I could run the ps2 version on the ps2 I still have.
Why haven't you bought a PC yet?
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Chairmanchuck
Member
Why not? He means that he wouldnt have paid 50-60$ for it on console and would have waited 1 year for the price to drop to buy it used.
In one case the publishers still get money, in the other case they dont.
derExperte
Member
I think they're working on bringing over the Windows 8 store versions of SA and VC to Steam including better controller support (and some removed songs).
Gumbie
Member
I edited my other post, but the why not? is because I like to support good PC developers. If it means paying $40-$50 in my region rather than buy a key for $18 then so be it. It's a slippery slope to say "Oh well I wouldn't have bought it if I couldn't get it for $18"
Atraveller
Banned
People were complaining about the performance consoles, the generation was too long, and the tech was old.
And about that comparison, you simply can't ask an all-purpose machine to have the value of a device designed solely for gaming.
CosmicGroinPull
Member
It's just not worth it for the occasional multiplat title that I want to play at its best, to invest on a high spec machine and place it in my living room.
I would then need one machine for por-- ahem work, and another for big screen gaming. Why? Just so I can play console seconds (those are the games that I like) at ultra settings? No thanks.
I would then need one machine for por-- ahem work, and another for big screen gaming. Why? Just so I can play console seconds (those are the games that I like) at ultra settings? No thanks.
Chairmanchuck
Member
But a lot people arent like you. I would have waited 1 year to get Game XYZ for 20$. There are a lot of console-gamers too that can only justify spending 20$ for a Game.
And dont tell me they wouldnt do it if they had the chance. Come on. Here on GAF console-gamers often post pricing-errors and the likes.
Remember getting AC3 free if you log into the chinese Xbox Marketplace?
What if you can save on the games? And not having to pay for playing online?
Canis lupus
Member
No you asked me a silly question that had nothing to do with the rebuttal I presented and tried to steer the discussion to a different direction. Seeing obnoxious fanboys talk crap has no bearing on the enjoyment of my games. Why are you still asking me for examples, I told you it's banned here although some try to do it subtle and indirectly. Go outside Gaf and you'll find plenty. The fact there are people complaining about it should tell you the elitism really exists and is not fiction. It's no surprise the master race crap reached it's peak when the next gen consoles came out and you also see it on the otherwise very informative Linus' Tech tips youtube channel now that the other guy is co hosting his show.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYG-7T2LVDc
MrNyarlathotep
Banned
"Where are all these exclusives I should care about? Please note I am going to disregard exclusives because reasons."
Nice argument Protagoras
Stallion Dan
Member
This isn't selling me on PC co-op. More console versions of games feature it.
The1stOfHisName
Member
Cash money, or lack thereof.
I miss PC gaming (particularly mods and user created content), and I spent a huge chunk of time between 1999-2004 playing games like AEO, Ultima, Unreal Tournament, Counterstrike etc. Since then though, real life has always gotten in the way. Moving away from home, going to Uni, graduating, getting married and having a kid has always meant that I lack the time, space or money to properly get back into it.
Ideally, I'd like to save up the cash for a decent machine I can hook up to the TV, but realistically this isn't going to happen until at least next summer. I could tote up everything I've spent over the past couple of years and realise I should have done so to begin with, but that would just make me sad.
Still, my PS4 keeps me happy.
I miss PC gaming (particularly mods and user created content), and I spent a huge chunk of time between 1999-2004 playing games like AEO, Ultima, Unreal Tournament, Counterstrike etc. Since then though, real life has always gotten in the way. Moving away from home, going to Uni, graduating, getting married and having a kid has always meant that I lack the time, space or money to properly get back into it.
Ideally, I'd like to save up the cash for a decent machine I can hook up to the TV, but realistically this isn't going to happen until at least next summer. I could tote up everything I've spent over the past couple of years and realise I should have done so to begin with, but that would just make me sad.
Still, my PS4 keeps me happy.
DeadManWalking
Member
Stop teaching people what they should do.
Sanctuary
Member
I already pretty much said this in my first post in this topic. PC gaming isn't as cheap as some say compared to console gaming for the increased performance. For a real increase, you end up spending close to triple the cost (on average) of a console. And that's just for a bare bones system that will do 1440p/60fps on most games. It's not cheap, but you also don't have to chase upgrades if you already spent the cash upfront for a system that demolishes what a console can do (for the next 4+ years).
If you buy 20+ games a year, you might start saving money over the course of a few years with PC deals, but I don't know that many people that actually buy, and finish that many games every single year.
Gipsy Danger
Member
Who's doing that?
A PC and monitor capable of 1440p is hardly bare bones. I already stated that it is more expensive, but you pay a premium price for a premium service. My PC cost a little under 2.5x the cost of my PS4 about 2-3 years ago and it still runs games on high-ultra at 1080p/60fps. And if you play online games then you're saving is a further £30-£40 a year.
Atraveller
Banned
The irony!
1.) Most of my friends play on console. so that's by far the biggest reason.
2.) Multiplayer parity (same fps/controller etc) and less hacking, crysis 2 MP was ruined on the pc which led to me playing it the inferior console version more.
3.) Convenience - Pressing a button on my controller and having it boot up directly to my list of games and console UI is nice. I much prefer the PS3/4 UI to steams as well, which desperately needs an update. Big picture is nice though.
4.) Local co op - I live in a student house share with friends so local co op is pretty big for me.
I do actually have a PC and a Laptop that can play anything last gen at 720P/60FPS but I only use it for exclusives.. well.. civ
2.) Multiplayer parity (same fps/controller etc) and less hacking, crysis 2 MP was ruined on the pc which led to me playing it the inferior console version more.
3.) Convenience - Pressing a button on my controller and having it boot up directly to my list of games and console UI is nice. I much prefer the PS3/4 UI to steams as well, which desperately needs an update. Big picture is nice though.
4.) Local co op - I live in a student house share with friends so local co op is pretty big for me.
I do actually have a PC and a Laptop that can play anything last gen at 720P/60FPS but I only use it for exclusives.. well.. civ
You didn't say consoles have it better. You said it "sucks for local co-op". I guess a better way to approach this would be explaining your stance. If we look at PS4 and XBONE now there's two platforms that are truly pitiful for local co-op.
lostinblue
Banned
Windows 8 makes me want to throw computers out of the window.
SneakyStephan
Banned
Remind yourself of that next time you renew your xbox live or ps+ to be able to play multiplayer
If it's saving money you are after you need a pc not a console,
No matter how expensive gpus and cpus get, you save so much on games that it's way cheaper to play on pc, and the more games you buy the bigger the gap between pc and console cost gets.
This isn't something that is up for argument, it's just a fact.
There is nothing to gain by lying about it just to protect your bias.
The pc is not a product, it's an (open) platform
Why don't you buy a bike/car isn't selling you a product either, you can buy any brand you want.
Your post is really ironic when there are 500 page long threads about how excited people are for every console before it comes out. Because that is a specific product
Deputy Moonman
Member
I've had a gaming pc for a few years now and I still prefer playing on a console for most games. Is the sky falling yet? Maybe enough people haven't tried to convince me :-/
Games that I play on a pc are usually limited to mmorpg's, moba's, turned-based strategy games, and real-time strategy games. Although I also really enjoyed games like the Curse of Monkey Island and Myst back in the day, too. Everything else I almost always prefer the convenience of a console. No setup. No settings. No replacing parts. No mods. No emulators. No point and shooting with a mouse in first person shooters. Better exclusives in general - Nintendo doesn't exactly put their current gen games online and neither does Sony.
Games that I play on a pc are usually limited to mmorpg's, moba's, turned-based strategy games, and real-time strategy games. Although I also really enjoyed games like the Curse of Monkey Island and Myst back in the day, too. Everything else I almost always prefer the convenience of a console. No setup. No settings. No replacing parts. No mods. No emulators. No point and shooting with a mouse in first person shooters. Better exclusives in general - Nintendo doesn't exactly put their current gen games online and neither does Sony.
Gumbie
Member
I'm not really arguing with you, you asked why not and I answered. Everyone is free to do whatever they like.
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
Because it will cost a lot of money and take a lot of space. I don´t have a screen (my tv can only output 720p and is 7 years old) or a box mouse or keyboard, so i will be buying PC from scratch. I did that in 2007 and after a year it broke. It costed me 1500$ to build and after a year it could not run anymore. I only got black screen. I wanted to get it fixed but i got a laptop because of college and never looked back. I want a PC in the future when i can afford it, for now i don´t care about getting one. Besides i can´t resell or loan/barrow games from a friend on the PC.
For me Nintendo isn't the reason "why not" Nintendo is the reason "why". You see I view Nintendo platforms and PC as the perfect companions to each other. Both offer something completely different.
MillionStabs
Banned
My gaming PC is one I've had since I think 2008. And I've only upgraded the video card fomr a HD 4600 series to an HD 7700 series (about a 100$ card) and it still works great. So the price really isn't as much an issue as people may think.
Chû Totoro
Member
PC exclusives don't interest me
Price for the best gaming configs
Comfy couch + TV screen size + sound setup
Local multiplayer
Setup, tuning the settings before playing
I have both Xbox One and PS4, yet with these system's money (900) I wouldn't have nothing better than an Intel Core i7 4790, AMD Radeon R9 270 (2GB GDDR5) and 8GB DDR3 1600Hz RAM (not counting I don't have an awesome screen here and no gaming mouse / keyboard / controller).
And I'm not sure to have #DriveClub or Forza Horizon level of graphics with this :/
Price for the best gaming configs
Comfy couch + TV screen size + sound setup
Local multiplayer
Setup, tuning the settings before playing
I have both Xbox One and PS4, yet with these system's money (900) I wouldn't have nothing better than an Intel Core i7 4790, AMD Radeon R9 270 (2GB GDDR5) and 8GB DDR3 1600Hz RAM (not counting I don't have an awesome screen here and no gaming mouse / keyboard / controller).
And I'm not sure to have #DriveClub or Forza Horizon level of graphics with this :/
Sanctuary
Member
I wish I had known what a bastardized OS Windows 8 was before installing it to my most recent system. Had I known how awful it was, I would have just bought Windows 7 again, even if 8 handles SSDs a bit better.
Remind yourself of that next time you renew your xbox live or ps+ to be able to play multiplayer
If it's saving money you are after you need a pc not a console,
No matter how expensive gpus and cpus get, you save so much on games that it's way cheaper to play on pc, and the more games you buy the bigger the gap between pc and console cost gets.
This isn't something that is up for argument, it's just a fact.
There is nothing to gain by lying about it just to protect your bias.
I really think it just depends on how many games you actually buy a year. Over five years, say you bought a total of 60 games. Each game you saved $15 compared to the retail cost of a console game. Combine that with XBL and whatever the PS4 version is called ($50 annually?) and you've saved $1150. That's if, and only if you managed to get a deal on every single PC game and are not counting used console games (which can be had for $15 or less through Amazon). You've just now managed to recoup the initial difference in cost of the systems. Guess what? It's time to build a new PC again. Of course you could wait another year or three depending on how long the current gen is trying to stretch itself out, and by the end of it you may have actually saved quite a bit of money in comparison. Personally though, I don't even buy twelve PC games per year. I just like having better graphics and framerates for the games I do end up getting, so it's an expensive hobby.
Gipsy Danger
Member
However Windows 8.1 will show you the way.
Chairmanchuck
Member
Chû Totoro;129141992 said:I have both Xbox One and PS4, yet with these system's money (900€I wouldn't have nothing better than an Intel Core i7 4790, AMD Radeon R9 270 (2GB GDDR5) and 8GB DDR3 1600Hz RAM (not counting I don't have an awesome screen here and no gaming mouse / keyboard / controller).
I bought a i5 4570k, R280x and 8GB DDR Ram with a new case, mainboard, power supply etc. for about 600$ 9 months ago.
Are parts in america that expensive? Here in europe (and China) you can get a PC like that for about 600-700$, brand new.
This I also dont get. I am playing my games on TV with my sound-system and on a comfy bed.
Stallion Free
Cock Encumbered
Dat 900p30fps watch dogs optimization.
incase you don't want to read, I bought a mac, ps4 instead
• I like to game on a couch/I don’t like kb+m
I actually game at my desk sitting on the couch makes for bad posture for me in my opinion.
• I work all day on a computer and the last thing I want to do is use one at home
I use a computer while I play games
• Games are horribly optimized or bad console ports
Sure this may be true but I’m okay with this
• The price is too high
This speaks for itself
• Building a PC is too hard
Well I’ve never had a problem here, but my worries lye with heating and sound and size and I feel I just don’t want to care about that anymore
• Exclusives
This speaks for itself
• I don’t want to have to fiddle with settings to get games to run. Consoles just work.
This speaks for itself and is one of the biggest factors
At the end of the day I was a former PC owner in-fact a family member worked at AMD and could get me video cards discounted
Gaming on the PC never happened for me even though I had a high powered pc
Non of the games really appealed to me at the time. (2-3 years ago)
All the games I wanted where on the ps3
I’m not denying that the PC is the master race.
It came down to the exclusives for me and since I did not game on the pc I bought a mac server and virtualized my PC to boot up once and while.
I could not happier.
I don’t feel the need to buy a PC anymore.
• I like to game on a couch/I don’t like kb+m
I actually game at my desk sitting on the couch makes for bad posture for me in my opinion.
• I work all day on a computer and the last thing I want to do is use one at home
I use a computer while I play games
• Games are horribly optimized or bad console ports
Sure this may be true but I’m okay with this
• The price is too high
This speaks for itself
• Building a PC is too hard
Well I’ve never had a problem here, but my worries lye with heating and sound and size and I feel I just don’t want to care about that anymore
• Exclusives
This speaks for itself
• I don’t want to have to fiddle with settings to get games to run. Consoles just work.
This speaks for itself and is one of the biggest factors
At the end of the day I was a former PC owner in-fact a family member worked at AMD and could get me video cards discounted
Gaming on the PC never happened for me even though I had a high powered pc
Non of the games really appealed to me at the time. (2-3 years ago)
All the games I wanted where on the ps3
I’m not denying that the PC is the master race.
It came down to the exclusives for me and since I did not game on the pc I bought a mac server and virtualized my PC to boot up once and while.
I could not happier.
I don’t feel the need to buy a PC anymore.
Noisepurge
Member
well when you compare only gaming qualities, sure you can.
and consoles since the first CD era have all been more than gaming units too.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
You're not wrong at all, but to give some more recent examples, Dell has been offering $25 gift cards with game purchases, and while I don't usually hit K-Mart, they've been going to town with "Shop your way" points that are giving back up to $40 for certain big games. Then there's the used option of Gamefly which usually provides great deals.
We've even had some really, really good digital deals as of late.
While it's more expensive on average, it's definitely not as bad as some make it out to be.
I'm glad you want to support developers. I think that's great. But I've always been a bit of a cheap bastard. I like to bargain hunt and can justify buying the games I do because I'm not spending very much. This is how I support my gaming hobby.
If I have to pay $40-50 for absolutely every game I want, I'm not going to suddenly triple what I spend on gaming. I'd just buy far less games. So developers(as a whole) aren't going to get more money from me either way. At least since I'm on PC, they are getting something from me at all.
I don't claim to be the most valiant sort of customer, but I do feel less bad about things now than I did when I gamed on consoles.
NekoFever
Member
Can't be bothered. I like to buy a console and be able to stick a game in and play for 4-5 years with a nice, curated, it-just-works ecosystem.
I went through the PC thing from 2003 until 2007-ish and enjoyed tweaking, customising, optimising, etc. But now just give me the convenience, thanks.
I went through the PC thing from 2003 until 2007-ish and enjoyed tweaking, customising, optimising, etc. But now just give me the convenience, thanks.
This post is interesting because almost all the same things are true from my perspective of a now PC only gamer, but are more advantageous.
I like digital, DRM is rarely excessive but when it is I simply don't buy. I have less interest in the "AAA" games of pew pew or third person action adventure as they often feel like the same game over and over. I would rather have the late port with all the advantages and flexibility of the PC, my friends and the PC communities that I enjoy rather than what is offered on console platforms. I like the large amount of PC "exclusives" over first party content of most consoles. Upgrades are done voluntarily (in my case) every two years and on selling the component(s) of choice its total costs are less than the 2 years of live/PS+ I would have paid anyway. Games are well priced and there is good competition between stores. The bad ports are easily avoided and often fixed over time. Innovative ideas and experimentation usually appear first on the platform. Everything is backward compatible from games to accessories. Value is maintained from system to system and often across OSs. Streaming is now excellent. While some games will need fixes on occasion or driver/system updates, this is the price of flexibility of hardware and is found in a minute if it hasn't already been fixed via automation of client, os or hardware updater - maintainence in recent years is trivial.
Point is, this easily works both ways. "Games are primarily made for consoles" - not really true for all the games I'm playing but even when that isn't the case, that rarely makes them lesser products. In fact often I find this is the opposite. Overall "bad ports" are in the minority
Atraveller
Banned
I guess you can, if you don't use your PC for any other thing.
nkarafo
Member
And i can run Vice City on the older PC i still have?
I can't see your point here. I said you can play old games on new PCs but its not perfect. Still good enough for not having to keep your older PCs. To play older console games you either have to keep your older consoles (and pray they don't die) or re-buy those games on the new consoles (assuming they are released). But you have to re-buy them. That's not what BC is all about.
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
I don´t have the time to own multiplatforms honestly.
Stallion Dan
Member
Two consoles that aren't even a year old. What a weak argument. Both have several great co-op games already anyway.
Consoles get more local co-op games, PC versions of same games often have local co-op missing. Console co-op games can be played in the main living room easily which is the best social enviroment, an enviroment a PC is typically absent from because who wants a PC in the living room? etc etc
Local co-op on PC is inferior in pretty much every way.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Remind yourself of that next time you renew your xbox live or ps+ to be able to play multiplayer
I know you're not a fan of those services, but you're conveniently leaving out the part where your $40-$50 yearly fee also includes between 42-76 games to play. Games you might have purchased, but no longer have to.
And while you may not own all of the games, what does it matter if you're going to keep subscribing and adding even more games? Personally I don't revisit games often at all, so it's great to be able to get my fill of something, and then move onto something else. It's so cheap it doesn't matter if I don't own it.
CrankyKong
Member
i mainly use my PC for games like CIV and Xcom.
The big TV is at the end of my bed, so a PS4 is a better option there
The big TV is at the end of my bed, so a PS4 is a better option there
flyinpiranha
Member
This isn't for me, but for my fiance.
Cost. I have a good rig with all the bells and whistles. When I went about upgrading mine, I had some leftover parts and it still cost about $400 or more to build her a rig. Granted, it's not the 'worst' PC, and it's not the 'best'
Antec 300 Case
Kingston HyperX FURY 8Gb 1333 DDR3
Gigabyte H81M
i3-4150
120Gb SSD
EVGA 500W PSU
That's about $350
Now include my HD6870 and 19" WS Monitor and we saved about $250-300 or so. Then I had to buy KB/M (decent one for gaming which was about $50) and Win8.1 which I got on reddit for $15.
So we're looking at about $415 base + videocard and monitor.
Plus I had to rearrange my TV room to accommodate where this was going to go, chair, desk ... stuff we had in the house but not always stuff people have lying around.
It's a huge thing. Most people say "oh, well if you're including that then include TV and electricity for consoles!" ... but that's pretty disingenuous. Most people use/already have a TV, not every has a PC -capable desk and a good chair to use for comfortable gaming. Whereas a console you just plug in to the wall, plug into the TV, and go.
Consoles really are superior for ease of use, that's not even an argument and I think a lot of people have no interest in trying to "make it work". I know my fiance didn't even though she loved playing Skyrim and stuff on my PC and wanted one. Building and setting it up, rearranging to accommodate it, etc ... was just too daunting.
Basically I did it all, downloaded, bought, and installed Guild Wars 2 and had her setup a Steam account (or at least instructions on how to ... she's just playing GW2 right now) and sat her down and went "HERE!".
And she's into gaming. She has a 3DS, plays on her Android (she got further in Puzzles & Dragons than I ever did) ... plays console games when there's one she likes .. it's not a 'new' thing to her, but the cost and the space, and the setup were the most daunting things. She's just lucky that those 'daunting things' are basically my hobby.
Cost. I have a good rig with all the bells and whistles. When I went about upgrading mine, I had some leftover parts and it still cost about $400 or more to build her a rig. Granted, it's not the 'worst' PC, and it's not the 'best'
Antec 300 Case
Kingston HyperX FURY 8Gb 1333 DDR3
Gigabyte H81M
i3-4150
120Gb SSD
EVGA 500W PSU
That's about $350
Now include my HD6870 and 19" WS Monitor and we saved about $250-300 or so. Then I had to buy KB/M (decent one for gaming which was about $50) and Win8.1 which I got on reddit for $15.
So we're looking at about $415 base + videocard and monitor.
Plus I had to rearrange my TV room to accommodate where this was going to go, chair, desk ... stuff we had in the house but not always stuff people have lying around.
It's a huge thing. Most people say "oh, well if you're including that then include TV and electricity for consoles!" ... but that's pretty disingenuous. Most people use/already have a TV, not every has a PC -capable desk and a good chair to use for comfortable gaming. Whereas a console you just plug in to the wall, plug into the TV, and go.
Consoles really are superior for ease of use, that's not even an argument and I think a lot of people have no interest in trying to "make it work". I know my fiance didn't even though she loved playing Skyrim and stuff on my PC and wanted one. Building and setting it up, rearranging to accommodate it, etc ... was just too daunting.
Basically I did it all, downloaded, bought, and installed Guild Wars 2 and had her setup a Steam account (or at least instructions on how to ... she's just playing GW2 right now) and sat her down and went "HERE!".
And she's into gaming. She has a 3DS, plays on her Android (she got further in Puzzles & Dragons than I ever did) ... plays console games when there's one she likes .. it's not a 'new' thing to her, but the cost and the space, and the setup were the most daunting things. She's just lucky that those 'daunting things' are basically my hobby.
Chairmanchuck
Member
As the PC has. Dont see your point.
I played Battleblock Theatre (which sucks btw.), Rayman Legends, Trine 2, Jamestown, Dynasty Warriors 8, Mercenary Kings, Broforce and some more just in the last 3 months with my GF.
It's a huge thing. Most people say "oh, well if you're including that then include TV and electricity for consoles!" ... but that's pretty disingenuous. Most people use/already have a TV, not every has a PC -capable desk and a good chair to use for comfortable gaming. Whereas a console you just plug in to the wall, plug into the TV, and go.
My chair isnt really comfortable for gaming. I also just have a normal Desk.
I can also directly connect a PC through HDMI to a TV.
SneakyStephan
Banned
Wut
You save a lot more than 1150, and 1150 will buy you upgrades to last you for ten years (2 new mobo+cpu+ram+gpu combos)
You think the initial cost of a pc is 1150+400 euros (ps4 cost)? That is some monster pc
By the time second hand games are 15 euros on consoles you get them on pc for 5 in a sale.
Btw paying 15 euros less (45 dollars instead of 60, or here in Belgium 55 euros instead of 70 euros ) is not a deal, paying 55 euros for a pc game is insane to me, I get everything for 30 or less.
PC games are on average 25-30 euros cheaper than console ones with the next gen tax (and once that goes away it'll still be 20)
The more time passes after launch the more the price gap widens as well thanks to sales on pc crushing those on consoles
This really isn't something you can argue against.
Anyhow these threads go in the same circles, you enjoy the thought of cheaper consoles, I'll enjoy actually saving a bunch of money.
As a wise man once said at a dissapointing birthday party : it's the thought that counts.
Rockstar ports have always had issues, with the exception of Max Payne 3.
With the older GTA games, you generally have to run a cracked exe for widescreen support, force a single core in the task manager, and force Windows XP compatibility mode. They also tend to dislike DX9 injectors, MSI Afterburner, Fraps, etc, but your mileage may vary.
I was playing San Andreas a few weeks ago at 1440p/60 FPS and it was amazing. I haven't played that game since it launched on the original Xbox.