna do well regardless, good on them!
 
Get out your bubble. Gaming industry is rainbows and butterflies compared to what else is out there. And their explanation is perfect;y reasonable.
Nah. The gaming industry is the most evil in the world because developers won't allow critics play their games before launch in order to allow them to accurately review the game they wanted to create in the long run.

And even if those critics received the game earlier, if the reviews are too good, the critics must have been paid off. Because based on my assessment of the game's beta, it must be a terrible game, and anybody who thinks differently is a part of what makes the video game industry the most shady in the world.
 
Doesn't address the fact that the "crucial component of our living, social world" might need to see some reviews before becoming such. Whatever spin they want to put on it it's just more shady tactics from this, one of the shadiest of industries.

It's not that shady for Bungie to assume they've built up a sizeable and loyal fanbase from that little Halo game they made a couple years back.

If we're basing our purchases on faith, then why do we even need a beta?

I dunno, to test the game? The purpose of the beta?
 
If you played the Beta then IMO you know if the game floats your boat or not. Personally I put more time into the Beta than I have with several full game releases. I don't need a review to tell me this game is something special. For those that do really need someone else to validate their purchase for them then surely waiting isn't that big a deal?
 
I guess if this thread lures all the skeptics out of the OT, then I'm fine with that.

I thought they don't even have random matchmaking? So what difference does it make?
Did you play Destiny during the beta? It's an always-online title that throws you in with random players, kind of like Journey did. As you're wandering around in explore mode, public events and other various things become available that seamlessly bring other players in the game to play with you.

Are you talking about matchmaking for raids? That's the only portion of the game you need to build your own group for.
 
The alpha was great, the beta was great, it makes no sense to expect the final release to suck.

I'm going to a midnight release as soon as I get off from work :)
 
I thought they don't even have random matchmaking? So what difference does it make?

There's matchmaking for strikes (3-player dungeons) and PvP. Also, the free-roam mode and certain parts of story missions have you sharing the game world with other players, and there are some group events associated with that.
 
I've played the alpha and beta so couldn't give a fuck what a reviews 10cents could make. Roll on my white ps4 getting delivered tomorrow. BALLIN
 
Unless there is something hidden away they've not talked about, but we already know what the multiplayer part of the game is and how it plays.
 
I do need reviews, I played the beta.

PATIENCE.jpg

'I only played 5 missions, I don't need a review'.

5 awesome missions.
 
All this does is make the reviews that come out more absolute.

Letting sites review early would at least give Bungie a reason to discredit them, if they were really negative reviews.

But since they'll be reviewed on Bungie's terms, Bungie won't have much to argue about when the reviews do come out.
 
If we're basing our purchases on faith, then why do we even need a beta?
Admittedly, I only put an hour or two into the alpha, and it felt pretty barren. I have faith that all of the praise GAF gave it means I just wasn't seeing something they were. Either way, I'm sure I will find some enjoyment with more people on the servers.
 
What?

Are we now criticizing a game that isn't out yet?

Edit: Wow, some of the comments in this thread. Nobody cared about this game before the alpha released. People played that, and suddenly the hype was here, and now we've almost got an OT2 before the game's release. But no. Because Bungie wants reviews to be more realistic based on the actual game they wanted to create, it must be a conspiracy. Don't pre-order the game then if you're that suspicious of the developers behind the Halo series.

Also, don't pick up any MMOs or various other large games that cannot be accurately reviewed within the time between critics receiving a review copy and the game's release.

I never criticised the game. My comments were regarding Bungie's business practices. That is the thread topic after all.
 
I don't see how an embargo on this game's review would change anything for this game anyway. Half the world already has it pre-ordered, so it could get a metacritic of 34 and still turn up profits :D
 
That's an awful excuse. It had a playable beta. The only thing that couldn't be reviewed properly are raids. Everything else could be reviewed just fine prior to release, as it's closer to a diablo/PSO style small group game than anything.
 
And even if those critics received the game earlier, if the reviews are too good, the critics must have been paid off. Because based on my assessment of the game's beta, it must be a terrible game, and anybody who thinks differently is a part of what makes the video game industry the most shady in the world.

Guys, don't have a different opinion than Conkerkid. If you do you're part of the SHADIEST INDUSTRY IN THE WORLD!
 
Kind of a bullshit response to be honest, you don't need the servers 100% packed to get what Destiny is about. So what, you won't have people randomly join your game sometimes... that's all I can think of this impacting.

If it bothers you that much, that Bungie wants their game reviewed under optimal circumstances, then wait it out.

Last I checked you were allowed to buy a game way past launch date.
 
Did they raise the player quantity cap in zones?

What is the reasoning behind needing full servers to make a informed opinion when there is such a small quantity players per zone?

Did they open up communications with randoms, is it still strike team only?
 
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