in so few words
many balls were dropped
somehow, i'm still very addicted to this game and the fukkery that is PvP
Destiny |OT5| New patch out Tues., Master Rahool reportedly crying into his robes
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many balls were dropped
somehow, i'm still very addicted to this game and the fukkery that is PvP
No you aren't. Daily story mission gives ascended mats and can be done on each of your characters. Same for daily public event mail. Same for daily public event completions.
The amount of materials needed to reach level 28 isn't particularly large. Unless you're pushing all your gear to 29 (why?), you don't need a ton of shards.
On top of that, I'm not sure people have realized that higher attack does precisely fuckall for you against enemies of a lower level, it helps if you're fighting higher level enemies.
Or to put it another way, if you're blowing all your energy and shards upgrading all your weapons and armor, you're wasting them for no good reason.
Armor in particular should only be capped if it is either a) raid armor that goes to 30 light or b) you're pushing to hit 29 so you can do the hard mode raid.
Otherwise you can reach 28 reasonably easily (especially easily now that queen is giving you free chest/helm, that means you need a whopping 65 marks or 130 marks to cap out in armor depending on what xur has for you).
Once you're 28 you can do the weekly nightfall easily, and all other existing content outside the hard mode raid without trouble.
If you want to do the hard mode raid right now, then yeah, you're going to have to triple farm dailies and weeklies with three capped characters, but for literally any other content in the game, you do not need to do so (and frankly, doing daily and weekly events on three different classes sounds a hell of a lot more fun to me than farming engrams, ymmv).
The sheer amount of misinformation and FUD being talked in this thread is unreal, I think I'm going to take a hiatus for a few days until things calm down or we get a dedicated gameplay talk thread in community or something.
There's very little point in attempting to ask or answer gameplay questions in the OT when the majority of posts are throwaway rants that we've seen posted literally hundreds of times.
On top of that there's a ton of misunderstanding, confusion, or outright false complaints about the way loot and progression function in the game. A lot of that is on Bungie, they fucked up by not laying out progression clearly, but the information is out there, if you care to look for it.
Hell, a lot of the information is right here in linked posts in these threads, but again, it's drowned out by the noise.
Florida_Man_5000
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I think it would be nice if there was a completely optional bar/cantina at the tower that had open mic chat if you walked in so you could assemble raid groups easier.
26 is when things will start to slow down. That's the max level you can get with a set of un-upgraded purple gear, and the shards you need to upgrade purple gear are harder to acquire in significant numbers.
Easily the best way to describe this game.
This is a OT. He can talk about his feeling about the game good or bad. If you dont want to hear them then leave.
PanicFreak
Member
What else can you buy with Strange Coins?
There were many false-positives during that deletion, though IIRC. That's not even accounting for people who didn't know they had duped items from trades. They handled it very poorly.
ethomaz
Banned
I thought we were getting our level up to kick asses in Iron Banner.
Get you level up because I don't want to beat low level guys
nicoga3000
Saint Nic
Yeah - I'm more upset that they REMOVED the feature. If it weren't possible from the onset, I wouldn't really care (IF they made it clear that dismantling would give nothing). But since it was available for a few days before they completely removed it, it's super shitty.
So, just completely forgo legendary weapons? It takes a week and a half to buy a single weapon, and they're arguably just as important as gear. You're going to either do some SERIOUS rep grind and hope you don't get a duplicate weapon on rank-up, or not buy armor (and thus, not level up) in order to get a full set of weapons needed for endgame content (one of each elemental type for snipers and rockets is going to be the most miserable part of this).
Admiral Woofington
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maybe, but what were they going to do for shards before the queen event? sure, it sucks that they didn't get in on it and some others did, but at the same time, we're just back to how it was
If you wipe in a darkness zone and restart at the previous checkpoint, the drop rate for engrams goes down. This is to stop people from farming We've Awoken the Hive! or the Circle of Bones or Shrine of Oryx. The side effect is that noone is going to feel like challenging themselves and doing high level raids because the odds of wiping are higher and that now means your odds of getting loot are going to suffer. By stopping a few people from farming they've done a really good job of fucking things up, in my opinion.
cpp_is_king
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Best way to slow the content drip is to add raid attunement. Imagine if entering the Vault of Glass required rank 3 Vanguard to buy the Glass Key, and everyone in your group had to have the key. Then, the next raid that they add requires everyone to have Shard of Glass, which you get from beating Vault of Glass on hard mode. That's not necessarily the best way to structure it, but you get the idea. You can even have multiple entry requirements well, none of which are necessarily easy to obtain. I would love to see one of the expansion packs up the raid game by introducing like 6-7 new raids wich a complex attunement system like that.
BenjaminBirdie
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Why? Iron Banner is matchmaking. If you're 27, you'll fight 27s, no?
Goodacre0081
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lol at the OT change
I'd 100% agree with you if Iron Banner didn't exist. It does, though, so the levels matter..
I don't mean just the daily, but increasing the difficulty in any story mission. What is the point? There is no point.
I think with Xur showing up every week it is not hard to have one exotic armor piece. You only need shards for the final upgrades on armor; you should be just into 27 I think with 1 exotic and 3 purples using the non-shard upgrades (or close enough that you will need very little to push into 27).
It's ridiculous. Leveling being tied to a RNG is dumb enough to begin with but, on top of that, forcing repetition of already repetitive content is idiotic.
I pretty much only play Crucible now, I don't even have any motivation to do PVE content.
While I agree with you and that is where I am at, you might get the same number of greens (well you don't but what do they matter anyways) you get significantly less blues and even less purples. The cave was nice for when you hit 20 and needed to outfit in blues after that it was just to waste time and some bounties were easy. They need to reward with purples in some fashion or at the very least make purples become purples and not mostly blues.
Still reping to get purples is easy.
LyleLanley
Banned
I now have entirely legendary items, I guess now I'm supposed to go farm materials to upgrade these right?
The Librarian
Banned
I promise I'll be better come back!
Oh it's definitely ridiculous, but if you want to speed things up you can always level a alt to speed the process up some, it's a minimal time investment compared to the long term benefits. The intended design seems to be log in everyday and make a little progress toward your goals in the game, not play for a bazillion hours in one stretch and be maxed out. I don't agree with it, just saying.
nicoga3000
Saint Nic
Heh - I remember this. PSO duping was bad.
cpp_is_king
Member
You think people doing high level raids are doing it for the random engram drops? Pretty definetively nope.
I'm throwing in the towel on this one. Going back to Warframe and Diablo. I don't care what anyone says, Warframe is superior in every way to do this game. I'll take my F2P game with actual progression that makes sense, unique arsenal of weapons, several unique classes, and best of all, skippable cut-scenes.
I don't even care they fixed the loot cave because I hardly ever used it, and have no reason to use at my current level, anyway, but by now they could have fixed some of the glaring issues plaguing this game that caused the loot cave to even be a thing in the first place. I'm convinced Bungie is a studio I should avoid now, they clearly don't know what to do, and they are deceitful.
I don't even care they fixed the loot cave because I hardly ever used it, and have no reason to use at my current level, anyway, but by now they could have fixed some of the glaring issues plaguing this game that caused the loot cave to even be a thing in the first place. I'm convinced Bungie is a studio I should avoid now, they clearly don't know what to do, and they are deceitful.
JetBlackPanda
Member
Yeah, but almost everyone knew what they were getting was a hot good when they traded for it.
I had a spread needle. I traded some claw that I had and couldn't equip for it.
But I knew what was up.
I think most of the 'false positives' in that wipe were just grousers or people who traded for hot goods.
Either way, it was the right call by Sega because a loot grind game where everyone has access to all the best loot way too easily isn't much of a game.
doing raids in hopes of legendary engram drops is pointless. is it nice if you happen to get one? sure, but that's never the objective that people go into it with.
More confusion and misunderstanding.
You aren't going to get one shot in iron banner if you're lower level. The scaling won't be anywhere near as harsh as it is in pve.
And given that you can get within 2 levels of cap with minimal pain, yeah. Not much reason to panic.
PSYGN
Member
Every time I try to talk myself out of playing the game I get to feeling lucky about the cave and boot my PS4 up, sometimes immediately right after work. It's disgusting how many hours I've sinked into it. Brainless activity with the beat of the music carrying the shots of my scout rifle with my dried, itchy eyes. But it was like Christmas morning in the cave for me, except with shitty presents that I didn't ask for most of the time. Something about it was alluring to me, but now I won't be playing the game nearly as much so I'm sad and happy they closed it.
Xamtheking
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You should not just throw this one to the dogs, let a few weeks/months pass and see if they iron out the many wrinkles they have now
Warframe is top thou
I guess slowing down is one way to look at it. Personally, 26 and up is a different kind of game from 24-25, 20-24, and leveling from 1-20. At 26, you're given a ton of freedom to do whatever, such as do VoG with a dedicated team. Or you could stick with getting rep, which is now easier due to the nightfall giving 500 a week which is a significant boost coupled with the amount of bounties you get a day.
As someone who's 27-28 (depends on my gear) and who's able to find good people to play with, the game still kinda shows promise. I'm not digging how loot works in general in this game, but at least the Raid is the best PvE content and I made it.
RiccochetJ
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Hopefully the changes will be better for the long haul. I never really farmed those areas all that much other than to help me get the daily bounties done quicker.
I just wish that they would have addressed the strikes and the cryptarch at the same time they nerfed everything. I still have fun running the strikes with friends, but it is getting old considering the rewards.
I just wish that they would have addressed the strikes and the cryptarch at the same time they nerfed everything. I still have fun running the strikes with friends, but it is getting old considering the rewards.
My feelings exactly.
Though finding a raid isn't as easy as I though it would be, but will have a chance this weekend I think. Though it is a little jarring seeing the "XP REQUIRED" for raiding I'm seeing on these forums already for a raid that has only been out a week...
AmateurHour212
Member
Because you do it consistently and it's obnoxious.
I'm sorry, did you say axe to grind with you? Please, that's laughable at best. I come here because this is a hobby for me. I don't hold weird grudges or, in your case, show up to bitch about something because this is the only place where Bungie is the doormat and not me.
That all said, you still just continue to bitch and toss sophomoric insults around. You, like Bungie, have failed to see the root of the problem.
MADGAME
Member
After all matchmaking I've seen in the game so far, I'm fairly certain there is a level range. If Iron Banner is different then I retract my statement but if I recall it was not like that in the beta.
Got it. Just bounties then I suppose. The ones that require you to beat a bad guy in story missions with heroic modifier active.
Reluctant-Hero
Member
You hit the nail on the head. The Queen event was obviously intended to gear up players and toss us a bone towards getting past 24. But the loot cave circumvented their intent. As much as I want sweet loot to rain down upon my Titan with every kill I score, I understand why they are trying to control our progress.
I'm still frustrated, but I understand.
They're harmless to Bungie and the community at large, since there is no real economy in the game. It matters only to the people doing the farming and no one else.
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