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[Anarkin]

You have to play Forza Horizon 2! But you need also a really decent GPU

Yes, FH2 is one of the reasons I want the X1. Maybe I will get both. It's gonna be an expensive month.

 

[Mupod]

Tearing is barely noticeable on a 120/144Hz monitor from my experience after owning one for over a year now.

The only game I can remember where the tearing bothered me was The Stanley Parable for some reason. So I had to enable Vsync and the mouse lag felt like shit.

I turn off Vsync in all my games now and with my 680 I don't hit 120FPS if it's more demanding. I hate tearing, but I just don't notice it anymore.

And then you can have drops down to about 90FPS before you start to feel the difference. But it certainly doesn't feel stuttery, that only happens when I approach 60FPS.

yeah, I've been using a 120hz monitor since 2011 and tearing is a thing of the past for me.

The problem is now I'm spoiled and my 580 isn't the monster it once was, so when something drops to 40fps (hello planetside 2) it's awful.

 

[Durante]

It's cool that it works for you but sorry, removing Vsync should never be classed as as serious suggestion. Tearing completely removes any sense of immersion or image consistency and is never an acceptable option.

Preach it!

 

[SneakyStephan]

It's cool that it works for you but sorry, removing Vsync should never be classed as as serious suggestion. Tearing completely removes any sense of immersion or image consistency and is never an acceptable option.

Input lag is way worse than tearing. It is more immersion breaking and ruins the controls and gameplay.
If a game tears so badly that I have to use vsync I will not play it at all.

Preach it!

Don't make me draw a moustache on the picture of you that I have framed above my PC. (I have no such picture, but wouldn't that be creepy )

 

[Xyber]

It's cool that it works for you but sorry, removing Vsync should never be classed as as serious suggestion. Tearing completely removes any sense of immersion or image consistency and is never an acceptable option.

No, seriously. Tearing is really hard to see on a 120Hz monitor, have you actually tried it yourself? Doesn't sound like it, because most people seem to feel the same way as me.

And to be clear, I agree with you completely that tearing is the worst.

 

[brain_stew]

Given your penchant for larger panels, I am curious, have you played on a 120Hz monitor?

Nope but that doesn't change anything. Any tearing is too much tearing and drives me insane. If you don't have vsync enabled, then there's tearing, whatever your perception of it, its there. If its there then I've complete confidence that I will spot it, or go crazy trying to find it. I will never warrant it as a serious suggestion. Nvidia wouldn't have spent millions developing Gsync if tearing was a reasonable compromise.

 

[fluffydelusions]

Just talked to my guy and totally surprisingly they'll have cards available tomorrow morning. Still having a hard time justifying it though. The performance doesn't seem to be a big enough step up from my 680. The only two games giving me remotely trouble are Metro Redux and Crysis 3 ... I think I'll wait for GTA. By then there should be decent aftermarket coolers available as well. I also don't care for Witcher 3, so that makes things kinda easy.

Hope they will be on amazon. Amazon has same day delivery in my area for certain things. Hope this is one of them.

 

[x3sphere]

Now do I buy the GTX980 and sell my GTX760 or keep the GTX760 and buy a Xbox One instead? Can't decide.

If the 970 comes in at mid $300s it would save you quite a bit of cash over the 980. If that is the case and you can stretch your budget a bit more I'd get a 970 and the Xbox One.

 

[Xyber]

Nope but that doesn't change anything. Any tearing is too much tearing and drives me insane. If you don't have vsync enabled, then there's tearing, whatever your perception of it, its there. If its there then I've complete confidence that I will spot it, or go crazy trying to find it.

Then that invalidates your opinion on it really. You need to try it for yourself, whatever tearing there might be is not noticeable.

If you have to look for it, then it shouldn't be a problem.

 

[Dictator93]

Preach it!

For me it depends on the game. Single player games I tend to turn on Vsync. Otherwise in multiplayer games I have it off.

 

[SneakyStephan]

Nope but that doesn't change anything. Any tearing is too much tearing and drives me insane. If you don't have vsync enabled, then there's tearing, whatever your perception of it, its there. If its there then I've complete confidence that I will spot it, or go crazy trying to find it. I will never warrant it as a serious suggestion. Nvidia wouldn't have spent millions developing Gsync if vsync was a reasonable compromise.

FIXED THAT FOR YOU

 

[Durante]

No, seriously. Tearing is really hard to see on a 120Hz monitor, have you actually tried it yourself?

I have.

It might be subtle, but that's different from unnoticeable. I can't play a game that tears even at 120Hz. It nags at the corner of my eyes and mind and ruins the experience.

 

[brain_stew]

Input lag is way worse than tearing. It is more immersion breaking and ruins the controls and gameplay.
If a game tears so badly that I have to use vsync I will not play it at all.

That's a valid opinion, just different. Knowing how frustrating tearing and motion inconsistencies are to me, I can appreciate how annoying input latency must be to those that are very sensitive to it (this is not me).

That's brings us back around full circle though, and again leads us down the path that Gsync is the one and only decent option for a 120hz panel. No one has to compromise anymore ( or at least we won't once some decent panels are released).

 

[brain_stew]

FIXED THAT FOR YOU

Neither vsync or tearing are a good compromise. Its a case of pick your poison:

• Increased input latency and stuttering.
• A compltely mangled and garbled image that looks like somone is running a magnet down the side.

I'd never present either as ideal which is why Gsync is such a big deal.

Then that invalidates your opinion on it really. You need to try it for yourself, whatever tearing there might be is not noticeable.

If you have to look for it, then it shouldn't be a problem.

I don't need to try anything. Any tearing is too much tearing. Plain and simple. I also trust the eyes of Durante and Dark10x.

 

[SneakyStephan]

That's a valid opinion, just different. Knowing how frustrating tearing and motion inconsistencies are to me, I can appreciate how annoying input latency must be to those that are very sensitive to it (this is not me).

That's brings us back around full circle though, and again leads us down the path that Gsync is the one and only decent option for a 120hz panel. No one has to compromise anymore ( or at least we won't once some decent panels are released).

I probably hate tearing as much as you (or maybe not as much, I can deal with a very small amount of it at higher framerates without it putting me off) , I just hate input lag more. I literally cannot deal with it.
If every game suddenly had 50 ms more input lag from tomorrow on I would quit gaming and never look back , no bluff.

I agree gsync is a cool solution (rather than a dirty bandaid) and is the future if it works as advertised
Though I understand it still causes some input lag? or rather inconsistencies in how much input lag there is from frame to frame, which might drive me NUTS if it's more than a few (as in 1-5 at very most) milliseconds

Btw tearing definitely becomes harder to see and less common at higher framerates.
Higher fps = more possible framerates where the buffer update is in sync with your refresh rate, and tears are on your screen for less amount of time, and motion represented in the tear is reduced which in turn makes it less noticable (just like a still image could tear 100x per frame it would be invisible because the last frame is the same as the next one).
I've always been used to playing at 85hz on my crt (RIP ) and the tearing was less noticable than on my new 60hz monitor.

 

[mkenyon]

I would never say that your preference in the matter is invalid, subjectivity and all that.

But I think you (and Durante) are in a very extreme tiny minority in this case. It's all anecdotes, of course, but out of my entire gaming circle, I've never heard a single complaint about tearing on 120 Hz panels.

 

[Verger]

Ok, I guess I'll ask again now that more info has been released.

I've had my 560Ti since it launched 3 years ago and I feel I need a new card. My computer hasn't changed as well since then. Still has the i7-2600K and 8GB Ram and tiny 80MB SSD (1TB regular HD is where all my Steam games go).

Which card would be the best bet? The 980 or the 970? (or should I even look at the 780GTX if the price drops?) I do not plan to SLI things. Is the 980 such a huge difference from the 970 that warrants the $250 price difference?

Thanks.

 

[Guerrillas in the Mist]

Ok, I guess I'll ask again now that more info has been released.

I've had my 560Ti since it launched 3 years ago and I feel I need a new card. My computer hasn't changed as well since then. Still has the i7-2600K and 8GB Ram and tiny 80MB SSD (1TB regular HD is where all my Steam games go).

Which card would be the best bet? The 980 or the 970? (or should I even look at the 780GTX if the price drops?) I do not plan to SLI things.

Thanks.

As someone with a 560Ti that's somewhat budget-constrained, the 970 sounds like a good buy, if the pricing rumours are correct. It needs about 20W less than the 560Ti as well, by my calculations.

 

[Iastfan112]

With the size of the die I've seen suggested most places(~400mm²), I don't buy that $300 dollar rumor, my bet is $400. Wccftech is hardly the most reliable of sources as well, one only has to look as far as the dustup they were a part of with Semiaccurate a few weeks back involving AMD "Faraway/Faroes Islands". Link for the relevant accusations: http://semiaccurate.com/2014/08/26/amds-faraway-islands-interesting-story/

 

[Renzoku]

Just a few more hours until I get depressed by nvidia's lazyness and greed.

 

[brain_stew]

Ok, I guess I'll ask again now that more info has been released.

I've had my 560Ti since it launched 3 years ago and I feel I need a new card. My computer hasn't changed as well since then. Still has the i7-2600K and 8GB Ram and tiny 80MB SSD (1TB regular HD is where all my Steam games go).

Which card would be the best bet? The 980 or the 970? (or should I even look at the 780GTX if the price drops?) I do not plan to SLI things. Is the 980 such a huge difference from the 970 that warrants the $250 price difference?

Thanks.

If getting value for money is important to you then currently (and bear in mind nothing is confirmed yet) the 970 is shaping up to be a very nice compromise of price/performance/power consumption just like the 560 Ti you have in your system was at release. If your 2600K has a mild overclock then that looks like quite a nicely balanced system to me.

 

[mkenyon]

Ok, I guess I'll ask again now that more info has been released.

I've had my 560Ti since it launched 3 years ago and I feel I need a new card. My computer hasn't changed as well since then. Still has the i7-2600K and 8GB Ram and tiny 80MB SSD (1TB regular HD is where all my Steam games go).

Which card would be the best bet? The 980 or the 970? (or should I even look at the 780GTX if the price drops?) I do not plan to SLI things. Is the 980 such a huge difference from the 970 that warrants the $250 price difference?

Thanks.

Wait for reviews

 

[luffeN]

Just think that tearing is part of the game and be done with it

 

[brain_stew]

Just think that tearing is part of the game and be done with it

If only..............

 

[Vulcano's assistant]

Here's what I would suggest to people with 560 or 570 like myself. Get a 970, but wait for the OC models, then get the newest X70 equivalent that exists in 2017 for when the Elder Scrolls 6 comes out.

 

[McHuj]

Has anything leaked if reviews are hitting tonight or tomorrow morning?

 

[brain_stew]

here's what i would suggest to people with 560 or 570 like myself. Get a 970, but wait for the OC models, then get the newest X70 equivalent that exists in 2017 for when the Elder Scrolls 6 comes out.

Custom OCed models should be available at launch for the 970. There's dozens of leaks of custom 970s all over the web.

 

[Seanspeed]

For me it depends on the game. Single player games I tend to turn on Vsync. Otherwise in multiplayer games I have it off.

I'll use vsync in a hardcore racing simulator. Tearing is actually far worse for my competitiveness than a little bit of input lag.

 

[Vulcano's assistant]

Custom OCed models should be available at launch for the 970. There's dozens of leaks of custom 970s all over the web.

Nice to hear it.

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I wouldn't even think of having vsync off if the game has any in engine cutscenes. tearing is the bane of cutscenes for me.

 

[Tain]

lol at non gsync dudes stuck in the past arguing about tearing vs input lag

Really though, while tearing is significantly less bothersome at 120hz, it's still noticeable and not something I want to deal with.

 

[Ricky Ricardo]

With the size of the die I've seen suggested most places(~400mm²), I don't buy that $300 dollar rumor, my bet is $400. Wccftech is hardly the most reliable of sources as well, one only has to look as far as the dustup they were a part of with Semiaccurate a few weeks back involving AMD "Faraway/Faroes Islands". Link for the relevant accusations: http://semiaccurate.com/2014/08/26/amds-faraway-islands-interesting-story/

WCCF is getting a ton of their stuff on Maxwell from VideoCardz, who are by all means, FAR more reliable.

 

[SneakyStephan]

I'll use vsync in a hardcore racing simulator. Tearing is actually far worse for my competitiveness than a little bit of input lag.

really? Racing games are (alongside fast paced competitive shooters) the most input latency sensitive genre out there.
Moment to moment feedback is so important. You also only get a few frames of time to correct your steering in a racing sim, and then have to recorrect several more times in the next second.
Having extra lag on that just shuts down the learning curve and automatically lowers the skill ceiling you can reach.
Not to mention the effect it has on the feel of the controls.

The only games I can still play with vsync are turn based games and rts games, the mouse controls in rts still feels like shit but it doesn't affect my ability to play or enjoy the game mechanics at least.

lol at non gsync dudes stuck in the past arguing about tearing vs input lag

Really though, while tearing is significantly less bothersome at 120hz, it's still noticeable and not something I want to deal with.

I am a dirty screentearing peasant

 

[teiresias]

Hmm, debating an update from my 680 OC to a 970 OC or to hold out for the next generation. Ugh, decisions.

 

[fluffydelusions]

I will probably be going with a 970. Is there a particular brand to get that is generally considered the best? I'm a noob at hardware

 

[mkenyon]

lol at non gsync dudes stuck in the past arguing about tearing vs input lag

Really though, while tearing is significantly less bothersome at 120hz, it's still noticeable and not something I want to deal with.

Yeah, not really stuck in the past. I can't have ULMB and G-Sync active at the same time, so G-Sync gets the boot.

 

[Ravijn]

lol at non gsync dudes stuck in the past arguing about tearing vs input lag

Really though, while tearing is significantly less bothersome at 120hz, it's still noticeable and not something I want to deal with.

What is this screen tearing I keep hearing about?

/hugs G-Sync monitor

 

[plagiarize]

That's a valid opinion, just different. Knowing how frustrating tearing and motion inconsistencies are to me, I can appreciate how annoying input latency must be to those that are very sensitive to it (this is not me).

That's brings us back around full circle though, and again leads us down the path that Gsync is the one and only decent option for a 120hz panel. No one has to compromise anymore ( or at least we won't once some decent panels are released).

I like when we sail together.

I wish the ROG Swift I have back ordered would hurry up and ship (although I know realistically it's not shipping until the end of the month).

SLIing GTX980s on my 1080p 60hz monitor even for a week or two is going to be embarrassing. There's only a tiny handful of games where I'll even see a difference over what I'm getting from my HD7970 right now at that framerate and resolution.

 

[Smokey]

What is this screen tearing I keep hearing about?

/hugs G-Sync monitor

Was wondering that myself.

Yeah, not really stuck in the past. I can't have ULMB and G-Sync active at the same time, so G-Sync gets the boot.

Legit tried both and I really don't notice a difference in smoothness . And ULMB being darker.

 

[Hazaro]

It's cool that it works for you but sorry, removing Vsync should never be classed as as serious suggestion. Tearing completely removes any sense of immersion or image consistency and is never an acceptable option.

IDK I think I'm pretty perceptive at this stuff and played a lot on my 85 Hz CRT that would tear all over.

Tearing on a 120Hz+ panel is extremely less noticible, enough so I always leave it off.

 

[Azzurri]

I've been running a 580 on my 1440p monitor for 4 years now, this upgrade will be nice.

 

[mkenyon]

Legit tried both and I really don't notice a difference in smoothness . And ULMB being darker.

To be fair, I meant people who play games other than Madden.

 

[Smokey]

To be fair, I meant people who play games other than Madden.

You don't know me!!

 

[Anarkin]

If the 970 comes in at mid $300s it would save you quite a bit of cash over the 980. If that is the case and you can stretch your budget a bit more I'd get a 970 and the Xbox One.

That's also an idea but I never owned the top GPU, always had either the x60 or x70 model. Oh well, I will think about it over the weekend, thanks.

 

[GoncaloCCastro]

I'll be getting the 970, it's going to be a nice upgrade from my 570.

 

[Dusktildawn48]

gonna replace my 780ti with sli 970s i think. what performance increase am i looking at? 30-40%?

 

[Tain]

Just a few more hours until I get depressed by nvidia's lazyness and greed.

Does anybody have details on this event? I must have missed exactly what/when it is.

 

[ashecitism]

Does anybody have details on this event? I must have missed exactly what/when it is.

www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=886622

 

[plagiarize]

To be fair, I meant people who play games other than Madden.

I am incredibly excited to play my pinball games with ULMB at 120 hz.

 

[The Tofunator]

Does anybody have details on this event? I must have missed exactly what/when it is.

game24.nvidia.com

Starts at like 6 PST or something.

Edit: Beaten like a rented mule.

 

[desu]

http://www.inno3d.com/products_detail.php?refid=123

Damnit, this card looks crazy.