Assassin's Creed "Parity": Unity is 900p/30fps on both PS4 & Xbox One

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eso76 said:
Source ?

So you guys really believe devs came and said:
"We intentionally made the PS4 version look worse so that Xbone owners wouldn't complain"
Or rather:
"We worked our collective ass to ensure Xbone version would have the same specs as PS4's" ?

That statement may not have come across as intended, but it's incredible you people choose to read this as
"WE DOWNGRADED THE PS4 VERSION !!" when it's obviously "WE UPGRADED THE XBONE VERSION !" in their intentions.

They didn't lower PS4 specs to match Xbone's (at least this is not what they're saying: what dev in their right mind would even think about publicly making such claims ???)
What they mean is they raised XBone's to match PS4's.

And i guess you'll see for yourself when X1 version is shown to perform much worse.

Unless it has perfect or comparable framerate, in which case yeah, i guess that would be the proof PS4 version was gimped intentionally.

But with all the pressure from Microsoft (devs reported being approached by MS representatives who asked them to get the game on X1 running at the same res as PS4's) it's not hard to imagine someone from MS just told Ubi "look, we need to write the same figure as the PS4 under 'resolution' in the back of the box, we don't care if that makes the game run worse".

I don't believe they'd go as far as paying money to make the other version look worse, but like i said, performances will tell us.
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You are basically saying this: Why are you guys going with A? We don't have evidence of A, let's go with B, which we happen to not have evidence of either.
 
eso76 said:
Source ?

So you guys really believe devs came and said:
"We intentionally made the PS4 version look worse so that Xbone owners wouldn't complain"
Or rather:
"We worked our collective ass to ensure Xbone version would have the same specs as PS4's" ?

That statement may not have come across as intended, but it's incredible you people choose to read this as
"WE DOWNGRADED THE PS4 VERSION !!" when it's obviously "WE UPGRADED THE XBONE VERSION !" in their intentions.

They didn't lower PS4 specs to match Xbone's (at least this is not what they're saying: what dev in their right mind would even think about publicly making such claims ???)
What they mean is they raised XBone's to match PS4's.

And i guess you'll see for yourself when X1 version is shown to perform much worse.

Unless it has perfect or comparable framerate, in which case yeah, i guess that would be the proof PS4 version was gimped intentionally.

But with all the pressure from Microsoft (devs reported being approached by MS representatives who asked them to get the game on X1 running at the same res as PS4's) it's not hard to imagine someone from MS just told Ubi "look, we need to write the same figure as the PS4 under 'resolution' in the back of the box, we don't care if that makes the game run worse".

I don't believe they'd go as far as paying money to make the other version look worse, but like i said, performances will tell us.
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Dude they said they locked parity to avoid debates.

One can only assume they gimped the PS4 version to achieve this parity. If that's not what they meant then Ubisoft needs to come out and clarify this now. THey've had all day and they haven't said a word.
 
impact said:
Ubisoft laziness MIGHT make sense if Assassins Creed PS4 and Watch Dogs PS4 didn't completely mop up the XB1 versions in sales. Why would they put in extra effort on the version that will 100% sell worse? It sucks, but moneyhats is really the only way something like this could happen.
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If it's proven I might go full Ubisoft boycott. They don't make much that I like anyway and I don't need to support such practices
 
Patroclos said:
Dem "workingman's graphics".
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I'm still reeling from that working class line. Just what in the fuck?

Xbox One is a working classes platform somehow? And people are putting down the working class by wanting the 1%er platforms and the qualities they offer? How does that even work when Xbox One launched with a higher price than PS4?

I feel like I'm on a bad drug trip trying to logically deduce this. If this is a ruse, right on. If not...w h a t. What's sad is one can imagine such views being incredibly sincere. D:
 
OraleeWey said:
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I do not take credit for this .gif
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Amazing gif!
 
QuantumZebra said:
You're kidding right? Do you REALLY think Ubisoft sat there and said "You know what, we are going to make both consoles the same, because that would avoid any kind of debate on why one is more powerful than the other."

And if you really do think that - you must in turn believe that Ubisoft is run by a bunch of incompetent crab-people.


.... ok maybe that's not so far off.
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Did MS pay Ubisoft to run watchdogs at 900p too?
 
This is one of the most pathetic, ridiculous and damn straight insulting videogame announcements i have ever heard.

Ubisoft can go to hell.

Not only they were clowns to even suggest 1080p 60fps , but now they pretty much admit that the marketing deal with MS is the reason why we are treated like this.

And i am not even going to bother with all the technical BS they mentioned, it is god damn insulting to say the least...

PS4 players should boycott that shit until it is patched. Unisoft aint gonna take shit from me.
 
But seriously, can we have a Modern Warfare 2 Boycott list made up for this? There is no way people that were excited for this yesterday will no longer be picking it up due to this.
 
eso76 said:
Source ?

So you guys really believe devs came and said:
"We intentionally made the PS4 version look worse so that Xbone owners wouldn't complain"
Or rather:
"We worked our collective ass to ensure Xbone version would have the same specs as PS4's" ?

That statement may not have come across as intended, but it's incredible you people choose to read this as
"WE DOWNGRADED THE PS4 VERSION !!" when it's obviously "WE UPGRADED THE XBONE VERSION !" in their intentions.

They didn't lower PS4 specs to match Xbone's (at least this is not what they're saying: what dev in their right mind would even think about publicly making such claims ???)
What they mean is they raised XBone's to match PS4's.

And i guess you'll see for yourself when X1 version is shown to perform much worse.

Unless it has perfect or comparable framerate, in which case yeah, i guess that would be the proof PS4 version was gimped intentionally.

But with all the pressure from Microsoft (devs reported being approached by MS representatives who asked them to get the game on X1 running at the same res as PS4's) it's not hard to imagine someone from MS just told Ubi "look, we need to write the same figure as the PS4 under 'resolution' in the back of the box, we don't care if that makes the game run worse".

I don't believe they'd go as far as paying money to make the other version look worse, but like i said, performances will tell us.
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Why would anybody UPGRADE something that is already performing badly, versus downgrading something that is performing well enough in order to achieve parity? That would make little to no sense at all. They clearly said that they were bottlenecked by the CPU on BOTH consoles, preventing them from IMPROVING performance.
 
Neuromancer said:
Already posted?



This man is a senior writer at Polygon.
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Apathy said:
A bit? A bit!? Ryan McCaffrey is the last person from partial when it comes to anything xbox related. Lest we forget:

ryan.png


And Mitch Dyer is nothing more than a mouth piece for anything xbox. He's the moron that thinks you can't tell the difference between resolutions. Hes even worse on Rebel FM when he has Arthur Gies around

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=707247
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One spouts homophobic language and hates on his own audience. The other is a shill begging for the job he craves so much.

Games journalism.
 
NickFire said:
Isn't just this news. MS has a history of shady practices this generation, and is desperate to do anything it can to avoid a full holiday season being outsold 2-1 or worse. And do you really think a publisher would really risk pissing off 2/3 of the current generation install base without some sort of concession from MS?
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Microsoft paying a company to intentionally lower the resolution of a game for parity sounds absolutely ludicrous to me, and I won't believe it until I see concrete evidence of such.
 
RedStep said:
Does this apply in reverse? Such as "If you can get the PS4 version running at 1080p, you can get the equal XBO version running at 900p"? Because that's not the case either. It's not a math equation, there are a ton of things that affect the final product.

The simplest answer (especially given W_D running at 900p on PS4) is that they couldn't hit that 1080p/30fps target on PS4 so they pulled it back to what works. A week ago, Shadows of Mordor was 1080p/60 on PS4 and 720p/30 on XBO. Turns out people are idiots and don't know what they're talking about... maybe waiting for something a little more concrete to start canceling orders and calling the death of the industry would work.
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He said that they decided to lock them at the same specs to avoid debates. Locking the game at the same spec implies they artificially limited the game. If the PS4 was simply unable to do better, then it wouldn't make sense.

He then goes on to say that the CPU was bottlenecking the GPU, which would imply that the GPU had more performance left in it, just that the CPU was holding the framerate back. If there was another reason for why the PS4 couldn't run better then he should have said.

Clearly stating that you locked the game specs simply to stop debates wasn't going to go over well.
 
Is this coming to the PC?

Are people really this upset that they refuse to buy the game now? It's bad practice not to take full advantage of each system but why are some letting this bother them so much? Then again the only way they might correct it is by not buying the game. Hopefully they rekease a patch like they did before if it's possible.

Does anyone think this happened before with the PS2 where games might have been held back on the XBOX but they never admitted they did it on purpose?
 
OneEyeTwoHead said:
All of this would make sense if the PS4 wasn't more powerful. If the differences between the 2 systems were a LOT closer, sure.

And the only "debate" the producer is referring to is the one we've been constantly having with the PS4 > Xbone in multiplatforms. There's no other debate to refernece.
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Time is a factor though.
 
valkyre said:
This is one of the most pathetic, ridiculous and damn straight insulting videogame announcements i have ever heard.

Ubisoft can go to hell.

Not only they were clowns to even suggest 1080p 60fps , but now they pretty much admit that the marketing deal with MS is the reason why we are treated like this.

And i am not even going to bother with all the technical BS they mentioned, it is god damn insulting to say the least...

PS4 players should boycott that shit until it is patched. Unisoft aint gonna take shit from me.
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Just like the other big publishers, they treat their customers like shit and keep getting away with it.
 
Zabuza said:
Not buying this shit now. Locked at parity to stop debates? Really?
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Hahahaha.
If you were planning on buying it before this......you are still gonna buy it now.
Parity or no parity.

I know you just want to vent but no one believes you.....wont buy the game because of parity.
 
MrWakes said:
But seriously, can we have a Modern Warfare 2 Boycott list made up for this? There is no way people that were excited for this yesterday will no longer be picking it up due to this.
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Sounds good my PSN name is Flawless1984, got a Platinum on Black Flag too.

Canceled about an hour ago.
 
KCroxtonJr said:
Why would anybody UPGRADE something that is already performing badly, versus downgrading something that is performing well enough in order to achieve parity? That would make little to no sense at all. They clearly said that they were bottlenecked by the CPU on BOTH consoles, preventing them from IMPROVING performance.
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Lol.

I wonder what is more economically feasible for a company to do. Grind to the bone to get the shittier version up to snuff, or tone down the one running perfectly.

That guy is bonkers.
 
markedbravado said:
If u think MS wasn't behind this, then u really don't know MS. This was my biggest fear after the console specs were confirmed this gen. MS doesn't have as big a hand this gen at forcing this issue because it lags in sales, but it will surface every now and then for some big titles. Whatever interest I had in this title is gone now, just on principle. So weak mann. Last gen saw all kinds of 3rd party games running and looking better on 360. Parity was not issue because Sony wasn't giving out those money bags.
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eh. let's not cannonize one as holy and the other as pure evil here.

i don't know the terms of these particularly agreements, but both first parties have various parity clauses. always have.

though, as goes life, everything can be negotiated.
 
p3tran said:
yes but, the very previous ubisoft game, the one that sony had the marketing deal on,
it was ....guess what..... 900p on ps4. and 30fps too.

this one is more demanding, their problem is cpu -as they say in the same article that is discussed here- the xbone does not have a disadvantage on cpu, but the opposite,
yet its xbox that is holding back the ps4. once again....

does not compute very much, but whatever...
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A simpler way to explain:
It's 30fps because it's CPU bound.
it's 900p because Xbox One version can only handle 900p

Even though PS4 can handle higher resolution and/or better visual effects (More powerful GPU) it's 900p for the sake of parity and to avoid "debates and stuff"
 
Apathy said:
A bit? A bit!? Ryan McCaffrey is the last person from partial when it comes to anything xbox related. Lest we forget:

ryan.png


And Mitch Dyer is nothing more than a mouth piece for anything xbox. He's the moron that thinks you can't tell the difference between resolutions. Hes even worse on Rebel FM when he has Arthur Gies around

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=707247
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Maybe I'm just naive.... I really think he was joking here, no? Shirley he can't be serious. He would obviously know that that wouldn't happen?

Anyhoo back on topic... I look forward to see what he says about this next week :P Wonder if he will defend it!
 
Guys, if you don't want resolution fuckery, just go pc. Because if if nobody cares and it sells (which it will, its asscreed) i wouldn't be surprised if more game try and go for parity like this.
 
If I was in charge, just imagining everyone saying "Assassin's Creed: Parity" would have curved my decision for 900p on both.. I mean really..... "to avoid all the debates n stuff"... wow.
 
Fuck you, Ubisoft. Preorder cancelled. Never mind that 900p/30fps is a joke in this day and age, I simply won't support a developer that pulls off stunts like this. Plenty of games in November anyway, so instead one of your competitors will be seeing my money. Good job.
 
HowZatOZ said:
Resolution discussion brings out the immaturity in everyone, hilarious times. For me I'm not too bothered as I'll be picking it up on PC, however I'm hoping it doesn't limit anything on that side.
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what if it did, hypothetically? would you be equally incensed?
 
eso76 said:
Source ?

So you guys really believe devs came and said:
"We intentionally made the PS4 version look worse so that Xbone owners wouldn't complain"
Or rather:
"We worked our collective ass to ensure Xbone version would have the same specs as PS4's" ?

That statement may not have come across as intended, but it's incredible you people choose to read this as
"WE DOWNGRADED THE PS4 VERSION !!" when it's obviously "WE UPGRADED THE XBONE VERSION !" in their intentions.

They didn't lower PS4 specs to match Xbone's (at least this is not what they're saying: what dev in their right mind would even think about publicly making such claims ???)
What they mean is they raised XBone's to match PS4's.

And i guess you'll see for yourself when X1 version is shown to perform much worse.

Unless it has perfect or comparable framerate, in which case yeah, i guess that would be the proof PS4 version was gimped intentionally.

But with all the pressure from Microsoft (devs reported being approached by MS representatives who asked them to get the game on X1 running at the same res as PS4's) it's not hard to imagine someone from MS just told Ubi "look, we need to write the same figure as the PS4 under 'resolution' in the back of the box, we don't care if that makes the game run worse".

I don't believe they'd go as far as paying money to make the other version look worse, but like i said, performances will tell us.
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Highly unlikely the case. If a smaller studio like Sucker Punch can achieve 1080/30 with the kind of IQ they had for Infamous, I find it unlikely that a game that looks no better can't run atleast at 1080p.
 
Muppet of a Man said:
This is not necessarily true...at least according to a post by Matt sometime back.
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who is Matt? I dont really follow the mhz wars too closely, I simply bought both stupid machines so i dont really care (its ..small sized men wars anyway), but last i heard before launch xbone did receive an upclock of around 8-10% on the cpu? so ps4 retail units is like 1600 and xbone retail like ~1750?
definitely no xbone disadvantage there, if the above are still correct.
 
thelastword said:
I haven't bought a sub-truehd game either, I've passed too many 1920*1200 monitors years ago and my tv has been 1080p for almost a decade. I just can't do it closing in on 2015. Lower details if you have too, there are too many great looking 1080p open world games out there for me to believe I have to lower my standards.
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Wait you'd prefer less effects and details just so you can get 1080p??
 
Oh, hohoho... So they nerfed Xbone superior CPU performance to match inferior PS4 one.

Also, I hope everyone raging now about forced parity, held their purchases on all those multiplats gimped by PS3 weaker specs.
 
Jabba said:
It doesn't matter, what the reasoning may be, however ridiculous you or I may/not find it. People will do with their money as they please.
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Oh I know that, people can do what they want with their cash but repeating that they will cancel their preorders or making pics of UBI going down the toilet kinda makes them look like fools when they don't really know what the whole deal is about.

omonimo said:
I don't think expect 1080p for a ps4 game when on xone it's 900p, it's overblow the machine. I suspect some people feel a sort of mystic pleasure to underplay this hardware
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No just being realistic that's all. I own the hardware and several key games on it, the machine can outpout some good graphics but it can't do it all.
 
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