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[nicoga3000]

fuck it's not that big a deal. if you don't want the shader, the class items, the rare weapons, the legendary sniper, or the legendary armor for another character, then you shouldn't care about it. move on.

For folks like me who don't roll alts (I dismantled the legendary Titan helm and Hunter arms I found), the event IS pretty shitty. Bungie made a big deal about this event, and the reason I was at all excited about it was for the shards to upgrade the gear I found running strike after strike after strike.

And what rare weapons? The sniper? Well, since the chances of getting any given piece of gear are 1 in 8-10 (or however many pieces of stuff you can get), AND since the garbage I get otherwise is worthless now, I feel pretty upset. No desire to participate in the first major "event" Bungie puts on for their game. I should be excited to join in the festivities, not frustrated that there's a great chance I'll get nothing in return.

 

[Sojgat]

Glad to see Scout Rifles are going to be getting a boost! I mean, I'm content with how they are now and feel I'm pretty good with them already, but I guess more powerful can't hurt.

seems like a dumb decision to me. I already dominate with my Cryptic Dragon, if that thing gets a damage boost there would be not point in using any other weapon. Honestly, it's probably OP as it is.

 

[Marcel]

before you discard all quessn's bounty, dont forget that kill order missions can also reward you with legendard weapons. My frd just got a legendary queen's themed sniper from it.

That's the only weapon. One. No guarantee you'll get it either. I got three helmets which turned into something useful. Anyone hoarding the items now is basically a garbage collector, lol.

 

[Alucrid]

I don't get why people keep saying they are going to fix the engrams/cryptarch. My read on those notes is they are going to fix how the game communicates how shitty they are, not make them better.



To me that says they want to make it clear that it isn't loot identification, but a "grab bag" of loot. Not change the system.

then why say "Expect to see changes to address this soon" changes to what then if he was just clarifying how it works

 

[Finalow]

OT4 lasted only six days. That's downright impressive.

more like it's a downright mess and we need 2 separate threads.

but nope, let's keep the OTs coming.

 

[ced]

Stoked that the result of the loot cave is that they are going to increase the rewards for completing objectives.

I think they said "soon", so not right now. How soon is soon though?

 

[Fixed1979]

So all we get is a "Soon™" in our faces. Well, call me back when the updates they promised are made. I'm done, I don't have the time to play 30 hours in a week and the cave was the only thing I could do to get loot in 1-2 hours.

I'll send you a PM.

 

[eznark]

Lmao. Right.

Where'd you see this?

Expect changes soon which decrease the efficiency of cave farming and correspondingly increase engram drops from completing activities.

I mean, I guess they could be lying.

 

[ExVicis]

Uh, what? I did the weekly heroic on level 28 and got 9 strange coins, some marks and some rep. Nightfall is basically guaranteed to give legendaries/exotics......?

It's not, yesterday on Nightfall I received 8 Strange Coins and nothing else. For all the effort I put into it I got less than the weekly. That makes no sense in a risk-reward incentive.

 

[Hawkian]

So now that loot cave is nerfed, what's a not-quite-level-21 supposed to do to get to level 21 and beyond?

You want to do some of the Queen's missions right now for a shot at the legendary Helm and Chest, which will put you well beyond. You'll need help and this thread is a fucking mess right now. I'd PM you to offer my services right now but I'm at work. Once you've done some of her bounties, try www.destinylfg.net for groups for the missions.

Lmao. Right.

Where'd you see this?

jesus

 

[Sanke__]

Xur better have some good stuff this weekend period.

If he doesnt have something for a voidwalker warlock, i might snap

 

[Reluctant-Hero]

I don't get why people keep saying they are going to fix the engrams/cryptarch. My read on those notes is they are going to fix how the game communicates how shitty they are, not make them better.



To me that says they want to make it clear that it isn't loot identification, but a "grab bag" of loot. Not change the system.

Yup, that's how I read it too. Basically, we still will be at the mercy of RNG.

 

[JohnOfMars]

Strike list until you're 24, vendor gear will get you to 27.

Buy an exotic armor from Xur and you get to 29.

 

[DjRalford]

So is there some kind of wonky delay/lag when meleeing in the crucible. I keep using melee only to have the person not die until like 2 seconds after i knife them which usually ends up with them getting a hit in on me before they die sometimes killing me.

Yeah I've had tonnes on post mortem awards as my melee registers after I died. Gets a tad annoying as every kill seems to have that 1 second of lag.

 

[Death Metalist]

I feel for the players who just recently started playing. Bungie, if you want people to play normally then for the love of all that is holy, update the game for better drops in strike playlists(Daily/Weekly). All I ever get is some glimmer and a stupid triangle ASS OF GLASS ITEM and there goes my queen tokens lol I was hoping I could collect ascendant shards this way but I guess not so fuck it.

 

[Xamtheking]

Jesus fucking christ GAF, we are blowing through threads here
And Iron Banner isn't even up yet

 

[MagicWithEarvin]

pls based bungie

the fact that I have to put myself in harms way to throw a fist of havoc while a warlock can just throw a nova bomb and have the same effect isn't balanced

Headstrong and superman punch makes you pretty hard to kill, and the range on it is pretty good.

 

[computers putin']

You can't break down the legendaries from queens wrath to shards anymore? That literally kills all of the excitement I had to do those missions now. My time with this game might be coming to an end soon, I've tried to find the magic I found during the beta but it isn't coming, this game has too many issues.

 

[WarWolf]

nah ARs were horrible in beta. At least all the ones I used there. Don't think I had a Shinigen, Gallahad, Hushwind, or any other 'namebrand' AR back in beta though so it is highly possible I have no clue what I'm talking bout

http://www.bungie.net/7_Update-101---Patch-Notes/en/News/News?aid=12125

Assault Rifles

Reduced the base Damage of all Assault Rifles by 7%
Reduced the base Accuracy ranges by [14% to 25%], modified by weapon stat
Reduced the base Stability ranges by [8% to 80%], modified by weapon stat

 

[ColEx]

Promising looking dev notes from Bungie on the news feed, but I'm disappointed they didn't address matchmaking for other game modes. It still early days though.

 

[backflip10019]

We need a title update:

Destiny |OT5| Cave Caved-In, Only Buy Legendary

 

[patchday]

LOL at your username

Oh yeah right I forgot about that haha.

 

[Irnbru]

Rahool threw me a bone today in honor of the new thread.

That's my baby right there... Mmm Mmm so good

 

[chippy13]

Maybe Bungie should implement match making on the fucking weekly strikes now since they have taken the one way that I was planning on getting some damn shards. No way am I going to be able to pick them up going solo.

 

[DY_nasty]

I mean, I guess they could be lying.

they already lied about their intent before when they said that they were reducing the majors in some of the hive missions to 'reduce difficulty'

 

[AmateurHour212]

So now that loot cave is nerfed, what's a not-quite-level-21 supposed to do to get to level 21 and beyond?

I'm at level 27 now and I never receive anything from the loot cave of any value. Granted, I barely spent any time there. I have about 40 hours spent on the game in total I'll guess that there are some that have spent more time on the game and have less because they were shooting into the cave.

You want to get up in rank? Daily mission, weekly strike, strike playlist on max level (bring high level friends), public events, bounties, and patrol missions.

 

[BreezyLimbo]

Can someone please explain this point of view to me? Doesn't every game determine, to some degree or another, how the players can play it? I really don't understand this line of reasoning.

Topics moving fast but-

A game shouldn't hinder you if you choose to play it one way instead of another. Just because you enjoy farming a cave, doesn't mean they should completely destroy that way.

I like bringing up WoW but....it's the truth, Destiny wants to be an MMO with their faction grinding, Daily missions, gear grades...so..I bring up WoW which is in many ways alike it and not alike it.

So in WoW, the first thing you do is level up. Now how do you wanna do that? You can Quest. You can Dungeon. You can Grind mobs. You can catch animals and do pokemon battles to level up. You can do PvP. You can mine for experience or level using another profession. You can do all these things equally-Sure, some are faster than others, but you have the choice.

What Bungie did today, is akin to Blizzard saying 'Ok We're going to stop you from getting experience from killing monsters, and you can't get honor points from low level battlegrounds anymore(IE You can't grind the cave, or get ascendant shards from Queens Gear, two analogies/metaphors what have you.). There would be an outrage if blizzard did that, and even Blizzard would think it's stupid.

That is choice. You can play WoW how you want, and Blizzard isn't going to say 'That's not the way we meant you to play it, so we're going to remove this option.'

Bungie is doing the opposite. "Well we didn't want you to play like this, so we're going to castrate that form of farming." You can still do it to some capacity(The cave), but Bungie is punishing your time. It's....not cool. It's suffocating in a sense. They promised us an open world, they promised us building our Legends the way we wanted. Now they're limiting those choices.

 

[Defect]

Queen's Wrath dismantling was not an exploit lmao.

You did the bounty and the mission and got a legendary. That's on Bungie. What are you going to do with 10+ Helmets? Now maybe going to orbit constantly to get Restoration is something that shouldn't happen but I wouldn't call that an exploit either.

Now if they really wanted to nerf the Queen ascendant materials, they should have just made it give out 1 or nothing randomly.

 

[Marcel]

I feel for the players who just recently started playing. Bungie, if you want people to play normally then for the love of all that is holy, update the game for better drops in strike playlists(Daily/Weekly). All I ever get is some glimmer and a stupid triangle ASS OF GLASS ITEM and there goes my queen tokens lol I was hoping I could collect ascendant shards this way but I guess not so fuck it.

The Emissary disapproves, of course.

LOL. Someone give me or this guy the tag "ASS OF GLASS". Thanks.

 

[Strider]

It's not, yesterday on Nightfall I received 8 Strange Coins and nothing else. For all the effort I put into it I got less than the weekly. That makes no sense in a risk-reward incentive.

Yea this doesnt make sense. If strange coins is a reward for the nightfall that's fine, but it should obviously be more than the weekly heroic. 12-13 seems right.

 

[ethomaz]

Another interesting part...

Not all our Exotic Weapons currently live up to this promise. In particular those weapons received from completing exotic bounties including Thorn and Bad Juju have disappointed many of us who have gone through the great effort to obtain them because, despite looking and sounding amazing, they feel underpowered. We're here to offer some advice: don't shard those guns. Their time will come.

So we will use these Exotic Weapons to something else and better?

And AR, Shotgun and Scout Rifles balance... thanks the master Fusion will stay the same.

 

[patchday]

http://www.bungie.net/7_Update-101---Patch-Notes/en/News/News?aid=12125

Thank you. It appears I was simply horrible in beta then

 

[FrankT]

Maybe Bungie should implement match making on the fucking weekly strikes now since they have taken the one way that I was planning on getting some damn shards. No way am I going to be able to pick them up going solo.

This should and could have been easily done.

 

[gutterboy44]

then why say "Expect to see changes to address this soon" changes to what then if he was just clarifying how it works

Because there is no indication of how the Cryptarch works in game. That is what it seems like they want to address. They seem to double down on explaining why they think the current Cryptarch system is more fun. They just want to make it clear that it is a grab bag system, in the game, not just in dev notes and message boards.

 

[Hawkian]

I feel for the players who just recently started playing. Bungie, if you want people to play normally then for the love of all that is holy, update the game for better drops in strike playlists(Daily/Weekly). All I ever get is some glimmer and a stupid triangle ASS OF GLASS ITEM and there goes my queen tokens lol I was hoping I could collect ascendant shards this way but I guess not so fuck it.

players who just started playing have a much easier route to 26 than players who started playing at launch because of the Queen's Wrath event.

 

[KINGofCRA5H]

1k+ posts in just over 2 hours. Man.

 

[Alucrid]

Topics moving fast but-

A game shouldn't hinder you if you choose to play it one way instead of another. Just because you enjoy farming a cave, doesn't mean they should completely destroy that way.

I like bringing up WoW but....it's the truth, Destiny wants to be an MMO with their faction grinding, Daily missions, gear grades...so..I bring up WoW which is in many ways alike it and not alike it.

So in WoW, the first thing you do is level up. Now how do you wanna do that? You can Quest. You can Dungeon. You can Grind mobs. You can catch animals and do pokemon battles to level up. You can do PvP. You can mine for experience or level using another profession. You can do all these things equally-Sure, some are faster than others, but you have the choice.

What Bungie did today, is akin to Blizzard saying 'Ok We're going to stop you from getting experience from killing monsters, and you can't get honor points from low level battlegrounds anymore(IE You can't grind the cave, or get ascendant shards from Queens Gear, two analogies/metaphors what have you.). There would be an outrage if blizzard did that, and even Blizzard would think it's stupid.

That is choice. You can play WoW how you want, and Blizzard isn't going to say 'That's not the way we meant you to play it, so we're going to remove this option.'

Bungie is doing the opposite. "Well we didn't want you to play like this, so we're going to castrate that form of farming." You can still do it to some capacity(The cave), but Bungie is punishing your time. It's....not cool. It's suffocating in a sense. They promised us an open world, they promised us building our Legends the way we wanted. Now they're limiting those choices.

again, nerfing the cave isnt destroying you being able to farm for loot. plenty of other areas to do that in

 

[jett]

Yeah, I was actually surprised at people getting so upset about 200 headshots. Handcannons give more headshots than body shots.



This is the best thing I can say about Bungie as well. They're listening, and they acknowledge they have their work cut out for them.

Shit, they're already better than Bioware.

They're "listening", and instead of fixing their loot game, they just made the game grindier for everyone, while making their "free" Queen "missions" utterly pointless to the vast majority. I say this as someone that didn't farm the cave. They should've released this patch alongside with the actual loot fix.

 

[JoeFenix]

These changes sound pretty good, gives me hope that they're not completely clueless.

The weapon balance between the archetypes is completely busted right now, these changes should help even things out. I love how there's no mention of the pulse rifles though, I sometimes forget those things even exist, no one EVER uses them.

 

[wsoxfan1214]

I mean, I guess they could be lying.

So... Only one came so far.

Cool, bungie.

 

[JetBlackPanda]

more like it's a downright mess and we need 2 separate threads.

but nope, let's keep the OTs coming.

two threads for what? I am here everyday and its not a mess. The review thread was canceled only a few days ago.

 

[PhatSaqs]

The funny thing about the AR nerf is that we knew they were OP in the goddamn Alpha lol.

 

[Revolutionary]

fuck it's not that big a deal. if you don't want the shader, the class items, the rare weapons, the legendary sniper, or the legendary armor for another character, then you shouldn't care about it. move on.

How is not receiving GUARANTEED ascendant shards for your efforts in a game where you can only get a small amount RANDOM ascendant materials in a single day not a big deal?

 

[DY_nasty]

nah ARs were horrible in beta. At least all the ones I used there. Don't think I had a Shinigen, Gallahad, Hushwind, or any other 'namebrand' AR back in beta though so it is highly possible I have no clue what I'm talking bout

yeahhhh no

ARs were godlike in the beta. glad dude posted the day 1 patch notes

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

Buy an exotic armor from Xur and you get to 29.

You need shards for that, level 27 is free.

Might get to 28 with the exotic tho.

 

[Afrocious]

players who just started playing have a much easier route to 26 than players who started playing at launch because of the Queen's Wrath event.

Which, unfortunately, is temporary.

 

[ExVicis]

Also I notice it didn't quite say what the engram fix was gonna be. Did anyone else not notice that vague wording? I'm thinking they're not gonna change the Legendary rate off Purple Engrams, I think they're gonna find something else to change and disappoint us all.

 

[NastyBook]

WORST BIRTHDAY EVER. THANKS A LOT BUNGIE.

You, too, huh? Just woke up to this shit. Was sitting on 2 or 3 Queen's missions. The missions don't give Queen marks, do they? So then there's absolutely NO reason to do them. Will just do with the bounties, raise the marks, then scrap the missions.

Get fucked, Bungie.

Destiny B-Day video. Guy made it too easy.

 

[BannedEpisode]

Stoked that the result of the loot cave is that they are going to increase the rewards for completing objectives.

Agreed. Natural conclusion.

 

[inki]

So now that loot cave is nerfed, what's a not-quite-level-21 supposed to do to get to level 21 and beyond?

Farm Vanguard and/or Crucible Marks to purchase legendarys from the vendors. I hit a little wall at 21, got enough marks and was up to 25 in 6-8 hours of play.