OK this was good.
Looks like Driveclub PS+ Edition might not be coming today
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OK this was good.
Saiyan-Rox
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Welcome to how SCEE usually operstes with its social media and not telling us a dsmn thing
Hopefully gets sorted for you lot soon can see it happening to us swell tomorrow
Hopefully gets sorted for you lot soon can see it happening to us swell tomorrow
Shyakugaun
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lol tbh i might end up buying it, i just wanted to test it for myself first, if the handles are good i was planning to buy it, but now its like i cant even test the damn thing, an now with them being super shady about it its just like ehh
D1renegade
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The PS Blog's store update article has over 600 comments and not one person from Sony has responded.
Seems real shady to me. They're doing a horrible of handling this situation. I'm getting flashbacks to that hacking scandal a few years back.
Seems real shady to me. They're doing a horrible of handling this situation. I'm getting flashbacks to that hacking scandal a few years back.
MightyHedgehog
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Pretty impressive to have another delay after a one-year delay of a product that was promised well before launch.
Tigermask44
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Somebody post a sweet brown gif! Ain't nobody got time for this shit!!!
I don't think there's any shadiness going on. I just think is Sony being a bit disorganized.
bananafactory
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This combined with the PSN and Driveclub server problems
Gray Matter
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Sneaky.
It's all fucked up, son!
LOL, that was great.
i HeaR MusiC
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I don't really mind the delayed plus version...the 3 free games are amazing
TheBaronOfNA
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I dunno how Driveclub can be compared to a creditcard info getting stolen...
Spazznid
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DRIVECLUB Day 1 Creditcard?
First of all, I had read your linked passage and nothing in it allows Sony to not deliver any promised games, rather it covers outages and lapsed subs.
In this case, PS+ is marketed as including the IGC of the current month at least. Here's some evidence from their own websites marketing the subscription. In particular, the third image is taken from the legal section of their site explaining what you get with PS+, and would be strong evidence in court of Sony's promises with this service. They are selling monthly access to games as part of the service, of this there can be no doubt.
EU Directives state that you must deliver what you promise to consumers, and that contractual terms negating the core of the contract's real commercial value are invalid. I know that the directive regarding goods is 99/44/EC, and I believe the same Directive was updated to apply to services. I'm not going to get out my books (and I'm no expert in this area), but I know the same laws apply to services either way. Crucially, any contractual terms which negate any rights created by the Directive are voidable by the consumer. Also crucially, minor deviations in what is delivered and what is promised aren't covered by the Directive. That alone would cover any complaints regarding this delay, so Sony's cool in this instance.
There is also a prohibition on Unfair Commercial Practices and Misleading Commercial Practices stemming from this Directive and other associated legislation in most EU jurisdictions, in Ireland that would be the Consumer Protection Act 2007. Sony's actions in withholding the free games (if they were to do so - I'm not talking about this delay) would fall foul of this act in multiple ways.
In general, the courts will look to the commercial reality of a deal when looking at consumer protection issues and the reality of this deal is that the games are either the major reason to sign up for PS+ or A major reason, and are advertised as such.
I could get my books out and go into proper detail, but it's 4am over here and I'm probably about to go to bed. Anyway, there is no honest way to say that the games are an unrelated 'free' bonus to PS+ membership. They are marketed as an integral part of it, and consumers in Europe would certainly be protected by law if Sony was to fail to deliver them without due warning / opportunity to cancel subs etc.
Of course, in this case we're dealing with US law, and as I said, I don't know the terms and I don't know the law. But in Europe, your original point regarding the games not being part of the service as sold would be simply incorrect legally.
Are you saying someone might steal my car?
AwakenedCloud
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For a game with a hashtag built into the title, it's having some major issues trending.
D1renegade
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Well I'm talking about the lack communication. How hard is it to reply to the blog comments saying "we're aware and are working on it"?
The lack of communication is similar to what happened with the hacks.
D1renegade
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Geez I guess I should learn to be more specific on this site.
That will protect me from the sarcasm and cheap attempts at humor.
PsihoPerihelion
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They are obviously in a panic room discussing what to do with the PS+ version since the mixed reviews have been controversial on both GAF and many social networks. No surprise if they delay the game, it would be another curious case of a publisher not delivering on promises. We wanted the game yesterday on the seven of October but since we don't know when its hitting, is just a gone gift for Plus users.
thebigaristotle
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hahahha solid
IAmRandom31
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Thread is pure gold
Pure golden overreaction madness. Some peeps have legit lost it in here
Pure golden overreaction madness. Some peeps have legit lost it in here
orthodoxy1095
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That's hardly the update we're looking for. That's an update that they'll update us when they get an update.
Whoopie.
CartridgeBlower
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Some people keep saying this, but aside from a few obviously joke posts about selling all your Sony gear, what posts are 'overreacting'?
Are you being serious? Have you tried calling your local police department?
Or sleeping. Wait where is Evolution what time is it there?
ComputerBlue
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Yeah, it's definitely been a rough day for them.
Mixed reviews, servers bonked, plus version MIA.
At least it's acknowledgement there's A problem rather than "Plus Edition? I don't know what you're talking about" or pure silence. There's probably too much bureaucracy BS to go through to get a full answer ASAP, though "servers need to get patched up before we throw THAT burden on them" may be enough really.
IAmRandom31
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That's just the first few pages.
As for joke posts. Who the fuck can tell at this point? Lol
People have a right to be mad. They were promised a free version of a game over a year ago and were told they would have the game at launch. Also the servers are down for people who did buy it and we're now PAYING for PS plus which was supposed to help avoid situations like this.
bananafactory
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It's like people in here don't remember the MLB 14 fiasco.
Shit was supposed to be on the store at midnight and didn't show up until like 10 am the next day with nary a word from Sony
Not excusing it but just saying it's not a conspiracy, they just suck at this stuff
Shit was supposed to be on the store at midnight and didn't show up until like 10 am the next day with nary a word from Sony
Not excusing it but just saying it's not a conspiracy, they just suck at this stuff
Vire
Member
I don't think anyone thinks it's a conspiracy, people just think this shit is unacceptable.
Pretty unbelievable that Sony can't even bother to tweet about it.
dugdug
Banned
Or polishing their resumes.
Who'd want to work for a publisher who silently farts out their game expecting no one to notice?
Uno Venova
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This was pretty forced.
bigboss370
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Vire
Member
It seems pretty obvious that they want everyone to quietly forget that Drive Club exists after the mixed reviews.
Shu is busy tweeting about a PS One game right now, I think that tells you everything you need to know.
I've had a feeling this will be Evo's last game for a couple of months now. I don't see Sony supporting two racing studios especially with the way Driveclub must be selling (complete speculation on my part).
UberTag
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Communication is clearly not their strong suit.
Never has been, never will be.
Even when PSN was compromised and credit card numbers were exposed, they remained silent for hours.
They're a bunch of shady motherfuckers.
We bought their fancy new toy because it was clearly better than the alternative. But they also sold us a bunch of snake oil regarding everything else about said toy back in February of last year. Let's not forget that. Good thing the PS4 is profitable and selling well globally or they'd probably treat the rest of their gaming division like they do the Vita and do away with the whole blasted thing.
It's a real shame too... I love my Vita.
dugdug
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I'm almost positive its their last game. Conversely, who'd want to employ a team that delayed a launch game, only to get the same scores it would have received last year? Everybody lost.
I'm sure it's been brought up already, but I just about guarantee they're holding this back until they get the server problems fixed in the full game.
While the free version will prove to people that the game is purdy and handles well, all of the CLUB stuff [a big focus of the game] being down could kill some sales.
Not to mention throwing thousands more users at the servers will just fuel this server fire!
While the free version will prove to people that the game is purdy and handles well, all of the CLUB stuff [a big focus of the game] being down could kill some sales.
Not to mention throwing thousands more users at the servers will just fuel this server fire!
There's really no point having the game while the servers are down. I bought it and stopped playing it until they're up because the online component is a huge part of the game. When the servers are back up if you still don't have the game go to town, but honestly you don't want the game as it is right now.
This is true too. I stopped as well. None of my fame (XP) going towards my club killed my buzz. Loving the game otherwise.
its my game and I WANT IT NOW.
B_Spooky13
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You guys are funny lol