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[Icyflamez96]

WTF @ the scumbags who attacked Dax

 

[ak1276]

On top of that there's a ton of misunderstanding, confusion, or outright false complaints about the way loot and progression function in the game. A lot of that is on Bungie, they fucked up by not laying out progression clearly, but the information is out there, if you care to look for it.

I find it hard to give the majority of the blame to Bungie for those misunderstandings. Like you said, the information is READILY available; if someone neglects to do research, that's on them, not the company.

 

[ButchCassidy386]

Absolutely no point in doing queens missions now. I already have all legendary gear so all I need is shards. The gear you get from queen marks is terrible as well.

 

[Warnen]

For the love of God 5 Queen Wrath Mission and 5 fucking robes for my warlock! My brother has gotten 3 helmets and 2 chest plate. WTF!!!


Make sure you patch it so they are totally worthless...

 

[Marcel]

Yeah, but almost everyone knew what they were getting was a hot good when they traded for it.

I had a spread needle. I traded some claw that I had and couldn't equip for it.

But I knew what was up.

I think most of the 'false positives' in that wipe were just grousers or people who traded for hot goods.

Either way, it was the right call by Sega because a loot grind game where everyone has access to all the best loot way too easily isn't much of a game.

It was the only call to make considering the economy was flooded with dupes. I'm not sure it was "right". Thankfully, Destiny doesn't have this type of economy where it can be that easily exploited. It has no economy at all really, which is what makes Bungie's statements about the economy in their developer notes puzzling to me.

 

[everyday math]

if we had custom games enabled I would forgive Bungie for everything they did wrong.
Not that they care at all, but you get my point.

 

[Xamtheking]

Got this from engram, good thing I'm hunter...

...oh wait a second! :b

You got a Legendary drop from a Legendary Engram
Be content with your lot

if we had custom games enabled I would forgive Bungie for everything they did wrong.

What if the custom games
A. Didn't count towards Bounties
B. Didn't give loot
C. Didn't give XP
?
Would you still be happy then?
(The things I mention are just because otherwise you could exploit custom games)

 

[Bizazedo]

More confusion and misunderstanding.

You aren't going to get one shot in iron banner if you're lower level. The scaling won't be anywhere near as harsh as it is in pve.

And given that you can get within 2 levels of cap with minimal pain, yeah. Not much reason to panic.

Irrelevant. It's still an advantage / disadvantage. I was spreading no FUD, I was merely pointing out that it matters. And for people who care about PvP / Iron Banner and will grind for even a 1% advantage,it matters.

It's okay if it doesn't to you, but saying that 28 is good enough is pure opinion and ignores other game modes / feelings.

 

[cpp_is_king]

I'll miss the cave the most because it was an excellent way to level up weapons.

 

[someday]

You mean you don't like random adolescent males telling you what they did/will do to your mother/sister? Can't imagine why...

I'm a woman too; they'll be saying they'll do it to me...

But, in truth, I can just mute and report shitheads. I really am more concerned with the atmosphere of the game changing once it happens. Right now it's a safe haven of sorts and while there are times that I wish I could chat with the really cool guardian who stuck it out in the awful strike when our third ditched us, I imagine that will be short-lived once he calls me a bitch or some shit lol

 

[CloudyTuba]

The question here is:

What is wrong with Bungie?

Theyre more concerned with us playing the game "right" than us actually having a good time. Priorities arent in order and it's going to kill the game in a few months.

Gotta let their baby grow into what it wants to be, not force it into what they wish it was! Cant force people to have fun.

 

[DY_nasty]

More confusion and misunderstanding.

You aren't going to get one shot in iron banner if you're lower level. The scaling won't be anywhere near as harsh as it is in pve.

And given that you can get within 2 levels of cap with minimal pain, yeah. Not much reason to panic.

I am not ready to believe this at all.I don't even know why you'd say something like this.

 

[Union Carbine]

All I know is my usual fireteam group has been making steady progress at leveling, and the Queen's Bounty legendaries helped all of us - but we haven't been rushing or farming - just playing strikes and the dailies and doing bounties - because dammit the game is still fun ;p

I'm not sure what Bungie intends as far as gathering materials though - so we've just made a point of picking up what we can whenever we run a strike - when we move between the landing zone and the start of the mission.

That's pretty much been my approach as well. And as long as I enjoy it, I'll keep doing it.

 

[Croc]

Anyone up for the weekly heroic strike lv. 28 on PS4?

PSN is CrocomirePrime

Preferably level 27's or 28's.

 

[Lee]

You think people doing high level raids are doing it for the random engram drops? Pretty definetively nope.

Meant strikes. Higher level strikes. My bad.

 

[RiverKwai]

the Queen's Wraith exploit

Can we not call this an "exploit"?

The game was behaving as they programmed it to. Legendary armor breaks down into ascendant mats. It's not like the Queens missions didn't take time or effort to get through them.

 

[Malalaw]

I'll miss the cave the most because it was an excellent way to level up weapons.

Same. I maxed out my Bladedancer there too. It was nice.

 

[commish]

Saw this on reddit, might be old, but I love it:

http://gfycat.com/OffbeatLoathsomeCricket

 

[Sothpaw]

Shit I don't even know what to do in this game besides the loot cave.

 

[JohnOfMars]

You should be running missions on the easiest difficulty now. Since it's been confirmed that even a legendary engram can drop from a level 1 there is no point to running heroic missions. Also since the new hotfix today, if you die - your chances of getting an engram drop is lesser. More kills per minute and no deaths = more chance at loot.

FYI, Diablo 3 is the same way. And Bungie said they're going to be improving activity rewards.

Also, the engram drop nerf after wiping is just for a short time:

Reduced drop rate of engrams following a hard wipe [fixed in 1.0.1.4]
*Clarification: This effect only lasts for a short period of time immediately following a hard wipe

 

[Coins]

Is anyone entirely sure that Destiny isn't the game that Jay Wilson was moved to under Activision?

I'm just asking.

 

[diablos991]

I'll miss the cave the most because it was an excellent way to level up weapons.

The moon mission or venus kill farm is way better for exp.

 

[commish]

Anyone up for the weekly heroic strike lv. 28 on PS4?

PSN is CrocomirePrime

Preferably level 27's or 28's.

I am in about 30 minutes.

 

[AmateurHour212]

No you aren't. Daily story mission gives ascended mats and can be done on each of your characters. Same for daily public event mail. Same for daily public event completions.

The amount of materials needed to reach level 28 isn't particularly large. Unless you're pushing all your gear to 29 (why?), you don't need a ton of shards.

On top of that, I'm not sure people have realized that higher attack does precisely fuckall for you against enemies of a lower level, it helps if you're fighting higher level enemies.

Or to put it another way, if you're blowing all your energy and shards upgrading all your weapons and armor, you're wasting them for no good reason.

Armor in particular should only be capped if it is either a) raid armor that goes to 30 light or b) you're pushing to hit 29 so you can do the hard mode raid.

Otherwise you can reach 28 reasonably easily (especially easily now that queen is giving you free chest/helm, that means you need a whopping 65 marks or 130 marks to cap out in armor depending on what xur has for you).

Once you're 28 you can do the weekly nightfall easily, and all other existing content outside the hard mode raid without trouble.

If you want to do the hard mode raid right now, then yeah, you're going to have to triple farm dailies and weeklies with three capped characters, but for literally any other content in the game, you do not need to do so (and frankly, doing daily and weekly events on three different classes sounds a hell of a lot more fun to me than farming engrams, ymmv).

The sheer amount of misinformation and FUD being talked in this thread is unreal, I think I'm going to take a hiatus for a few days until things calm down or we get a dedicated gameplay talk thread in community or something.

There's very little point in attempting to ask or answer gameplay questions in the OT when the majority of posts are throwaway rants that we've seen posted literally hundreds of times.

On top of that there's a ton of misunderstanding, confusion, or outright false complaints about the way loot and progression function in the game. A lot of that is on Bungie, they fucked up by not laying out progression clearly, but the information is out there, if you care to look for it.

Hell, a lot of the information is right here in linked posts in these threads, but again, it's drowned out by the noise.

You stop it. You and your well-thought out, logical response. There's no room for that here right now.

No seriously, this thread has gone way off the rails. There literally is no room for you here right now. I'm out of here for the next few days as well and hope to return to see less of the bitching, moaning, and problem re-hashing. I won't hold my breath.

 

[Alucrid]

Meant strikes. Higher level strikes. My bad.

no one does them anyways because they have the same chance to drop engrams as anything else

 

[Orayn]

I guess slowing down is one way to look at it. Personally, 26 and up is a different kind of game from 24-25, 20-24, and leveling from 1-20. At 26, you're given a ton of freedom to do whatever, such as do VoG with a dedicated team. Or you could stick with getting rep, which is now easier due to the nightfall giving 500 a week which is a significant boost coupled with the amount of bounties you get a day.

As someone who's 27-28 (depends on my gear) and who's able to find good people to play with, the game still kinda shows promise. I'm not digging how loot works in general in this game, but at least the Raid is the best PvE content and I made it.

I agree for the most part, but the "different game" aspect is also kind of throwing people for a loop, since increasing your level sort of implies a linear, consistent process. Bungie did an okay-ish job of communicating that the process changes after 20 with Light, but the path to actually progressing further can be sort of murky. It also has its own internal gating mechanisms that aren't communicated very well, like the stuff around 26 that we're discussing right now.

Sorta makes me wish Bungie had made light into a clearly separate endgame-content-level instead of an extension of normal levels, like paragon in Diablo III or Torment Resistance in GW2.

 

[Afrocious]

Damn the thread moves fast. Anyone got thoughts on this? :3

I read your post but forgot to respond about it. I agree that some sort of actual loot table would be nice considering how the game doesn't dole loot out like Diablo or Borderlands.

I think the idea of missions are underutilized. Yeah, they're used for the Queen kill list, but we could use more. Perhaps a whole mission questline could be implemented to get people a guaranteed set of purple gear?

 

[DY_nasty]

Saw this on reddit, might be old, but I love it:

http://gfycat.com/OffbeatLoathsomeCricket

lol that is amazing

 

[Navy Bean]

I'll miss the cave the most because it was an excellent way to level up weapons.

No kidding - I only got one legendary (lol, rare shoes) but it leveled weapons really fast.

 

[Goodacre0081]

Welp this is it, don't think I'll ever do any better than this. Managed to get a 15 kill streak out of that.

matchmaking seems spot on here.

 

[hydruxo]

Can we not call this an "exploit"?

The game was behaving as they programmed it to. Legendary armor breaks down into ascendant mats. It's not like the Queens missions didn't take time or effort to get through them.

Exactly.

Bungie made it so that they gave ascendant mats, and knew full well that you'd be awarded legendaries every time you completed a QW mission. I'm still baffled at how they didn't put it together that higher level players would use that to their advantage.

 

[Norns]

Is anyone entirely sure that Destiny isn't the game that Jay Wilson was moved to under Activision?

I'm just asking.

Titan. The game that was canceled by blizzard.

 

[Fee]

Absolutely no point in doing queens missions now. I already have all legendary gear so all I need is shards. The gear you get from queen marks is terrible as well.

The vendor used for the queen's event is also tied into the first two DLC, while after you get the 4 drops from missions you probably shouldn't do them anymore, you should still do the bounties at least until you are level 3 reputation. I have a pretty good feeling more rewards are going to be added.

 

[LuchaShaq]

Does mark bought gear still disenchant into shards???

 

[VaultBoy101]

It's not our fault that it really is a small game trying to be big.

This is the most succinct summary of Destiny that I've read in some time.

A part of me is glad they nerfed the Queen's rewards, that's one less thing I feel like I need to get done each day (across 3 characters, no less).

I've felt myself getting very burned out on this game and its repetitious grind for the past several days. The fact that it's going to be even harder now to get the materials I need doesn't make me want to play more, Bungie.

Oh well, on to the September 30 game releases and beyond. This one's done.

 

[Alucrid]

Does mark bought gear still disenchant into shards???

yes it does

 

[_woLf]

Shit I don't even know what to do in this game besides the loot cave.

You could always do Queens Missions for --wait.

Or you could do the moon mission for engr--wait.

Well, have fun playing the same story missions over and over again. Or, you could just simply afk in pvp matches, get the lowest score in the game and get legendaries and exotics (because Bungie is clearly okay with that!)

 

[Respect]

I'm a woman too; they'll be saying they'll do it to me...

But, in truth, I can just mute and report shitheads. I really am more concerned with the atmosphere of the game changing once it happens. Right now it's a safe haven of sorts and while there are times that I wish I could chat with the really cool guardian who stuck it out in the awful strike when our third ditched us, I imagine that will be short-lived once he calls me a bitch or some shit lol

Anonymity breeds shitheads, that is certain.

 

[Doctoglethorpe]

It sucks to think that there's someone out there who's played this game fervently but hasn't had the same luck. It makes me feel bad for them.

Hi.

Sigh. I've come to terms with the reality that the RNG completely hates me and the only useful gear I'll ever get will be purchased with marks and coins. (of course my level 5 Titan I don't plan on playing much is already fully geared!) This event was nice and rewarding for a change but of course that couldn't last.

 

[Icyflamez96]

Can we not call this an "exploit"?

The game was behaving as they programmed it to. Legendary armor breaks down into ascendant mats. It's not like the Queens missions didn't take time or effort to get through them.

So would you not call the Christmas Cave an exploit?

 

[Diablohead]

Had my first exotic bounty appear, I chose the thorn.

The damage over time effect for hitting someone sounds good, people might hate the gun but I really enjoy using handcannons right now.

 

[Heroman]

Why fix the cave? Why not fix the reason why everybody was farming the cave.

 

[commish]

A part of me is glad they nerfed the Queen's rewards, that's one less thing I feel like I need to get done each day (across 3 characters, no less).

Exactly this. I'm actually glad I don't have to bother with those Queens quests anymore. Even as it was, I was only able to do about 3 or 4 a day.

 

[Marcel]

Because you do it consistently and it's obnoxious.

I'm sorry, did you say axe to grind with you? Please, that's laughable at best. I come here because this is a hobby for me. I don't hold weird grudges or, in your case, show up to bitch about something because this is the only place where Bungie is the doormat and not me.

That all said, you still just continue to bitch and toss sophomoric insults around. You, like Bungie, have failed to see the root of the problem.

"I have to answer your posts because reasons."

No, you don't. Click my name, hit the ignore. It's most likely a popular way of solving the Marcel problem. Move on and get over that people don't have opinions that coordinate with yours.

 

[Papercuts]

No you aren't. Daily story mission gives ascended mats and can be done on each of your characters. Same for daily public event mail. Same for daily public event completions.

The amount of materials needed to reach level 28 isn't particularly large. Unless you're pushing all your gear to 29 (why?), you don't need a ton of shards.

On top of that, I'm not sure people have realized that higher attack does precisely fuckall for you against enemies of a lower level, it helps if you're fighting higher level enemies.

Or to put it another way, if you're blowing all your energy and shards upgrading all your weapons and armor, you're wasting them for no good reason.

Armor in particular should only be capped if it is either a) raid armor that goes to 30 light or b) you're pushing to hit 29 so you can do the hard mode raid.

Otherwise you can reach 28 reasonably easily (especially easily now that queen is giving you free chest/helm, that means you need a whopping 65 marks or 130 marks to cap out in armor depending on what xur has for you).

Once you're 28 you can do the weekly nightfall easily, and all other existing content outside the hard mode raid without trouble.

If you want to do the hard mode raid right now, then yeah, you're going to have to triple farm dailies and weeklies with three capped characters, but for literally any other content in the game, you do not need to do so (and frankly, doing daily and weekly events on three different classes sounds a hell of a lot more fun to me than farming engrams, ymmv).

The sheer amount of misinformation and FUD being talked in this thread is unreal, I think I'm going to take a hiatus for a few days until things calm down or we get a dedicated gameplay talk thread in community or something.

There's very little point in attempting to ask or answer gameplay questions in the OT when the majority of posts are throwaway rants that we've seen posted literally hundreds of times.

On top of that there's a ton of misunderstanding, confusion, or outright false complaints about the way loot and progression function in the game. A lot of that is on Bungie, they fucked up by not laying out progression clearly, but the information is out there, if you care to look for it.

Hell, a lot of the information is right here in linked posts in these threads, but again, it's drowned out by the noise.

Wait, how do you hit 28 without spending a lot on the armor? Specially the "Armor in particular should only be capped if it is either a) raid armor that goes to 30 light or b) you're pushing to hit 29 so you can do the hard mode raid."

I'm currently 27, and that's with all legendaries and a (maxed out) exotic gauntlet. The armor is all 'maxed' but I haven't applied the final defense boosts to them because I need a TON of ascendant materials for each level. I used a bunch of the queen loot to fill out the gaunlets, but everything else isn't, and I'm only around halfway into the level bar.

 

[hydruxo]

Had my first exotic bounty appear, I chose the thorn.

The damage over time effect for hitting someone sounds good, people might hate the gun but I really enjoy using handcannons right now.

Well it's getting a buff in the future according to Bungie, so you're in luck haha

 

[XANDER CAGE]

This reminds me of a lot of the early PSO rage when Sega went in and cleaned out everyone's duped items.

Sega had implemented a check for duped weapons and people figured out if you stashed them away in storage you could take them out once you were in an instanced game and use duped weapons.

They hot-patched a fix and deleted all of them and the PSO community went nuts because everyone had these killer weapons and then didn't (Spread Needle was only a prize in a Japan only tournament IIRC, yet everyone was rocking one).

In the long run, it makes for a better game to clear these quick fix cheats. The game that is destiny is based on a long grind to get there, finding a way to exploit it to get stuff quicker isn't in any ones best interest. It might mean the game wasn't for you to begin with, but it's better for the health and economy of Destiny as a whole moving forward.

3 months from now no one would be playing a game where you shot at a cave for 5 hours straight.

I don't disagree, but the frustrating part is how there are a ton of seemingly simple fixes that need to be made elsewhere - to the way loot drops in strikes, to the way players are rewarded for activities, to the way the cryptarch is essentially the gatekeeper to leveling up past 20 - that should have been addressed at the same time the cave was.

People farmed the cave because it was the fastest way to level up and essentially shotgun-blast the cryptarch with engrams. The way the game wants you to level up right now means that the slow drip of engrams that will probably be garbage is the only way to get anywhere. Strikes and missions and engrams need to actually give players a sense of progression. Fixing just the caves means that the game is back to being aggravating for a whole lot of people.

They should have changed the cave and the cryptarch at the same time, or rolled it in with a hotfix for strike boss health and rewards. They've essentially closed the one valve that was relieving a lot of players frustrated with the game's actual content.

 

[True Underdog]

The amount of materials needed to reach level 28 isn't particularly large. Unless you're pushing all your gear to 29 (why?), you don't need a ton of shards.

...

Or to put it another way, if you're blowing all your energy and shards upgrading all your weapons and armor, you're wasting them for no good reason.

Armor in particular should only be capped if it is either a) raid armor that goes to 30 light or b) you're pushing to hit 29 so you can do the hard mode raid.

...

See. Yesterday I was thinking about this. I'm lvl 28 now so I figure I should save my shards and energies on gear that I plan on sticking with. More specifically, saving shards to max out raid gear (I have the Kabr Titan Gauntlets right now); that's basically what you're saying here right?

I'm not wearing the raid gauntlets yet but I've moved onto wearing them when I turn in bounties and throwing upgrade mats there instead of my current gauntlets.

 

[Afrocious]

Had my first exotic bounty appear, I chose the thorn.

The damage over time effect for hitting someone sounds good, people might hate the gun but I really enjoy using handcannons right now.

If I didn't have The Last Word, I'd probably be in just as much denial as you are about Thorn.

 

[Wallach]

Wait, how do you hit 28 without spending a lot on the armor? Specially the "Armor in particular should only be capped if it is either a) raid armor that goes to 30 light or b) you're pushing to hit 29 so you can do the hard mode raid."

I'm currently 27, and that's with all legendaries and a (maxed out) exotic gauntlet. The armor is all 'maxed' but I haven't applied the final defense boosts to them because I need a TON of ascendant materials for each level.

Can you link your profile?