You shouldn't be handcuffed for not showing your ID.
Actress Daniele Watts reported for lewd acts, goes nuts at police investigating
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You shouldn't be handcuffed for not showing your ID.
Considering one of the main reasons these things continue to happen is because of lack of accountability and proper handling of the officers I imagine they will be perfectly fine.
This is some amateur level government overreach apologetics. Perhaps it's time to read some basic legal and historical context for why it's wrong? Unless you want to grow up to be a totalitarian dick. It may be too late.
You can lie about your name and they get the opportunity to check if there are any warrants out for your arrest. That's literally the only point and look at it from their perspective, they know nothing about you other than the initial suspicion that brought them to talk to you, they don't just trust blindly. I'm also talking in general here, I'm aware the situation here doesn't make much sense with whats provided in the article.
Depends on the state. Not in California though.
SolidSnakesMyStepDad
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Though the thing is if the person has done nothing wrong they shouldn't have too. Also it just leads into so many other things that could go wrong.
Atraveller
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This is beyond fucked up!
You need to stop. Your sarcasm isn't going to go very far.
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This situation doesn't speak for being asked for an ID in general. In this case, it doesn't sound like she should have ever even been approached for any reason.
But under circumstances where the cops have reasonable suspicions and you are innocent, showing ID seems fine to me. Seeing my clean record is just one more thing to help weed through suspicions.
Eh, I guess it just seems fine to show ID most of the time to me. And that has little to do with what makes this case wrong. I think we know profiling is the big problem that started this case from what we can tell.
hipbabboom
Huh? What did I say? Did I screw up again? :(
First openly Nazi member I've ever seen on GAF :-/
no.
Storm Chamber
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It's wrong
but I see potential for a new smiley
but I see potential for a new smiley
Epsilon-delta
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How can this in happen in Cali? I thought this stuff only happens in the South.
Opening your mind to a different viewpoint to learn? Nah, fuck that.
a place with the most oppressive police in the western world.
it's funny all these "this is america" posts about how you don't have to show ID because 'merica and freedom and all that stuff. Yet, if Americans realised how the rest of the western world worked they would realise how oppressed they are.
Sarcasm?
Are you white? Just curious. You're delusional if you think this isn't about race. Totally Nazi Germany man.
lol, don't place your statement on a higher plateau than it deserves. you're stating the obvious, but still no.
When did I say it wasn't about race?
Foxy Fox 39
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Must be nice not being a minority.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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Or maybe law enforcement could stop handcuffing people for asserting a right given to them by the government. Now this woman has grounds for a lawsuit.
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I think somehow people are blending the two and then claiming that those discussing why they would show ID are blaming her in this specific case. That doesn't even make sense because she wasn't approached over ID, she was presumably profiled and accused of being a prostitute first.
SolidSnakesMyStepDad
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It doesn't seem like you have an open mind either. Just sayin.
entremet
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The South really gets a bad rap, but the most notorious police departments of the last 25 years are based in super liberal cities--NY and LA.
Wrong assumption.
Ninja Of Chaos
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I don't understand...are you saying that the poster is wrong and we have to show ID?
They had no legal precedent to detain her, she wasn't under suspicion for any crime. Not complying to show your id shouldn't result in handcuffs. They probably wanted an easy collar and thought they could get it.
No, s/he's saying that in most parts of the western world you won't get a gun point at you for something minor like making a quick movement.
I think, if she were not sort of a celeb the cop would have continued to harass her even if she did show her ID. So what does showing the ID do? I mean, everyone has IDs so how would showing one prove or disprove she was a hooker anyway? The bottom line is that as an American and Californian citizen she has rights and they should not be halted because some asshole wants to powertrip.
WHaaaaaat? Innocent until proven guilty. Mere spontaneous suspicion doesn't give them a right to impede on hers.
Prostitution?
What viewpoint?
Cop sees a black chick with a shaved head kissing a white man, in awkward/old clothing - profiles her as a potential prostitute. Harasses them without cause, and then detains her without legal reason.
The different viewpoint is obvious and shitty, I'll keep the one I have.
What evidence could they present that justifies detainment? Keeping in mind California is not a stop and ID state.
Foxy Fox 39
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Let me see your ID.
Well, regardless of how fucked up the reasoning was, it seems like she was.
EdibleKnife
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I'm gonna take a wild guess that these cops don't just arrest every kissing couple under suspicion of prostitution. :/
SolidSnakesMyStepDad
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Kissing someone in public is not probable cause.
Storm Chamber
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What other reason would a white man have for kissing a colored?
Ninja Of Chaos
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And what does that have to do with anything? The guy was talking about the fact that in the US, you don't have to show ID.
I dunno what the situation was, ask them. Not saying their assumption was correct since it obviously wasn't, but if they thought she was a prostitute then she was under suspicion for a crime.
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EdibleKnife
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No, that's not how it works, just because the police said they thought she was a prostitute does not constitute reasonable suspicion that she was one. That is circular logic. It would be the equivalent of the police detaining your because you went to the bank and they thought you were a bank robber with no other evidence to corroborator that.
PHOENIXZERO
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Not familiar with LAPD's history of racial problems?
Spring-Loaded
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This. "Balance for balance's sake" is fucking retarded. People who do follow this line of thinking in response to these types of stories are indulging in idiocy, yet they would take offense to being called idiots.
hipbabboom
Huh? What did I say? Did I screw up again? :(
You may feel discrimination by a civil servant isn't a crime but it is. You are saying that people should wave their legal rights in the process of having a crime committed against you is no big deal. You're being fucking lazy and don't try to victim blame because other people are actually taking a stand to protect themselves against victimization.
You don't have to. It's your right not to show your ID. You have the right to remain silent and also to ask if you're free to leave if you're not being detained.
https://www.aclu.org/drug-law-refor...acial-justice/know-your-rights-what-do-if-you
http://www.flexyourrights.org/faqs/when-can-police-ask-for-id/
Some states have laws where you have to identify yourself, but only if you're detained (reasonable suspicion that you committed a crime). California is not one of those states.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_and_identify_statutes
There are lots of reasons not to show your ID. Hypothetically: If you're Mexican-American in Arizona, for example, I imagine it might be irritating and insulting to be stopped for being Mexican and to be asked to prove you're a citizen. This was a huge thing recently with the "papers please" laws Arizona tried to pass.
In this case, Daniele Watts had no reason to provide her identity, as she was doing nothing wrong and simply living her life like a normal person.
This is good to know. I've always wondered.
And the poster you quoted pointed out the irony of having one small freedom in the face of other more oppressive behaviors.
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