Utah police shoot black man "lunging" w/ sword. Witnesses, autopsy say shot in back

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freddy said:
Which just shows how ridiculous it is, right?
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What's ridiculous is knowing the autopsy report which is based on anatomy, physics, chronology and physiology and still coming into a thread saying

" we don't know the facts "

Facts that are relevant is that the kid was running and they said he was not. That's not a difficult concept to grasp man
 
freddy said:
Of course and given the track record of police it's easy to assume that. But like I said when there's a sword involved I'm not gonna leap on the cops till more evidence is in. It's not a nice place to be in when you have a deadly weapon drawn on you, from either side.
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I'll concede to that but keep in mind the autopsy and the alleged witness testimony contradicts the police official statement.
 
My take on the situation is this; he was black with a sword. That's some jungle ass shit and the cops were scared; he might have be a trained shinobi we just don't know guys. We don't have all the facts, but I mean if he lunged at them backwards as he ran away then of course they're going to shoot him. People always want to make the cops sound like they're bad. Cops just don't randomly shoot black people for no reason guys; he clearly did something. Witness statements don't mean anything, for all we know they could have gotten together to make up a story to discredit the cops. I mean why don't we see threads when the cops do good things? And people already bringing race into this smh; you people keep fanning the race flames and it'll never go away. I personally don't see race I only see humans, we're all in this together guys. If you don't want to be shot by the police just don't do anything. I think both sides were in the wrong on this to be honest.
 
Enzom21 said:
So because I am not giving the cops the benefit of the doubt like you, I am not being objective? Where in the story does it say he lunged at the cops then was shot in the back by while fleeing? The police report mention nothing about him fleeing before being shot.
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That's just conjecture on my part as to why he may have been shot in the back. I'm not presenting it as fact.
 
soundahfekz said:
What's ridiculous is knowing the autopsy report which is based on anatomy, physics, chronology and physiology and still coming into a thread saying

" we don't know the facts "

Facts that are relevant is that the kid was running and they said he was not. That's not a difficult concept to grasp man
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I'm not saying it all matches up but the guy had a sword that they probably didn't know was ornamental. In that situation there's a huge chance of being shot.

soundahfekz said:
Its always "conjecture" in these threads
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From everyone involved? Of course it is.
 
What I meant by stupid is why are you running around with a sword. Well I am done probably would of been shot anyways what can you do.
 
Reputable police artist's sketch

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Angelus Errare said:
My take on the situation is this; he was black with a sword. That's some jungle ass shit and the cops were scared; he might have be a trained shinobi we just don't know guys. We don't have all the facts, but I mean if he lunged at them backwards as he ran away then of course they're going to shoot him. People always want to make the cops sound like they're bad. Cops just don't randomly shoot black people for no reason guys; he clearly did something. Witness statements don't mean anything, for all we know they could have gotten together to make up a story to discredit the cops. I mean why don't we see threads when the cops do good things? And people already bringing race into this smh; you people keep fanning the race flames and it'll never go away. I personally don't see race I only see humans, we're all in this together guys. If you don't want to be shot by the police just don't do anything. I think both sides were in the wrong on this to be honest.
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I couldnt find anything wrong with this account.
 
Enzom21 said:
So you pulled some bullshit out of your ass and then had the nerve to claim that I wasn't being objective?
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No, I'm in a topic where a guy was supposedly shot, according to one side of the story, in the back and said, in other words this time,

"even if he's fleeing, if he still has a sword on him then I could see the reason he was shot"

I hope that makes it clearer.
 
I saw the picture of the mom crying holding a pic of her children. It was incredibly sad.

The constant news stories like these are maddening,
 
freddy said:
I'm not saying it all matches up but the guy had a sword that they probably didn't know was ornamental. In that situation there's a huge chance of being shot.

From everyone involved? Of course it is.
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You're saying "we don't know the facts" when we have scientific evidence on behalf of the victim yet providing 'PROBABLE' causes for his slaying without having any concrete fact beyond the police's account.

Gotttttcha.


DY_nasty said:
FADC into Aggressive Step

Cops not trying to get stuck in that frame trap breh
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The only thing to debate is if he did the Vegeta grunts while charging up his stare/ charge. Clearly an open and shut case.
 
I mean why would someone lunge with a sword at someone with a damn gun? This isn't an anime and mofos got shunpo and shit.

I think we need his facebook pictures and high school records to help clear this up.
 
soundahfekz said:
You're saying "we don't know the facts" when we have scientific evidence on behalf of the victim yet providing 'PROBABLE' causes for his slaying without having any concrete fact beyond the police's account.

Gotttttcha.
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Can you tell me how you think he might have been shot in the back then?
 
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No seriously this is fucked up if accurate. I am familiar with certain Asian street gangs using bladed weapons, but this is... strange.
 
Angelus Errare said:
I mean why would someone lunge with a sword at someone with a damn gun? This isn't an anime and mofos got shunpo and shit.

I think we need his facebook pictures and high school records to help clear this up.
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hyper armor breh

you know blackleticism will push through at least half a clip
 
You know, I never quite understood people who called for more facts in cases like these. It's not like there will be new evidence that magically absolves these officers of shooting a guy in the back while runs away.
 
Zibrahim said:
You know, I never quite understood people who called for more facts in cases like these. It's not like there will be new evidence that magically absolves these officers of shooting a guy in the back while runs away.
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College Humor needs to make a Devil's Advocate video like they did with Diet Racism, maybe then it will get through to some people
 
Zibrahim said:
You know, I never quite understood people who called for more facts in cases like these. It's not like there will be new evidence that magically absolves these officers of shooting a guy in the back while runs away.
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"Facts" = weed,thug wear,and a middle finger.

Extra bonus points if they ever made a mistake in life we can point to
 
freddy said:
No, I'm in a topic where a guy was supposedly shot, according to one side of the story, in the back and said, in other words this time,

"even if he's fleeing, if he still has a sword on him then I could see the reason he was shot"

I hope that makes it clearer.
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It is not one side of the story. The autopsy shows he was shot in the back which directly contradicts what the police report says.

You tried to chastise me for not being "objective" which based on your post means "make up a fantasy scenario that absolves the cops and ignores the autopsy report". You're the one not being objective.
 
Zibrahim said:
You know, I never quite understood people who called for more facts in cases like these. It's not like there will be new evidence that magically absolves these officers of shooting a guy in the back while runs away.
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Would they be justified if he had a deadly weapon on his person while he was fleeing? In the Brown case it was discussed a small bit about if he was suspected of having a weapon would the shooting be justified. I'm wondering if this states laws allow for using deadly force in this situation.
 
Is it possible, now hear me out for second, that the cop could curve bullets like in the film Wanted? Or that the victim was capable of doing that Neo-Matrix-dodge shit where back is front and up is down. I demand facts.
 
Obviously the facts are not yet clear, but what's the guy doing out and about with A SWORD (souvenir or real) anyway?!

Doesn't sound like a smart way to stay out of trouble to me.
 
Enzom21 said:
It is not one side of the story. The autopsy shows he was shot on the back which directly contradicts what the police report says.

You tried to chastise me for not being "objective" which based on your post means "make up a fantasy scenario that absolves the cops and ignores the autopsy report". You're the one not being objective.
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Ok, I'll ask you the same question I asked before. If true and he was shot in the back, how do you think it played out?
 
freddy said:
Ok, I'll ask you the same question I asked before. If true and he was shot in the back, how do you think it played out?
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I'm guessing he lunged at the police with a sword then started to run away. I don't know what normal police procedures are to deal with someone who just lunged at you with a sword and is now running away.
 
theaface said:
Obviously the facts are not yet clear, but what's the guy doing out and about with A SWORD (souvenir or real) anyway?!

Doesn't sound like a smart way to stay out of trouble to me.
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This, why in the hell would you have a sword in public?!
 
ponpo said:
I'm guessing he lunged at the police with a sword then started to run away. I don't know what normal police procedures are to deal with someone who just lunged at you with a sword and is now running away.
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More likely that he attempted to flee from the getgo. Willing to bet he would've been shot the moment he began to lounge at them had that been the case
 
you can't shoot people that are fleeing though

like come the fuck on
 
Since we have enough people making up theories to absolve the police. Let's have some theories for the dead guy.

Maybe he had just bought the sword and was walking home when a cop saw him and pulled out their pistol. The guy saw this and ran away and the cop shot him as he was running away.
 
ponpo said:
I'm guessing he lunged at the police with a sword then started to run away. I don't know what normal police procedures are to deal with someone who just lunged at you with a sword and is now running away.
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So you think that he lunged at them and instead of immediately shooting him, they waited for him to turn and flee? Come the fuck on.
 
Angelus Errare said:
Since we have enough people making up theories to absolve the police. Let's have some theories for the dead guy.

Maybe he had just bought the sword and was walking home when a cop saw him and pulled out their pistol. The guy saw this and ran away and the cop shot him as he was running away.
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With no dehumanizing stare involved? You're kidding
 
Enzom21 said:
Don't know. Unlike you, I am not going to make up some bullshit story to support the cops.
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Thats' not what I did really. What I did was to put forward a theory which in my mind might have happened. If I've upset you by doing that I apoligise but I'm not out to support the cops before I even entered the thread if that's what youre implying.
 
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