Sentenza
Member
Oh, was I supposed to?
He comes in just throwing some random gratuitous nonsense against an entire category and what people should do is beg him to be reasonable and reconsider?
Why haven't you bought a PC yet?
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He comes in just throwing some random gratuitous nonsense against an entire category and what people should do is beg him to be reasonable and reconsider?
On GAF the answer to this quesiton is simple:
Is he a console gamer?
Then the answer is YES.
Is he a PC gamer?
Too late, he's already BANNED.
DAREALGUMMY
Member
Sentenza
Member
Let's not degenerate, I don't think that's true.
I never got the impression the moderation here persecutes PC gamers (nor console gamers, for all that matters) in a disproportionate way.
Red Mage
Member
I said I find them annoying. I grew up in the 80's and 90's, so console fanboyism isn't anything new to me. In the last decade, however, some of the PC gaming crowd has taken the whole thing to a new level, but only online. I think it's an offshoot of the whole abuse of anonymity that takes place on the internet.
Oh, I don't dislike PC gamers in general. Just the vocal minority who feel they cannot enjoy their part of the hobby without crapping on everyone else. There's some in every group, but for whatever reason the PC side seems more tolerated and this seems to encourage them.
Read above. I have no issue with PC gamers in general. Just those who seem to be unable to enjoy their hobby without taking the piss out of the console crowd.
I was actually asking about the ratio of PCs in a work/school setting vs home, sorry, should have worded that more clearly. But interesting numbers nonetheless, so thanks for those!
It's interesting that PC Gamers feel the opposite, and that they are particularly persecuted here.
But I do think PC Gamers (the bad ones, that is) have a different flavor. With XB1 vs. PS4, for instance, what you get is basically just a slap fight, because they're nearly identical machines that just provoke brand loyalty. Not fun, but it's not the same flavor as PC fanboys. With PC, the platform is objectively technically superior in virtually every way -- that superiority just comes at the cost of convenience and frequently price.
And while price, convenience and ease of use shouldn't be dirty words (they're perfectly good reasons to prefer one product over another), they often are on NeoGAF.
No argument here, it can be pretty bad. Just remember that feeling if you ever react derisively towards iOS gamers or Android gamers who prefer the convenience and cheapness of mobile games to console. This is a "hardcore" forum, and while I don't really feel it's appropriate, qualities like "convenience" and "accessibility" are frequently sneered at. That goes all the way up and down the ladder; I can still remember PS3 gamers ridiculing the Wii because it sacrificed technical horsepower and accuracy for increased accessibility and price, for instance.
I guess the better explanation for my answer (which in retrospect I should of included) is that I made a financial commitment to the console platforms. Both in terms of hardware and software. I don't think I could afford all the consoles + games I want AND a decent spec PC + all the PC games I want.
Saucycarpdog
Member
Didn't you just take a shot at the PC crowd though?
If You're buying multiplatform titles, the PC basically pays for itself after few years.
In case you weren't including it in this, Jet, part of "affording" something is also time. Even if you had billions of dollars, very few people have enough free time that they'd require a PS4+Wii U+Xbox One+3DS+PC+iPhone(+whatever else you want) in order to have enough potentially interesting games to play.
You may have intended to include this in your point, but I wanted to make it explicitly clear just in case. If you already own an Xbox and Playstation and 3DS and an Android phone, do you really need another system to find enough games to play?
FinalStageBoss
Banned
I like playing with family and friends, and none of them care about PC gaming, so I stick to what they game on (PS4 currently).
As someone who plays games on several consoles, and thus - I assume - qualifies as 'console gamer' I find this somewhat offensive. I certainly didn't buy any console so I could fight in some imaginary war on the internet. I also didn't buy them because I suddenly felt the urge to identify with some corporate brand. That's a really weird thing to presume.
Whether or not there is a reason to buy a console (or a PC or a smartphone) is always subjective. And you can buy any of those things without camping outside Walmart.
Red Mage
Member
Oh, I don't think anyone is persecuted here, I'm referencing the internet in general.
Oh, don't worry. I don't care what system people like to play on. Although I find some of the ports to be of dubious quality, I'm perfectly fine with people playing Square Enix games on a Smartphone or tablet, for example. My loyalty has always been to the game creators, and not the game company or system. Heck, I own Lost Odyssey and Blue Dragon and I don't even have a 360 (yet).
If you call saying that you find one group's jerks more annoying than another group's jerks, then yes, I did. Otherwise, no.
Rogue Agent
Banned
Currently saving up for a decent one to play some future games that I'm interested in.
It's the initial cost though alot can't afford it and many havn't the patience to save for it. Also if he's a console gamer first then he wouldn't want to restrict himself to the PC platform. That's a guess but im guessing many are in the same position as him, you pick one or the other and I cant imagine PC apealing to younger kids aswell. Unfortunately from my experience PC is still seen as quite a geeky thing to do, I know of people at work being insulted for playing WOW on PC. I think console's are socially accepted with that dude bro kinda mentality.
grandwizard
Member
Factoring the monitor into the price of a PC and not doing the same for a TV when pricing a console has been a disingenuous argument ever since TVs came with the hdmi standard for the past 10 years. It should have died out the same time 'comfy couch' did.
ThePlayerofGames
Banned
The one reason which I will never bend on is digital content.
I do not and will not buy it.
Why would I spend money on a platform when I wouldn't buy the content?
I do not and will not buy it.
Why would I spend money on a platform when I wouldn't buy the content?
Only reason I don't have a pc is I can't afford to build one. I'm going to start saving after I move to start buying parts a bit at a time. I'm really interested in a htpc capable of editing and recording audio for podcast. As well as gaming at 1080p and 60 ish fps if possible for $1000. I do have some old pc part picker saved but I'm sure those parts won't fill my needs now.
I'm hoping to use a case like the silverstone gd09. Maybe pc gaf can help me with that. So...
Tldr; I will have a pc soon. May need a little help.
I'm hoping to use a case like the silverstone gd09. Maybe pc gaf can help me with that. So...
Tldr; I will have a pc soon. May need a little help.
Atraveller
Banned
How many games do you own?
SneakyStephan
Banned
I can actually respect this reason.
DD is taking away ownership and it's not a good path to go down as long as laws don't fix that loophole to protect us consumers (and with the recent EU lawsuits being struck down that seems a long time away)
The only reason I tolerate it on pc (and only on pc) is because even if I don't own something I pay for I can still just TAKE it any time they try to fuck me over on something I paid for.
Steam shuts down or some publisher decides to give me the finger and discontinue a game or their launcher, whatever their DD drm is just a crack away from being a non factor to me, psn shuts down (and it will, be it in 10 years or 40 years, that isn't the point) and all your shit is goneeeeee and you're left with your pants down and a sore bum.
It's just a bandaid to protect myself though and I'm not helping people in the future by supporting DD
I don't particularly care for the hobby or industry in the long run anymore as I get older and less... doe eyed naive or idealistic about it (just getting mine while I enjoy it)
edit : to clarify,i mean I get mine for now, for less money, and don't care anymore if I leave salted earth behind for generations after me.
But hey console gamers aren't helping anyone by supporting paywalls either (which hits me in the wallet, so I will not support it, which means no ps4 or xbone for me, but I will definitely buy a wii u soon ), even if they only buy disk based games.
A non sarcastic as long as I get mine and you get yours fist-bump
At least the openness of the platform will ensure there will always be a place for game ownership and consumer rights as long as there is a demand for it.
(which is why any shadow of a hint of any attempt to close down the platform on an OS or hardware level in any way should be met with an instant shut down and rejection, as that is the only possible genuine threat to the pc platform (gaming and non gaming)
I'm veering off topic though
ThePlayerofGames
Banned
I completely agree with you about paywalls. I've only ever bought one game with a paywall and I didn't realise it had one. My fault for not researching. (Tekken Tag 2) Fist bump.
Backloggery says 868
Shadow Broker
Banned
I don't want one.
The PS4 does everything I want it to do, it runs the games I want to play.
The PS4 does everything I want it to do, it runs the games I want to play.
Atraveller
Banned
868 physical games? Must have taken a giant chunk of space!
SneakyStephan
Banned
Didn't mean just project ten dollar online passes, but AOL style multiplayer paygates too.
I bought an xbox 360 back in the day without understanding what the xbox live thing meant (my og xbox was never used online either, not once), The 2 games I bought came with a month each and had no interest in online play for a console at the time, should've done my research too
akachan ningen
Member
Because I build my own.
ThePlayerofGames
Banned
Didn't mean just project ten dollar online passes, but AOL style multiplayer paygates too.
I bought an xbox 360 back in the day without understanding what the xbox live thing meant (my og xbox was never used online either, not once), The 2 games I bought came with a month each and had no interest in online play for a console at the time, should've done my research too
Ah got it.
I really only used PSN for downloading demos and never took my 360 online. I agree. Xbox Live and PS Plus are a ripoff.
infiniteheteroskdasticity
Member
Nothing there for me. The only PC exclusive game I absolutely can't do without is Civ which runs just fine on my Macbook Pro. Ps4 gets all multiplats, great exclusives and I have a Xbox One for the Microsoft exclusives. I also have no interest in gaming on a monitor and absolutely no patience to fiddle around with drivers, settings and all that stuff. The new consoles look good enough and are easy plug and play with the TV.
SSPssp
Member
I'm really surprised how well Civ 5 runs on my Macbook Pro. It looks good on the screen even though the resolution is pretty low too. About 40% of my Steam library can also run on my Macbook, so I think there are plenty of games for Macs.
I tried playing Tomb Raider on my macbook just to see how it was, but it performed pretty badly though. But that's a AAA game that you can play on anything.
All the PC exclusive games I've tried so far run fine on my Mac. Starcraft II and Diablo III ran fine. I haven't tried anything else yet though. But it seems that if you have a Mac, or an old PC laptop, you can still play PC exclusives just fine. (On much lower settings of course. And not shooters)
Tangerinediesel
Neo Member
Because I don't like world of warcraft.
Because I like sports games.
Sure, I can use a controller with a pc hooked up to my tv while sitting on the couch. I'll then get my ass kicked on any fps by people using their mouse/keyboards 3 ft away from their monitor.
I'm happy that sitting at your computer after work is comfortable for you. I want nothing to do with it.
Your PC gets way more amazing graphics than any of my consoles, but I'm more than content playing mario kart, 3d world, zelda, destiny, Forza horizon 2, and master chief collection.
Back in college I used to be a pc gamer and loved it. It has superior graphics and controls hands down. Loved games like Jedi knight, css, and sof2. Never saw myself going back to consoles, but once hd supported ones came things changed. It's a more laid back platform and that's ok with me.
That said one of you help me with a build that will support two separate hd video streams on separate screens and I will buy one. My laptop is only working with one and I need more power for my NFL gamepass. Who knows maybe I will see what I've been missing since getting a 360 and you guys can convert me.
Because I like sports games.
Sure, I can use a controller with a pc hooked up to my tv while sitting on the couch. I'll then get my ass kicked on any fps by people using their mouse/keyboards 3 ft away from their monitor.
I'm happy that sitting at your computer after work is comfortable for you. I want nothing to do with it.
Your PC gets way more amazing graphics than any of my consoles, but I'm more than content playing mario kart, 3d world, zelda, destiny, Forza horizon 2, and master chief collection.
Back in college I used to be a pc gamer and loved it. It has superior graphics and controls hands down. Loved games like Jedi knight, css, and sof2. Never saw myself going back to consoles, but once hd supported ones came things changed. It's a more laid back platform and that's ok with me.
That said one of you help me with a build that will support two separate hd video streams on separate screens and I will buy one. My laptop is only working with one and I need more power for my NFL gamepass. Who knows maybe I will see what I've been missing since getting a 360 and you guys can convert me.
Finaika
Member
Use a keyboard/mouse.
Fantastical
Death Prophet
It's very nice. But now you can do both with Steam streaming. Of course, the quality isn't as good, and you may or may not get full speed... but I've loved it. I have a ~$250 box in the living room and my gaming rig in my room.
What you already have is overkill, there's a massive overlap between games/experiences on those platform you already own compared to what a PC offers. A PC would actually give you something more unique there, as opposed to an XBO for example.
I could ask to you the same question. Why haven't you bought a gaming PC?
* You are missing some of the best games like TLOU.
* Consoles have bigger communities (except for MOBAs), just look the avg number of CoD players
* The average skill of console players is lower, this gives you a chance to enjoy online games without having to play 10 hours at day.
* No mods, no better devices advantage against other people. (like expensive mouses and keyboards with macros for example, i used to abuse macros in one MMORPG)
* You can actually invite OTHER people to play with you. Or go to a friends house and play the same game in the same way you play it in your house.
* Little kids can use it easily
* YOU CAN SAVE MONEY! and save some for your kids education, vacations, medical emergences or upgrade your Vespa into a Car.
I understand why PC gamers love PCs. But I do not like the campaign they do to try to convert people. Just play the games you love without disturbing others.
That is an extremely low requirement.
This is exactly why. I don't want to have to deal with all that troubleshooting to play a game plus figure out how to optimize settings. And it's annoying when people tell people they are dumb for not wanting to deal with all of that and playing on console, makes me want to maintain a gaming PC less just for that.
Exactly, this is very off putting.
I played it. I own a PS3 too. It's a good game, and I appreciate what it was going for, but I probably won't play through it ever again. It loses its luster once I've played through it once because the main appeal is the story. I also don't dig the MP or the core gameplay that much. It's serviceable but that's about all I think of it.
Using CoD as the basis for this is kind of silly, as that series has arguably become more console focused and thus the PC player base has migrated to other FPS games, for example, Counterstrike Global Offensive is currently sitting at 58,685 players and had a peak of 212,866 players today, while across all CoD titles in the top 100 for Steam (and these are the last 3 releases, MW3, Black Ops II, and Ghosts) the peak for today of those three titles combined isn't even close to half of CSGO's current player count. You also can't get accurate stats for how many users are playing daily or weekly for multiplayer console games, so there's no way to have a real comparison. I can't go out and easily access stats for CoD on console like I can for it on PC.
Enjoying online multiplayer games has to do a lot with playing with a group of friends and not so much the relative skill level of the people you're being matched up with. I've had shitty matches in Dota that aren't aggravating to play just because I'm playing with a group of friends.
Macros in MMORPGs are one thing but it's also something that a lot of devs who make MMORPGs actively support with in-game macro functions as well. Also, a PC gamer can buy a peripheral that allows them to use those same expensive mice and keyboards you talk about that gives people an advantage on consoles. I also own multiple arcade sticks for the express purpose of playing fighting games on consoles. Does that give me an advantage against people too because I own those expensive devices?
This is the fault of developers on PC and not the fault of the PC itself. On Steam, say I boot up Dota. I can send out invites to all of my friends on Steam relatively trivially without even having to pull up the Steam overlay. In something like BF4, EA/DICE are assholes and you have to alt-tab out to your browser and send invites to your friends through that instead of pulling up the Origin overlay and doing it that way. You also can't invite someone to join your squad until after you've already joined a server, which is something you could do in BF3.
I can see how this might be a complaint but if you can teach them how to use a console or like an iPhone there's no reason they shouldn't be able to learn how to start up games on PC. You can even set up their own user account that only has games on the desktop that they can click on to launch.
This has been said before in the thread and it's true there's a bigger up front cost. I also have not paid full price for a game on PC in at least 3 years. There are always deals running through GMG, Gamefly, Steam, Gamersgate, GOG, etc. There's actual competition in the digital space because it's not limited to one store run by one entity. I can more often than not buy a game just before release day for at minimum 20% off.
some of these are the worst reasons ever.
Oh noes, I miss out on a cover shooter with a mediocre story!
Consoles games do not have bigger communities. They also don't have longer lasting communities. For some reason you include the most popular console game but exclude the most popular PC games.
..i don't even feel like going on with the rest of this list.
Obviously time is more important than money in the long run. It's not like I play every game on every system. But I do enjoy being able to hand pick the cream of the crop.
I could't imagine my personal gaming history without Nintendo's first party offerings or the Uncharted series or Gears of War 2/3 or Halo 3/ODST/Reach or dozens upon dozens of other unmissable console exclusives (IMO).
I used to be a pretty dedicated PC gamer (in addition to consoles) back in the 90s. I would edit my boot config to clear upper memory to run Doom at a slightly higher frame rate. I downloaded 100s of Doom & Doom 2 wads from Walnut Creek's FTP. I snuck into my university computer labs at 2am in the morning with 3 friends to play multiplayer LAN Heretic. I must have completed Unreal 10 times. I was addicted to Action Quake and Thunderwalker CTF and Counter-Strike and Unreal Tournament and Quake 3. I also loved all the Sierra and Lucasarts adventure games and the RTS's (I was there for Dune 2) and world building/God sims and flight combat sims (X-Wing vs. Tie Fighter remains one of my favorite games to date) and pretty much Bullfrog's entire output etc. Half-Life was a revelation. Doom 3 was probably the last 'big' game I played thoroughly on PC.
I lived and loved PC gaming up until publishers and devs shifted their focus (and budgets) to console development around the time of the 360. Missing out on Crisis stung a bit but there really haven't been that many 'blockbuster' PC exclusives that have compelled me to think about building a new rig. WOW, LOL, DOTA, etc. never seemed that appealing to me. Maybe it's genre preference though I do have pretty broad tastes.
I do admit that I greatly envy the MOD scene and with stuff like Star Citizen on the horizon maybe the blockbuster tide is turning back to PC.
Also, another big contributing factor: a majority of family and friends that I game with online regularly exclusively own consoles.
I'll add a disclaimer though: I have an old Macbook Pro and a Steam account for things like Amensia, Binding of Isaac, Stanley Parable, Gone Home, Hotline Miami, 30 Flights of Loving and some of the other less technologically demanding but awesome indies.
Sorry for meandering but Opiate, you're one of my favorite GAF members (even before you were a mod) so I'm happy to go a little deeper to explain my answer.
Tangerinediesel
Neo Member
So a $500 rig should do it? My I3 with 4 gigs of ram struggles.
I have an older midrange PC where I occasionally play some games on, but other then that only gets used for work/photoshop related stuff.
I'm not hardcore enough to want to tinker around with mods or settings, I just wanna pop in a game and play. I'll problably buy a WiiU and upgrade my PC a bit and call it a day for this generation.
I'm not hardcore enough to want to tinker around with mods or settings, I just wanna pop in a game and play. I'll problably buy a WiiU and upgrade my PC a bit and call it a day for this generation.
Gipsy Danger
Member
I'm nice
. Honestly if anyone wanted to know something about the hobby I'd be more than happy to help them. But a lot of people are just making up excuses that aren't really relevant like "I prefer the exclusives on console". Obviously you do, you don't have a PC. Or that the Elite PC crowd are unbearable even though quite a lot of them also have consoles, the same cannot be said in my experience of people who are primarily console gamers.Gipsy Danger
Member
I already own some of those. I was very interested in Tinker: City of Colours since it's supposed to be inspired By Jak and Daxter, but then I noticed that it has automatic jumping which is just awful for a platformer.
I would so want Crash Bandicoot and Jak and Daxter style platformers to come back into style.
That looks pretty cool. I'll definitely buy it during the next sales.
Yeah, I've been thinking of buying a Wii U since I've never owned a Nintendo console and it seems to be the only one to get some 3D platformers and more colourful games.Wii U + PC is definitely the best combination for gamers right now.
I remember buying my ps3 in a large part for the promise of console 3d platformers after enjoying the genre so much on sega consoles and psx + ps2 + gamecube before.
(boy that was a mistake huh
You give a compelling reason to own a wii u though (a system that most people on gaf show no regard for)
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
I think the common reason probably is because people are comfortable with the platforms they own.
A better question is why do PC-Gaf always think just because PC is the best deal for them, it applies to everyone else? Doubly so if we talk about the cost of parts outside the US.
I built a gaming PC but for a very long time it was not a feasible option to me. This "PC gaming is better" attitude is closed-minded and arrogant.
Some people simply dont want the hassle. Accept that and stop talking down to people.
Gipsy Danger
Member
At what point did I talk down to people? If people want to play games on their console then that's fine. I also play consoles from time to time. This thread was more about trying to squash misconceptions that obviously still exist because it's infuriating when you try to tell people it's not as hard as they think and they just refuse to listen. I just want people to know that the PC exists as a viable platform, I'm not asking them to give up their consoles for it. If I have talked down to anyone then I apologise but I don't think I have.