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How do other MMOs handle loot? It sounds like with Bungie it's almost become infamous, so they must be doing something so wrong that the other MMO handle loot drops. I know there has to be RNG in the other games but how are they implemented in a way that doesn't piss people off to this level?
 
How do other MMOs handle loot? It sounds like with Bungie it's almost become infamous, so they must be doing something so wrong that the other MMO handle loot drops. I know there has to be RNG in the other games but how are they implemented in a way that doesn't piss people off to this level?

Itemization, how does it work? Basically the difference between having a loot system with some structure (see Itemization) and having a loot system based 100% on chance (see utter laziness and chaos).
 
Hawk, are you being intentionally daft or do you seriously not understand why an in-game no hassles mm would be better than going to an external site?
 
How do other MMOs handle loot? It sounds like with Bungie it's almost become infamous, so they must be doing something so wrong that the other MMO handle loot drops. I know there has to be RNG in the other games but how are they implemented in a way that doesn't piss people off to this level?

In that if you do something like a raid or dungeon whatever there is a guaranteed drop of a specific quality. Destiny doesn't do that for example, it is all random all the time.
 
Had the best luck in a Raid Run last night.

Drops:

Atheon's Epilogue (AR)
Hawkmoon (Exotic Pistol)
Ice Breaker ( Exotic Sniper)
The Culling (MG)
Corrective Measures (MG)

and the Chatter White shader.

That sucks.
The set armor pieces are vastly more important.
Sorry for your raid week.
 
Mine:

75ish hours playtime

0 nightfall completions
0 raid completions

0 exotic weapon rewards/decrypts
0 exotic armor rewards/decrypts
1 exotic bounties
2 blue engrams decrypted into purple items
2 exotic or legendary gifts/decrypts from cryptarch rank ups (level 18)
0 exotic gifts/decrypts from Vanguard/FWC rank 3


I think you're thinking Exotics should be common or something. I've never heard of anyone getting an exotic decrypt or reward. You mainly get them from buying from Xur or doing bounties.


I got the Titan gauntlets from a legendary engram.

With that reward, I think the game has decided I get no additional fun drops. I have bought pretty much everything else.
 
People didn't believe me when I told them getting the ship/sparrow in the raid was lucky they just complained. Lo and behold 4 weeks from now I'll have 6 shaders. Guaranteed.
 
There really should be more definite loot drops in the raid. They can keep the rest of the game the same, but the fact you can only get raid loot once a week (maybe 2 if you can complete hard mode) and sometimes you can get nothing but shards or energy really fucking sucks.
 
Ive never had an exotic without buying it or getting it in a bounty. 100+ hours played.

RNG is always going to cause extreme pain to some.

My friend didn't get the Salarian Infiltrator or the Claymore shotgun after 100 hour or so of ME3 MP.

Hopefully it will be better for you after the patch. Thank the stars for Xur, too.
 
There really should be more definite loot drops in the raid. They can keep the rest of the game the same, but the fact you can only get raid loot once a week (maybe 2 if you can complete hard mode) and sometimes you can get nothing but shards or energy really fucking sucks.

It does. And the fact that every level 30 is going to be wearing the exact same gear is laaaaaaaame.
 
There really should be more definite loot drops in the raid. They can keep the rest of the game the same, but the fact you can only get raid loot once a week (maybe 2 if you can complete hard mode) and sometimes you can get nothing but shards or energy really fucking sucks.

Yeah, 110% agree. Shards should only come from chests. If I have raid gear I don't need, that can also be a choice of shards, not getting 15-20 shards for an entire raid.

It makes me suspect that they're doing that just to artificially prolong the lack of content they most clearly have.
 
Just wait until you have to go from 29 ----> 30 and you're at the mercy of both RNG and a once a week activity...

:(

As much as I want to hit max level, I don't know if I will make it a priority. Destiny has already given me almost $1/hr worth of entertainment. That's pretty damn good in my book. I was running bounties last night, and it was fun, but the carrot-on-a-stick just wasn't there. The way loot works in Destiny beyond a certain point is sort of boring. Bad isn't the right word, but I think boring is. Mostly because there's not anything worth doing or exploring as a way to fill the void once you hit a certain point.
 
100+ hours playtime

3 nightfall completions
0 raid completions

2 exotic weapon rewards/decrypts
1 exotic armor rewards/decrypts
~6 exotic bounties (I'm abandoning them at this point)
~4 blue engrams decrypted into purple items
~3 exotic or legendary gifts/decrypts from cryptarch rank ups (level 16)
0 exotic gifts/decrypts from Vanguard rank 4/Crucible rank 3

I have 6 exotic weapons, 7 legendary weapons, 2 exotic armor, 6 legendary armors, and I don't even remember the legendary weapons and armors that I've decided to dismantle.

And I stepped into the raid once with a group that dissolved in a matter of minutes, clearing nothing.

All these blessings from RNGesus and all I want to do is the damn raid. 2 groups have been stifled due to PSN not working, the other was a group of randoms.
 
In that if you do something like a raid or dungeon whatever there is a guaranteed drop of a specific quality. Destiny doesn't do that for example, it is all random all the time.

Let's say WoW, there will be drops but it's not guaranteed to be for you. Destiny is the same way.
 
That sucks.
The set armor pieces are vastly more important.
Sorry for your raid week.

I got the chest piece the first time we went through the raid. It was pretty funny when we completed it. Everyone was super salty to which I replied, "Damn, I was hoping to get the boots or helm." Haha.

Ive never had an exotic without buying it or getting it in a bounty. 100+ hours played.

Those were also the first exotics I received from a drop. Also bought all my previous ones. Keep the faith! (wait for patch)
 
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First time around addicts?

I played Halo for a decade. (That's a no.) It is my first time around a throng of addicts this large, though. :p

I do wish we had some online player stats for Destiny. Seems most games let you see how many players are going; I haven't seen that for Destiny, which is odd considering how Bungie supplied it for Halo. Certainly it seems to be going very strong from other, less precise measures.
 
If the list of weapons from Rank 0 to Rank 3 for the Queen increases, including buffing damage, is there a chance that upon reaching even higher ranks legendary gear could open up?
 
Slowly but surely get my alt Titan to level 20... Level 11 now. 1 level a day is my goal.
If you're not against bringing him into the Crucible, you can do a lot more than 1 level a day!
How do other MMOs handle loot? It sounds like with Bungie it's almost become infamous, so they must be doing something so wrong that the other MMO handle loot drops. I know there has to be RNG in the other games but how are they implemented in a way that doesn't piss people off to this level?
By far the aspect that induced the most rage was engrams.

When you get a legendary engram, you expect a legendary item. This is a reasonable expectation given the visual and written feedback the game has provided you as well as the equivalency in other games with similar "identifying items" mechanics.

Another note would be that I've seen people get quite pissed off at the RNG in other games (and been one of them ;))
 
Does anybody have any tips on the Crucible portion of the Thorn exotic bounty? I am a Hunter who of course has no void skills so I am stuck trying to get all my kills via my fusion rifle and machine gun.

I actually had my points up to 4 in my first match but by the time it ended I was back to zero.
I just don't see how I am going to get 500 points this way.

I already have Bad Juju and I don't like shotguns so I skipped the Invective. I wish I had gotten the other set of bounties because I really wanted the Pocket Infinity bounty.

Before I give up on the thorn does anybody have any tips for a Bladedancer who would like to earn the thorn still?

I am in the same boat but with a void sniper rifle instead of fusion rifle. I made it to 225 points last night, but it was a grind. Here are my tips.

1. Find a mode you like and suits your available void weapon(s). For me, this was clash. Rumble was too frantic and Control I couldn't get enough sniping opportunities. Clash, you and your team come from one side, and you can let the players in front of you hit combat first, giving you a sense of where to aim your scope, or in your case, charge your fusion rifle up.

2. Keep track of your points for the bounty each match. You will start to pick up a pattern on which maps are not working for you. For me it was Rusted Lands. I love that for control and blade dancer. But for a carefully sniping person who is KDR concious, it didn't work well for me. Moon and Firebase Delphi I clean up. Had my highest gain of +42 on Moon and my biggest loss, -17 on Rusted Lands. I now exit the match when it is Rusted Lands.

3. Find what works and stick with it. It sound like you are like me and not much of a PvP player, so ignore all the people who are like, "yeah I got it in 4 matches with a shotty, its super easy" It isn't easy, and shotguns suck ass. It is a grind but find what combination of the above tips gives you a consistent positive points yield. At the very least you are getting some crucible marks and random loot rolls. It is a good time to use a optional faction class item to get some non crucible rep too. I am going Vanguard and FWC. Fuck them crucible vendors.
 
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