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[catmario]

Even Bayonetta 2 couldn't expand user base of Wii u. NA or EU version will show no exception.

Is hardcore fans doesn't interested in Wii U, even if this has well received title?

 

[Apathy]

Bummer for Platinum, but I'm sure they're pleased just to have made it. From a business standpoint I can't fathom why Nintendo thought funding and publishing this game was a good idea, but when the game comes out I guess they'll be the only ones complaining.

Well they are happy because no matter if it sold 0 copies or one copy for every wii u they got paid to do it, so it was no risk to them. A bit hurt in pride perhaps or bummed out because more people won't play it sure. Nintendo is the one that is going to take it harder despite the fact that from what early reviews are saying, its actually good.

Just hope that with a bigger audience on the Xbox one and with some good marketing that Scalebound won't be a mistake for Microsoft. I fear that if that also underperforms, the big companies will stop hiring out Platinum to make games and that studio will either close or have to sell off to some other larger company.

 

[Dreavus]

I'm just happy this ridiculous game exists.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Bayo 2 was the reason for my Wii U purchase. I doubt there are an extravagant amount of people who have done the same, but there are a decent bunch of us anecdotally. I am going to do my best to enjoy the hell out of this game.

 

[Sayter]

I'll give this another quote. Sad to see people rejoicing the bomb instead of buying the game that they are supposedly the audience for.

People like to watch others suffer. This somehow seems like that, or else we would concentrate more on how awesome the game is, and less at how bad it's selling.

 

[stryke]

Until folks come up with a better method of estimation for the other areas, yeah. They make a ton of mistakes (and ultimately correct most of them eventually), but until someone else comes up with a better method...

So between nothing and a pile of shit, you prefer to choose the pile of shit.

 

[theprodigy]

I didn't, the person I quoted did. I was just was admitting to it. I guess I could lie if that is what this place prefers. I know the site is banned for good reason. But we do get charts for individual countries in Europe at times.

oh ok

which part did I make up exactly?

 

[Aquamarine]

I agree....



What I'm having a hard time understanding is why sales-talk matters more for many on a hardcore gaming message board than the games themselves.

GAF is known for its sales discussion. It's a nexus for that sort of thing.


Countless other forums / other forms of social media discuss how wonderful Bayonetta 2 is.


But here we do both...an analysis of the game proper, and a meta-analysis of its relevance in the industry.

 

[Aroll]

Honestly though, excluding Nintendo games, what games truly move Nintendo systems? Seems like even Nintendo themselves cannot even figure it out after all of these years. I have feeling even if Nintendo procured MGS5 and Resident Evil 7 exclusively, that still would not produce noteworthy results. The Nintendo contingent is nearly impossible to read imo. I wasn't expecting decent or even below decent sales for Bayonetta 2 on the Wii U, but when Bayonetta on the dead X360 in Japan sells nearly double, you have to wonder. A game such as Bayonetta 2 selling numbers like this is definitely a bad thing for the industry.

That's sort of it: Fans can claim they should shell out money for system movers - but what sort of games will that be? Destiny I guess... but how much would they have needed to shell out for that? It wouldn;t sell on Wii U without exclusivity, and they aren't getting that for any less than 2 billion I am guessing, given the profit potential of hte game on the whole with future DLC, franchising, endless world, etc.

It just isn't feasible. So Nintendo should shell out to get the same games everyone else already gets? How will that sell systems? Nintendo is doing the best they can - supporting the games that no one else seems to want to support and giving them a home. They don't shell out for "system sellers" because it would literally bankrupt them if those deals don't work out. Assuming anyone making a game like Destiny that can move systems is even willing to entertain a deal from Nintendo. Not sure why folks think the problem is so simple they can just throw money at it. It doesn't work that way. They have inferior hardware - they can't just get the same games others have and call it good.

They have to get the great hyped games exclusively, and that isn't going to happen.

 

[outunderthestars]

I'll give this another quote. Sad to see people rejoicing the bomb instead of buying the game that they are supposedly the audience for.

Posts like the one you quoted are great examples of the weird obsession a very small, but incredibly loud, number of people on this board have Platinum games. Do you seriously believe that people should buy the game as some sort of message about the games industry?

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

GAF is known for its sales discussion. It's a nexus for that sort of thing.


Countless other forums / other forms of social media discuss how wonderful Bayonetta 2 is.


But here we do both...an analysis of the game proper, and a meta-analysis of its relevance in the industry.

At least that sounds nice...

 

[Radec]

I think what's worse than Bombanetta 2 having an awful opening sales is that it didn't move WiiU hardware like Nintendo wanted to in the first place.

WIU | 8.396 | 7.062

I mean 1.3k improvement over the week is hardly noticable.

 

[HyperBitHero]

Perhaps Nintendo should have invested more money in games that you know...actually move systems and not on games that appeal to a small minority.

It moved a system into my possession and I'm sure the same applies to a lot of people.

 

[Lernaean]

I'm not the one complaining which threads of my favourite games should be on front page while painting "gamers" in broad strokes.

Broad strokes? My claim was and is that people seem to care more about sales and not game quality, and the post count in these threads shows exactly that.
No matter what you, or i, say here, the game is a WiiU exclusive, because someone cared to bring it back from the dead, and we can't change that. The game also seems to be awesome, and we can't change that either.
Now if you want to play the game, then you must buy the plastic box that plays it, simple as that, if you don't care about it enough then don't.
Everything else is just an unending circlejerk of frothing brand loyalists that for a little bit more than 2 years now, still can't swallow the fact that the game is not coming to their console of choice.
I said it before and i'll say it again. Consoles are only boxes. What's important is the games they play, so the logical thing is to choose the consoles based on the games you want to play and not the other way around. That's why i go multiplatform, because there are games i want in every playform.
And as Monocle said, purely based on attitude, this game should be supported, and allow me to add, it should be supported even if you don't own the box (yet).

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

I think what's worse than Bombanetta 2 having an awful opening sales is that it didn't move WiiU hardware like Nintendo wanted to in the first place.



I mean 1.3k improvement over the week is hardly noticable.

First of all, that name???

Really???

Second of all, Nintendo does a lot of stupid shit but if their own titles don't move a lot of hardware, do you really believe they think a niche game that doesn't have a history of blowing up the charts will???

They made it happen probably first and foremost for some variety in their portfolio, not to be that gamechanger.

 

[OrbitalBeard]

GAF is known for its sales discussion. It's a nexus for that sort of thing.


Countless other forums / other forms of social media discuss how wonderful Bayonetta 2 is.


But here we do both...an analysis of the game proper, and a meta-analysis of its relevance in the industry.

And that's fine and again, I think sales discussions are important. And people like you actually bring some much appreciated knowledge to the table, which is good.

I'm still perplexed as to why the talk of sales seems to dominate more of the forum than discussion of the games themselves, but honestly, maybe I'm wrong and it's not really that way....but it sure seems like it.

 

[Aroll]

TBF...not everyone has the money to afford all of that to play games that they want and thus tend to justify their unintentional port begging because of that.

Look if I didn't buy a Wii U for the Marios and Smash bros and I was a giant Bayonetta fan. I'd be a little peeved and despite what I'd want to say (I'd just go buy the system yo) I can't say with full confidence that I would. Shit is expensive and not everyone has it like that. (that doesn't give you a right to be a big baby about it tho.....which many did during the reveal)

So I'm not going to shit down the throats of those who won't buy a Wii U just to play one game. I'd probably would buy an XBone for Dragons Dogma 2 if it was exclusive but I have it like that so I can justify that purchase.

now those with Wii Us......I am less soft on. Wii U owners need to start supporting some non Nintendo games dammit. Bayonetta doesn't have any of the typical excuses this time. just do it.

I'm not loaded either. I didn't get a PS3 until 4 months ago. I got a Wii U at launch. Xbox One earlier this year, used, online, from a pawn shop in vegas. Got it for literally $200. Folks really should learn how to bargain shop a bit better.

That being said, I would understand being upset, but I wouldn't be upset at say... Nintendo. I would belike "damnit Sony, damnit Microsoft, why didn't you make an offer for this game". That's who I would be mad at about it. It's Sony and Microsoft's own fault they don't have Bayonetta 2. Microsoft will throw money for Titanfall. Sony will throw money for Destiny exclusive promotion. But they can't throw money for Bayonetta? That's the problem. Not Nintendo. Can't get mad at someone for doing something the companies who consoles I do own didn't want to do anything about.

But yeah, Bayonetta 2 has no excuses. IT really doesn't. Hopefully Nintendo gamers give it a chance. I know I am.

 

[outunderthestars]

Broad strokes? My claim was and is that people seem to care more about sales and not game quality, and the post count in these threads shows exactly that.
No matter what you, or i, say here, the game is a WiiU exclusive, because someone cared to bring it back from the dead, and we can't change that. The game also seems to be awesome, and we can't change that either.
Now if you want to play the game, then you must buy the plastic box that plays it, simple as that, if you don't care about it enough then don't.
Everything else is just an unending circlejerk of frothing brand loyalists that for a little bit more than 2 years now, still can't swallow the fact that the game is not coming to their console of choice.
I said it before and i'll say it again. Consoles are only boxes. What's important is the games they play, so the logical thing is to choose the consoles based on the games you want to play and not the other way around. That's why i go multiplatform, because there are games i want in every playform.
And as Monocle said, purely based on attitude, this game should be supported, and allow me to add, it should be supported even if you don't own the box (yet).

Oh the irony.

 

[Sayter]

Perhaps Nintendo should have invested more money in games that you know...actually move systems and not on games that appeal to a small minority. If they had better third party support, they'd perhaps had sold more systems which would bring more opportunities for further third party support thereby enlarging the userbase even more. Instead they release these games that appeal to tiny subsets of fans and that don't move hardware. It's like they haven't learned anything.

I bought a Wii U because Bayonetta 2 was coming to it exclusively.

 

[Paskil]

That chalkboard anywhere handy?

 

[Aroll]

oh ok

which part did I make up exactly?

Never said you did.

Anyways, as others have said, best not talk about it. I just wasn't going to lie to you or others about it. Honesty is the best policy. I just try to avoid bringing it up directly. I wish there was a true method of tracking over there. Even numbers here and in Japan are not perfect, but at least we have something we can "claim" to trust.

 

[Lernaean]

Oh the irony.

Go on.

 

[digdug2k]

While your post is well meaning and comes from a good place it won't change a thing. One of the drums I keep hearing beat on about Nintendo vs. Third Parties is people don't buy those games on Nintendo systems because they lack polish, they aren't developed exclusively for the system to take advantage of it, etc etc basically a lot of what you are saying. This game here is everything those people say they would buy if but only given the opportunity.

Let's see what happens.

All those people can buy 10 copies of this and it won't make a difference. They're a drop-in-the-bucket of the market, most of which will never open a gaming site or forum. There are a lot of "hardcore" gamers out there that I think would be all up on this if it weren't released on the WiiU. Those guys are assholes. They don't care about good games. They care about some sort of image. They're the reason Madden/COD/Destiny/ShittySequelX sell like gang busters every year. They're the reason that the industry keeps on pushing out the same shit over and over and over. Or they're just "poor" and can only afford one console every gen.

But this will bomb. Everyone knew that the moment it was announced. I have to think Nintendo knew that and just want it because of the slow burn sales/boost to their platform's general game base (i.e. to pick up the sale later of someone who really wants Zelda, but won't buy a console for one game). But maybe they're just dumb and thought they'd grab a sequel to an obscure third party game not designed for their demographic and not on their console last gen and expect it to explode. Either way, it probably won't pay off.

 

[Raziel]

Saddest thing is that this thread is on the top of the first page and the review thread is lost somewhere in page 2.
Proof that 'gamers' today don't care about good games and supporting them, but only care of sales and the resulting dick measuring in the internet. Good going guys.
And just to stay on topic, because some talked about front loaded sales, W101 proved that they are not and actually they have legs.
W101 started as a game sold only to enough people to fill a bus and now has sold to enough to fill a stadium. It still bombed but it had a huge increase over time, and Bayo 2 has sold 8 times this already.

I'd really like to know what anyone is discussing in a review thread.

http://www.metacritic.com/game/wii-u/bayonetta-2

 

[ninjablade]

I didn't, the person I quoted did. I was just was admitting to it. I guess I could lie if that is what this place prefers. I know the site is banned for good reason. But we do get charts for individual countries in Europe at times.

You did mention them, when used there sales numbers as evidence that the wiiu is outselling the x1 on weekly basis.

 

[Aquamarine]

And that's fine and again, I think sales discussions are important. And people like you actually bring some much appreciated knowledge to the table, which is good.

I'm still perplexed as to why the talk of sales seems to dominate more of the forum than discussion of the games themselves, but honestly, maybe I'm wrong and it's not really that way....but it sure seems like it.

A lot of discussion about a game's merits are localised in the OT and review thread of a game...while general industry discussions related to sales are more plentiful.

But any sales predominance is the result of GAF's notoriety. I joined GAF to talk about sales, for instance.

 

[GameAddict411]

it was destined to fail the moment they announced it for the wii-u, it was never a system seller. even nintendo knew this, and this what pisses me off the most.

 

[Ponn]

To be fair, there are a few things working against it.

- Game has a pre-established fanbase on paltforms that are not Nintendo
- Game doesn't fit into the Nintendo stereotype product of games
- The Platinum Touch: Outside of MGR, platinum games haven't sold extremely well. The fact 2 mil in sales for Bayonetta 1 wasn't good enough for Sega to renew for the 2nd says a lot.

I believe in what the guy you quoted was saying: It is basically everything that everyone seems to agree they want from the AAA industry, but it's going to get 100% ignored once it hits the main markets and the games that perpetuate everything we can agree we don;t like will continue to sell like crazy. Because most consumers aren't as aware as we are, and they just buy what they know.

My point was in every third party on Nintendo console thread we hear the same tired regurgitated excuses. This game is everything i have been seeing Nintendo fans asking for and saying they would buy if given the opportunity. While I agree with Monocle in what was posted, especially given my personal taste in gaming and general disinterest in most AAA games, I feel its disingenuous to try and put the onus on Platinum fans only (and i'm not saying thats what Monocle meant but can by construed that way).

There are none of these shallow AAA games people are talking about to dissuade people who own a Wii U from buying this. Except for of course Nintendo games (i'm not saying they are shallow, put the pitchforks away) which really should only be Smash at this point which is coming out later and shouldn't be a factor. I just feel this is going to be a litmus test for what Nintendo gamers really want. No more excuses, either Wii U owners and Nintendo fans really do want games like this or we are going to see a bunch of "well, I was going to get it but you know Smash is coming and i'm still playing Mario Kart soooo"

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

I'd really like to know what anyone is discussing in a review thread.

http://www.metacritic.com/game/wii-u/bayonetta-2

Even when it has many reviews, it will likely not be a very long thread when the scores are all 9s and 10s.

This goes both ways though as I don't think the Destiny review thread would be so popular if the game scored well across the board.

I guess people don't discriminate when they have drama to feed off of.

It's unfortunate.

 

[Aroll]

All those people can buy 10 copies of this and it won't make a difference. They're a drop-in-the-bucket of the market, most of which will never open a gaming site or forum. There are a lot of "hardcore" gamers out there that I think would be all up on this if it weren't released on the WiiU. Those guys are assholes. They don't care about good games. They care about some sort of image. They're the reason Madden/COD/Destiny/ShittySequelX sell like gang busters every year. They're the reason that the industry keeps on pushing out the same shit over and over and over. Or they're just "poor" and can only afford one console every gen.

But this will bomb. Everyone knew that the moment it was announced. I have to think Nintendo knew that and just want it because of the slow burn sales/boost to their platform's general game base (i.e. to pick up the sale later of someone who really wants Zelda, but won't buy a console for one game). But maybe they're just dumb and thought they'd grab a sequel to an obscure third party game not designed for their demographic and not on their console last gen and expect it to explode. Either way, it probably won't pay off.

Hey, I buy madden every year, but point taken. I'm also getting Bayonetta 2 and have never played the 1st. The 2nd is getting good reviews, the first did as well, and I have a feeling I am going to enjoy branching out in this case.

But yeah... the only sort of deal that might have possibly been thought of as "man, that will sell" would have been Nintendo trying to buy back something like Banjo and Kazooie and then attempting to craft a game for it.

At the end of the day, there isn't much Nintendo can buy that will make people buy a Wii U - you either like playing the games it has or you don't. Not buying it becuase it's "not the cool thing" instead of basing it entirely on whether it has good games or not is what upsets me.

 

[Lernaean]

I'd really like to know what anyone is discussing in a review thread.

Nothing much, only that Edge gave it a perfect score.

 

[Dicer]

it was destined to fail the moment they announced it for the wii-u, it was never a system seller. even nintendo knew this, and this what pisses me off the most. it could've done much more if they managed to release it on other consoles, especially next gen. now the IP will be dead permanently because of its really poor sales.

It WAS dead, until NINTENDO funded it...

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

It WAS dead, until NINTENDO funded it...

It's almost like they know this but their subconscious is still telling them to lash out.

 

[GameAddict411]

It WAS dead, until NINTENDO funded it...

anyone could have funded it, i guess nintendo approached them pretty fast? or they took their offer because it was generous? who knows, but the original didn't sell so bad for it to be dead permanently. it was viewed very positively in the gaming community, it might have gotten some funding if they waited for sometime. just look at how much someone raised to make a salad at a crowdfunding website lol.

 

[exfatal]

Im a nintendo fan and own a wii u and ps3. I thought this game was aimed at me.. but others here are saying its not due to Japaneses sales?... hmmm is the game out yet and i just dont know about it?

 

[Dreavus]

It WAS dead, until NINTENDO funded it...

Bound to happen at least once in a Bayonetta 2 thread. It's the gift that keeps on giving. Nintendo saving the IP from oblivion somehow = missing out on a magical multi-platform release that would never happen in the first place.

 

[Phamit]

anyone could have funded it, i guess nintendo approached them pretty fast? or they took their offer because it was generous? who knows, but the original didn't sell so bad for it to be dead permanently. it was viewed very positively in the gaming community, it might have gotten some funding if they waited for sometime. just look at how much someone raised to make a salad at a crowdfunding website lol.

Like Shenmue 3 right?

 

[Lernaean]

anyone could have funded it, i guess nintendo approached them pretty fast? or they took their offer because it was generous? who knows, but the original didn't sell so bad for it to be dead permanently. it was viewed very positively in the gaming community, it might have gotten some funding if they waited for sometime. just look at how much someone raised to make a salad at a crowdfunding website lol.

Actually you should get your facts straight. Sega canned the project, it was brought back to life because of Nintendo. It wasn't struggling, it was cancelled.
Also this is a stealth port beg, which is frowned upon.

 

[ninjablade]

It WAS dead, until NINTENDO funded it...

Thats true, The franchise was always destined to fail, it's not because of Nintendo, the sequel would have never been made if it wasn't for them, but it's mainly cause of the art style and character design, it never had a chance to be a great seller.

 

[Bronetta]

anyone could have funded it, i guess nintendo approached them pretty fast? or they took their offer because it was generous? who knows, but the original didn't sell so bad for it to be dead permanently. it was viewed very positively in the gaming community, it might have gotten some funding if they waited for sometime. just look at how much someone raised to make a salad at a crowdfunding website lol.

It's just like when you have a crush on a really cute girl for months and you always think of the best possible scenario to ask her out but then some douchebag swoops in to steal your girl from right under your nose.

Is that what Nintendo did? Are they the douchebag jock who stole Bayonetta 2 from good guys Sony and Microsoft who it should have rightfully belonged to?

 

[Popnbake]

now those with Wii Us......I am less soft on. Wii U owners need to start supporting some non Nintendo games dammit. Bayonetta doesn't have any of the typical excuses this time. just do it.

If those Wii U owners have no interest in the non Nintendo games like B2 then you can't really expect them to support it.

 

[Aquamarine]

now those with Wii Us......I am less soft on. Wii U owners need to start supporting some non Nintendo games dammit. Bayonetta doesn't have any of the typical excuses this time. just do it.

It's funny because, according to Nintendo, Bayonetta 2 IS a Nintendo game...just contracted out like many of their other 1st-party games (like Mario & Sonic, Mario Tennis, Mario Golf, Mario Party, Pokemon, Kirby, Fire Emblem, etc.)

 

[pinkurocket]

It's just like when you have a crush on a really cute girl for months and you always think of the best possible scenario to ask her out but then some douchebag swoops in to steal your girl from right under your nose.

Is that what Nintendo did? Are they the douchebag jock who stole Bayonetta 2 from good guys Sony and Microsoft who it should have rightfully belonged to?

 

[PensivePen]

If you're not personally supporting your favorite game developer by purchasing thousands of copies, what kind of fan are you anyway?

 

[Ponn]

It's funny because, according to Nintendo, Bayonetta 2 IS a Nintendo game...just contracted out like many of their other 1st-party games (like Mario & Sonic, Mario Tennis, Mario Golf, Mario Party, Pokemon, Kirby, Fire Emblem, etc.)

I mean, are we talking semantics of 1st, 2nd party developers or are you really trying to insinuate Bayonetta is now a recognizable Nintendo character in the same stable as Mario, Kirby and Pikachu?

 

[Gaiaknight]

to those comparing it to the first games sales bayonette 2 only had 1 day on the market in its debut week since it released on a saturday. How many days was the original on sale for in its debut week?

 

[IsntChrisL]

anyone could have funded it, i guess nintendo approached them pretty fast? or they took their offer because it was generous? who knows, but the original didn't sell so bad for it to be dead permanently. it was viewed very positively in the gaming community, it might have gotten some funding if they waited for sometime. just look at how much someone raised to make a salad at a crowdfunding website lol.

Whatever you gotta tell yourself to justify your feelings about this I guess. But you must know by now that you're wrong. This game was NOT going to happen before Nintendo. Nobody was racing to slap money on the table for Platinum to finish their sequel.

 

[Raeshawn]

A kind of funny thing to me is we often hear laments about the death of the mid-tier game and the "misguided" need for every game that's not an indie title to sell 10 million. Resulting in watered down content that avoids offending the lowest common denominator of game player.

Games like Bayonetta are the mid tier game of yore that's vanished. These games never had "mass appeal" as mass appeal is defined today. Bayonetta 1, with the advantage of a large mutliplatform userbase, sold a bit over 1 million. By historical standards (such as the PS2 era) that's not a flop for its genre. Such games were rarely multi-million titles. Only huge brands like Devil May Cry and God of War could do it.

Sometimes it does feel as if the average game watcher has been swept away by the grandiose, contemporary salesmanship of the industry itself, where games that do not become global cultural phenomenons (or are at least marketed as such) are seen as failures wasting everyone's time.

Yesssss. Great post. Every game that doesn't sell over a million is a failure around here.

Anybody who was actually a fan of Bayo knew it's not a system seller or going to be a big hit. Nintendo even knows. I wish people would stop being manipulated by these other big companies and realize these inflated expectations for everything isn't healthy and should stop.

 

[iamaustrian]

anyone could have funded it, i guess nintendo approached them pretty fast? or they took their offer because it was generous? who knows, but the original didn't sell so bad for it to be dead permanently. it was viewed very positively in the gaming community, it might have gotten some funding if they waited for sometime. just look at how much someone raised to make a salad at a crowdfunding website lol.

jesus christ, let it be.

I cannot believe people are STILL butthurt that Nintendo fucking saved a game from going to hell.

 

[atr0cious]

I'm just happy this ridiculous game exists.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Bayo 2 was the reason for my Wii U purchase. I doubt there are an extravagant amount of people who have done the same, but there are a decent bunch of us anecdotally. I am going to do my best to enjoy the hell out of this game.

 

[Aquamarine]

I mean, are we talking semantics of 1st, 2nd party developers or are you really trying to insinuate Bayonetta is now a recognizable Nintendo character in the same stable as Mario, Kirby and Pikachu?

I'm just talking about what "Nintendo" considers their 1st-party lineup in terms of corporate strategy.

Bayonetta 2 is fully funded by Nintendo. Bayonetta 2 is distributed by Nintendo. Bayonetta 2 is localised by Nintendo. Bayonetta 2 is marketed by Nintendo. Pretty much all of the profit made from the game goes to Nintendo. So, Nintendo considers it a 1st-party game.

Mario Tennis is fully funded by Nintendo. Mario Tennis is distributed by Nintendo. Mario Tennis is localised by Nintendo. Mario Tennis is marketed by Nintendo. Pretty much all of the profit made from the game goes to Nintendo. So, Nintendo considers it a 1st-party game.

Mario Kart is fully funded by Nintendo. Mario Kart is distributed by Nintendo. Mario Kart is localised by Nintendo. Mario Kart is marketed by Nintendo. Pretty much all of the profit made from the game goes to Nintendo. So, Nintendo considers it a 1st-party game.


It's similar to Geist, Eternal Darkness, and other obscure, mature titles that Nintendo considers "1st-party." Of course it's not a recognisable Nintendo IP...that's the point. It seems like a "non-Nintendo" game but really it's quite the opposite.

So when people say "Nintendo fans need to buy more non-Nintendo games" in relation to Bayonetta 2, it's the opposite. They need to support Nintendo even more!