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[theignoramus]

Sad but good to see the evidence is mounting. I wonder if this will become the new climate debate.

Like man induced climate change,the evidence is so overwhelming in this day and age, only a fool would deny it, but I notice the new sleight of hand is to acknowledge the existence of racial bias, but argue tooth and nail against any isolated incident where it was likely to be a factor. "well I know discrimination and profiling exist, but how do we know it was a decisive factor in this instance? Why does everything have to be about race?"

 

[commedieu]

Its only new because everyone has a camera now

my gf suggested that we start a kickstarter for cameras, but cameras just for black people. Could mix this with drones too that hover around and follow us.

its a win win.

Conservatives & Liquor Store Owners will support it, most definitely... and we don't have to worry about the police losing evidence/etc.

One step backwards sure. One very sad step backwards.. but, at least its like insurance.. until all police are wearing them?

but I notice new sleight of hand is to acknowledge the existence of racial bias, but argue tooth and nail against any isolated incident in which it exists. "well I know discrimination and profiling exist, but how do we know it was a factor in this instance? Why does everything have to be about race?"

Yep. Its the last yelps of having to admit there is a problem. Because that means for these people who have been trivializing the victims this entire time, have been wrong. Few are honest enough to just flat out admit they were wrong, and move on. Its not new, but I'd say its gaining more traction when in the past that person would be the one to flat out deny discrimination happens because they got pulled over and slapped on the wrist once by a cop so there.

 

[wildfire]

No thanks I'll pass on afrossurance commedieu.

 

[DY_nasty]

No thanks I'll pass on afrossurance commedieu.

The only affrosurance I need is my blackleticism

 

[Infinite]

I agree with you until the very last paragraph.

I don't think it's entirely fair to not consider that the steps to fixing this problem are going to involve individual racism. Sure, you defined institutional racism as policies, and you claim the police force is part of an institution (which it is), but.. police are made up of individuals that suffer from individual racism, which contributes to why institutions are like that. Institutions aren't actually their own separate consciousness that make up their own racist problems.

The problem is that individual racism seeps into institutionalized racism.

Again, if we ONLY claim this is "all about skin color," it opens the way for stupid arguments like "but if it's about race why don't these people just act like these other people" (aka, the "but President Obama is black and he's fine so these people should just stop acting like that and they won't get shot" argument).

I honestly, honestly think that understanding how class is the biggest and primary factor in the culture of violence (and the culture of education, and the norms of behavior) [as opposed to just race/skin color], is going to be necessary to reduce/end institutional racism.

I don't think you quite understand what I'm saying so I'll try to be brief and succinct. The Police is an institution and cops are emissaries of it. When data shows that a large number of cops are abusing their power and brutalizing citizens while people of color namely black people are disproportionately targeted by stops from cops then you won't solve anything by hiring less racists cops. The solution is to reform the institution and change it's practices and policies since it effectively encourages this behavior from it's officers.

 

[YoungHav]

It's a shame it has took 150 fucking years since slavery to have our police grievances taken somewhat seriously. Thank you tech world!

 

[abuC]

That's why black people are fucked, our existence itself is seen as threat.

Every encounter with cops could be your last, I'm a bit physically imposing so I'm getting at least a full clip if I reach just to scratch my head.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

No thanks I'll pass on afrossurance commedieu.

Yo..greatest. name. EVAR!

Every encounter with cops could be your last, I'm a bit physically imposing so I'm getting at least a full clip if I reach just to scratch my head.

We got the same problems..

 

[pigeon]

I honestly, honestly think that understanding how class is the biggest and primary factor in the culture of violence (and the culture of education, and the norms of behavior) [as opposed to just race/skin color], is going to be necessary to reduce/end institutional racism.

The two cannot be separated.

This is a graph of the percentage of people in a person's neighborhood that are poor, broken down by race.

Notice that 90% of African Americans live in economic conditions that less than half of white Americans experience.

Notice that 30% of African Americans live in economic conditions that are experienced by 1% of white Americans.

The story of lower-class America is, to an overwhelming degree, the story of African-American America.

Class is an illusion. It's a representation of economic progress made by your ancestors. But African-Americans have, for hundreds of years, been denied the opportunity to make that progress. Turning around and suggesting that the issue is class ignores the fact that society has gone to great lengths to control the class of African-American families.

 

[MWS Natural]

Every encounter with cops could be your last, I'm a bit physically imposing so I'm getting at least a full clip if I reach just to scratch my head.

Just make sure you don't have any pics online of you looking "urban" or you will be deemed automatically guilty and the murder justified by the American media.

 

[Vermillion]

The only affrosurance I need is my blackleticism

So much... power.

 

[freddy]

I know this probably has been said before but... that guy wasn't black. There was even the video of a guy brandishing a gun in a park, who was shot in a non lethal area and inmediately sent to a hospital. He wasn't black either.

This kid was shot, and then he was left to run away 100 yards, bleeding out in the process. I firmly believe that for some cops, some of these people are "creatures they need to deal with" rather than people. It's not that they hate them, its that they don't register as fellow human beings, so taking the less dangerous route for their peers (other people), they shoot them dead.

EDIT: Never mind, the guy is actually black! (I think)

Distance where officers take up postion seems to be the key. In almost every instance where it reaches a resolution where it is solved peacefully the police pull up a long way from the suspect/ armed person. Looking at the photo here and in other cass where deadly force is used the police engage up close. I'm not sure if it's a tactical decision where shops are close by or public exits though.

 

[Malyse]

I wonder what's happened in recent years that's made US cops so much more willing to just shoot people they deem a threat?

There was a time when they'd try to take the less lethal route...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ejs71S2OCn8

Spoiler: actually it's better now than it's ever been in the past.

 

[ShinRPGamer]

This might have been mentioned already in the thread but the victim was cosplaying Samurai Champloo when he was killed by police.

 

[kasane]

Paid administrative leave

Wat

 

[TastyOreoFriend]

Paid administrative leave

Wat

Dat unprecedented justice.....

 

[TheRedSnifit]

Here's a photo of the sword in question:

Turns out I was right, it's a replica sword. Not sure why people were trying to pass it off as a "toy", but whatever.

 

[freddy]

That's a pretty viscous looking point. O_O

 

[Omega]

What he did that was stupid?

be black

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

Here's a photo of the sword in question:

Turns out I was right, it's a replica sword. Not sure why people were trying to pass it off as a "toy", but whatever.

Most people said "fake" or "replica"

Do these new facts make you happy

 

[Angelus Errare]

I figured out how he was running away and lunging at the cops at the same time. It's so obvious!

First judging by that sword, he clearly activated his bankai. I think we can all come to an agreement on that point.

The most obvious solution is that he turned his back to the cop then instead of sheathing his sword, he did that fancy "thrust the sword towards your enemy with your back turned toward them like in those badass sword fights!"

He most likely failed in the attempt and his reiatsu was so damn powerful it caused the cops to fire their guns out of fear.

 

[TheRedSnifit]

Most people said "fake" or "replica"

Do these new facts make you happy

I was having a discussion earlier in this thread about whether or not this was an actual sword, and I'm simply adding information as it comes out. And yes, a number of sources called it a toy. And calling it "fake" strongly implies that it's plastic. It's a real sword, just blunt and inexpensive.

Not sure what's with the passive-aggressive remark. Do these new facts make you unhappy?

 

[Htown]

I figured out how he was running away and lunging at the cops at the same time. It's so obvious!

First judging by that sword, he clearly activated his bankai. I think we can all come to an agreement on that point.

goddammit Angelus

lol

 

[Jmanunknown]

I was having a discussion earlier in this thread about whether or not this was an actual sword, and I'm simply adding information as it comes out. And yes, a number of sources called it a toy. And calling it "fake" strongly implies that it's plastic. It's a real sword, just blunt and inexpensive.

Not sure what's with the passive-aggressive remark. Do these new facts make you unhappy?

What new facts? We have known it was a replica sword since his family said he bought a replica sword. The only new thing is now we know what it looks like. Nothing has changed at all he is still dead and the cops are still on paid administrative leave.

 

[TheRedSnifit]

What new facts? We have known it was a replica sword since his family said he bought a replica sword. The only new thing is now we know what it looks like. Nothing has changed at all he is still dead and the cops are still on paid administrative leave.

I was quoting the guy when I said "new facts"; it was an ironic echo, if you will. And his family had alternately described it as a "toy" and a "souvenir", and I doubt that everybody on this forum knows what is meant by "souvenir sword".

And why are people getting so hung up over this? You'd think that posting a picture of a sword is tantamount to saying he deserved to get shot or something.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

Here's a photo of the sword in question:

Turns out I was right, it's a replica sword. Not sure why people were trying to pass it off as a "toy", but whatever.

I'm going to guess, like you stated, "sources" said it was a toy..but, whatever. Just pointing it out in case you aren't sure..

 

[TheRedSnifit]

I'm going to guess, like you stated, "sources" said it was a toy..but, whatever. Just pointing it out in case you aren't sure..

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/darrien-hunt-carrying-toy-sword-shot-and-killed-utah-police

So much so that just moments before officers killed him in a barrage of gunfire on Sept. 10, passersby pulled out their cell phones and snapped photos of the 22-year-old with the big hair, bright red shirt and toy sword slung over his shoulder.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/14/darrien-hunt_n_5817940.html

"Those stupid cops thought they had to murder over a toy. This is my baby. This is my family. And they ruined my family."

 

[Jmanunknown]

I was quoting the guy when I said "new facts"; it was an ironic echo, if you will. And his family had alternately described it as a "toy" and a "souvenir", and I doubt that everybody on this forum knows what is meant by "souvenir sword".

His grieving mother called it a toy.

And why are people getting so hung up over this? You'd think that posting a picture of a sword is tantamount to saying he deserved to get shot or something.

I do not think people are hung up over the posting of the picture it was you gloating about being right about it not being a toy when it was a known fact it was a replica sword.

 

[TheRedSnifit]

His grieving mother called it a toy.

So you're agreeing with me?

I do not think people are hung up over the posting of the picture it was you gloating about being right about it not being a toy when it was a known fact it was a replica sword.

Come on, man. Go back through the thread and look at any discussion about the sword. It's clear that a number of people thought he was walking around with a piece of plastic, and people were asking for pictures of the sword. And there ya go, a picture of the sword.

 

[Jmanunknown]

So you're agreeing with me?




Come on, man. Go back through the thread and look at any discussion about the sword.

Just let it go be happy you were right about the sword. It is not worth it to get hung up on something that is so trivial. A guy lost his life and people just want answers as to why the police chose to kill him. Also went back through the thread no one called it a toy everyone pretty much assumed it was what it was said to be. Most of the discussion is why he was shot.

 

[_Ryo_]

This is really awful, and now that I know what the sword looks like I am legitimately afraid to handle my own katana. It's just a blunt sword that probably break hitting a twig but apparently that doesn't matter to anyone and it's enough to get shot over. :/

 

[Rivitur]

Damn killed for COS playing mugen from samurai champloo that sucks.