#GAMERGATE: The Threadening [Read the OP] -- #StopGamerGate2014

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Fuck how can some people be this horrible?

EDIT: Also here's what connects it to #GamerGate;

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Times like this, I am almost overwhelmed by the temptation to say something stupid to random gamergater. Have to listen to "The Stains of Time" until it goes away.

Wash away the anger...
 
I won't answer questions about certain articles (trust me, I have as much idea as anybody else and am still scratching my head over it) but I just wanted to say thank y'all for a lot of the rationality and reasonable discussion going on in this thread. Even with the varied stances, the vast majority of what I read here is like a goddamn oasis of decency.

If you told me a few years back that NeoGAF would prove to be a continued reinforcement of my faith in our shared hobby, I'd have been very confused.

Keep on keeping on, gamers.
 
I find it a little hard to believe it's just a mistake. How do you even send these sort of interviews out to people like Rogue Star if you're not familiar with their role in Gamergate already? Guy hasn't actually released a game, currently sitting with a kickstarter that got 1 percent funded.

I feel like Tito probably didn't research it, but the writer had to have known. Did people like Tim Schaefer, Mike Blethell, etc not respond, or were they not contacted?
 
Seems like a mistake in judgment combined with poor research into exactly who they were interviewing. Not really sure we should be shaming journalists for writing a piece that we find distasteful.

I mean, Jenn Frank gets harassed and run out of games journalism because her article didn't have a disclosure that she had donated $5. Where's the fucking disclosure in this Escapist article?
 
I won't answer questions about certain articles (trust me, I have as much idea as anybody else and am still scratching my head over it) but I just wanted to say thank y'all for a lot of the rationality and reasonable discussion going on in this thread. Even with the varied stances, the vast majority of what I read here is like a goddamn oasis of decency.

If you told me a few years back that NeoGAF would prove to be a continued reinforcement of my faith in our shared hobby, I'd have been very confused.

Keep on keeping on, gamers.

I sent a message to EviLore saying the same thing a month or two back. The moderation here has been excellent. Not censoring opposing voices, but silencing those who bring down the community.
 
I sent a message to EviLore saying the same thing a month or two back. The moderation here has been excellent. Not censoring opposing voices, but silencing those who bring down the community.


Agreed. Across the board the moderation has been consistent and fair. It has helped to reduce the vitriol that used to give GAF a terrible reputation.
 
I feel like Tito probably didn't research it, but the writer had to have known. Did people like Tim Schaefer, Mike Bithell, etc not respond, or were they not contacted?

I don't know the whole situation, but I get the feeling that Tito (EiC) is caught in the middle of this whole thing. Macris (general manager) seems to have a clear affinity for Gamergate and I think Tito has to play clean up. He did a decent job trying to fix the issues he could today, short of taking the entire article down.

Sad that it went up in the state it did though.
 
Agreed. Across the board the moderation has been consistent and fair. It has helped to reduce the vitriol that used to give GAF a terrible reputation.

So I don't know if I'm opening up a can of worms or anything, but is there a good reason why that Imru guy was banned? Reading all of his posts, it doesn't seem like he was a jerk about what he believed or anything like that. He seemed really reasonable and level-headed.
 
Agreed. Across the board the moderation has been consistent and fair. It has helped to reduce the vitriol that used to give GAF a terrible reputation.
I guess I wasn't present for that stuff. My impressions of GAF has been nothing but positive. The most personable and friendly community I've been a part of and the only one where I can have legitimately reasonable and intelligent discussions.
 
I won't answer questions about certain articles (trust me, I have as much idea as anybody else and am still scratching my head over it) but I just wanted to say thank y'all for a lot of the rationality and reasonable discussion going on in this thread. Even with the varied stances, the vast majority of what I read here is like a goddamn oasis of decency.

If you told me a few years back that NeoGAF would prove to be a continued reinforcement of my faith in our shared hobby, I'd have been very confused.

Same.

I hadn't been on NeoGAF in awhile when the Five Guys videos blew up on the gaming reddits. Seeing so many who claimed to be standing up for 'gamers' being so nasty and hurtful, upvoted so highly, was depressing as hell. I do think of myself as a 'gamer' but if that was gaming culture... I wanted to get as far way from it as I could.

I happened to check NeoGAF and seeing this place I associate with pretty serious gamers being kind and decent was an incredible relief. This is gaming culture too.
 
Tim Schafer posted that on Twitter and people are trying to say it's not connected to GamerGate.... -_-
The funnysad thing about this is that they then say reprehensible shit like: "false flag." "her fault", which is very much behavior connected to ggate that makes them look like th...wooosaaaah.

Bad Boys 2 is so terrible. Yet I love it. I know that it's technically worse than the first one, but it's just so lavishly trashy. They're making a third one apparently.

Ok I'm calm now.
Is this the last page? I forget how threads work around here.
 
So I don't know if I'm opening up a can of worms or anything, but is there a good reason why that Imru guy was banned? Reading all of his posts, it doesn't seem like he was a jerk about what he believed or anything like that. He seemed really reasonable and level-headed.

You would need to ask a mod, but I'd assume that it was because he was using pseudo intellectual pedantry as a shield in order to post conspiracy theories without a shred of evidence.
 
Totally agreed. Also, I really like your blog. :)
Thanks for the kind words! I do it as a hobby, I just really love helping devs and spreading the word on cool games.

And yet another reason why GAF is great. The dev talent here is incredible. I started the Screenshot Saturday and Kickstarter 2014 threads and it's wonderful seeing the projects members are working on

Back on topic, I kind of wish we could get devs' opinions on this matter; they may have a different perspective on the effects and ramifications of GamerGate's actions.

Anyway, I've seen a lot of comments lately on my Twitter feed from devs being totally fed up with this GG nonense.
 
Judging by their actions? GG's goal is to remove nonstraight, nonwhite, nonmale people as well as any form of social commentary from video games and video games media.

If you ask GG they'll say when Kotaku, RPS, NeoGAF, and several other sites are all shut down, Zoe Quinn is in federal prison, and the holiness of the gamer identity is forever unquestioned.

The real answer, hopefully, is when their numbers dwindle and people see them for what they really are and stop putting up with this shit.

Won't happen at this point. There's enough to feed an echo chamber, so even if they're thrown out of mainstream discussion, they'll just have their own echo chambers (and this will radicalize them more). In this regard they are much like the UKIP or Tea Party.
 
Is that why you hide behind that mask?
He's an intrepid spaceman. Throughout his travels, he's gained a great distain for humanity, prefering instead the extraterrestrial races he's encountered on his interstellar journeys

Yeah, I had to start blocking/muting Twitter accounts because of this.
I had a bad habit of following anyone who followed me. And then I started seeing the kind of comments some of those people were making...

Have unfollowed and blocked quite a few accounts since all this started
 
Aside from some protracted discussions with more or less reasonable proponents of Gamergate that I was trying to tease some reasoning out of, the only thing that's come out of Twitter for me is that now one of my two Twitter Followers is Andrew W.K.

The internet is weird.
 
Abhorrent and revolting don't even begin to describe this shit. Threatening someone's life in horrifying and abominable detail and posting their personal information...

Now they have to spend the rest of their life worrying for their family's safety and whether someone might show up to their house in the middle of the night, all because some asshole decided to spend 10 minutes in the service of some pathetic cause, all the while remaining free from consequence and ownership via anonymity. At least Facebook shitheads put their names besides their actions. Despicable cowards.
 
Adam Sessler on Twitter
Tired of what's been happening for the past months. Tonight's news drove the nail in. I'm biting my lip but, in the end, I'm just tired...

GGer's response;
@AdamSessler We're referring to the female dev being harassed, she is explicitly blaming #GamerGate for it. The whole movement.

Adam
@JohnGulbonnie yeah...and there's good reason for that...these are the fruits of your labors, like it or not....

GGer
@AdamSessler The sole connection is that it was posting on the GamerGate board. That's like blaming 4chan for a single post.

Adam
@JohnGulbonnie nice try. I still don't think kindly of you. This isn't a debate.
 
The thing is, I have no trouble dismissing one or two incredibly terrible people making very serious threats as just fringe crazies who don't represent the whole of one group.

But when your "movement" has a culture of dismissing victims, blaming victims, claiming these vile threats are "false flags" or "they did it to themselves to get attention," that is very telling of how your group views women. Because rather than show empathy and a steadfast resolve to remove the people and views that contribute to that criminal behavior, people choose to dismiss and get defensive. And that's why I would never associate with GamerGate.
 
The thing is, I have no trouble dismissing one or two incredibly terrible people making very serious threats as just fringe crazies who don't represent the whole of one group.

But when your "movement" has a culture of dismissing victims, blaming victims, claiming these vile threats are "false flags" or "they did it to themselves to get attention," that is very telling of how your group views women. Because rather than show empathy and a steadfast resolve to remove the people and views that contribute to that criminal behavior, people choose to dismiss and get defensive. And that's why I would never associate with GamerGate.

Pro-GGs are always so quick to point out that anti-GGs have crazies, too. But, while that is true and those people do need to fuck off, that does not negate the above fact.

It simply does not matter how many people cry for the deaths of all male babies or whatever. The instigator was a bunch of idiots on the internet conspiring to commit crimes against someone based on her gender.
 
Adam Sessler on Twitter


GG response;


Adam
Oh no, poor ggate. People might think it's full of people incapable of empathy.
...indeed Adam, we're all tired.

Feel like a lot of people who care about the games industry and community just snapped into being completely, totally, utterly fed up with this bullshit.
 
Question: Have any of the online threats targeted against females in the gaming industry or press escalated into a real event? Meaning, are those making the threats showing up at the homes or offices of these females? Any threats coming through the postal mail? I hope not, but here is why I ask....

We keep hearing about threats through social media, email, etc., but I'm wondering if law enforcement can do anything more if something offline happens. It would be nice if those making the threats can be revealed and documented through police reports or restraining orders. I ask about postal mail because I believe postal inspectors can bring in other law enforcement personnel. Can anyone shed light on this?
 
Question: Have any of the online threats targeted against females in the gaming industry or press escalated into a real event? Meaning, are those making the threats showing up at the homes or offices of these females? Any threats coming through the postal mail? I hope not, but here is why I ask....

We keep hearing about threats through social media, email, etc., but I'm wondering if law enforcement can do anything more if something offline happens. It would be nice if those making the threats can be revealed and documented through police reports or restraining orders. I ask about postal mail because I believe postal inspectors can bring in other law enforcement personnel. Can anyone shed light on this?
I don't know anyone in the GamerGate group specifically but the kind of stalking occurring leads to violence against women every year: http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/feb/13/third-women-online-stalking-partners-exes
http://www.psmag.com/navigation/health-and-behavior/women-arent-welcome-internet-72170/
Stalking in any form is considered a criminal offense in most countries, regardless (though there are plenty of countries that are much more regressive about these kinds of events, unfortunately).
 
I don't know anyone in the GamerGate group specifically but the kind of stalking occurring leads to violence against women every year: http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/feb/13/third-women-online-stalking-partners-exes
http://www.psmag.com/navigation/health-and-behavior/women-arent-welcome-internet-72170/
Stalking in any form is considered a criminal offense in most countries, regardless (though there are plenty of countries that are much more regressive about these kinds of events, unfortunately).

Thank for the links, very informative articles, they were extremely frustrating to read considering that nothing could be done about the online threats.
 
Question: Have any of the online threats targeted against females in the gaming industry or press escalated into a real event? Meaning, are those making the threats showing up at the homes or offices of these females? Any threats coming through the postal mail? I hope not, but here is why I ask....

We keep hearing about threats through social media, email, etc., but I'm wondering if law enforcement can do anything more if something offline happens. It would be nice if those making the threats can be revealed and documented through police reports or restraining orders. I ask about postal mail because I believe postal inspectors can bring in other law enforcement personnel. Can anyone shed light on this?

As far as I'm aware, there haven't really been any "offline" threats made outside of some people taking photos of themselves outside of one person's business (though that may be for something else that I'm remembering that).

However, as for the authorities doing something more just because it's "offline" instead of online, I think more and more, the authorities are starting to do as much as they can when it comes to online threats like what's been shown here. They may have better or easier leads if someone were to actually send something physical in but it is perhaps no easier or harder than using something like an IP or email to track someone that made only an online threat. Assuming an effort is made, that is.

A few years ago I was a moderator on a rather large community forum site. I gave a member there a link to the forum rules after he started to get a little heated in a thread with other members. It wasn't an infraction, not a ban, just a link to the rules and a suggestion to chill out about something that was getting him a bit too riled up. He started to stalk me. He sent me threatening messages on the forums and on another site I was a mod on. He was banned repeatedly yet would make new accounts to message me. He publicly posted new threads with my address and number (though fortunately he had all of the information completely wrong). Though the information was wrong, it was still quite frightening at the time. I was away at college and I was worried about my family back home. I mean, what if this guy eventually found real information about me? In fact, I still have one of the messages saved in an email, sitting in my Gmail account. Here's a small bit from it:

Like I told you in the last PM John, I decide when I post on this site, not you. And I also told you I was about to obtain your address, after which you and me would be having a little tete-a-tete. I'm a man of my word, and also as I told you you're going to be the 4th moderator to whom I've taken the trouble to teach some respect and basic good manners. You still feeling cocky son? Still thinking you're the big I-am from behind the safety of your keyboard and monitor? Still think you can speak the way you do to people more than twice your age? You and me are going to have a good discussion on those issues, during which time I'm going to give you a good long hard smell of the coffee. You're going to be educated John, and some day you'll thank me for it.

My name isn't John, but this guy believed it was. And again, this literally all started because I linked the guy to the forum rules.

To make an already long story short, the guy was caught... eventually. Though it wasn't really thanks to having filed a police report. It took the effort of two different companies (the two sites I was a mod for) in order to find out where this person really was when he wasn't hiding behind proxies. It was only after a filing of a police report with the man's local authorities in a European town and a filing against that person's ISP, did the harassment finally come to an end. The reports were filed on my behalf by an owner at one of the companies that either lived in Europe or knew people there due to his job, I can't recall at this exact moment.

The thing is, I don't know if anything would have actually happened if I wasn't fortunate enough to have some people helping me out with it. If I just left it to the authorities, would it have stopped? Maybe. Maybe not. I was never really told the extent to which my local authorities helped, if at all. This was about eight years ago, so I'm sure things like threats made online are taken a bit more seriously now than they did then. At least, I'd hope so.
 
(possibly) Unpopular opinion: I believe that the movement isn't inherently flawed as a whole, it has merit if it's current goals can be believed and actually implemented (a rather big 'if', the way it's going currently) and actual discourse is allowed for once.

The biggest problems seem to be
A) the fact that it's heritage taints it in almost every conceivable way: twitter isn't a good format to have such an important discussion; hashtag activism is idiotic (remember kony 2012?) and the fact that all of it was originally founded on a (to my knowledge) baseless accusation of a conspiracy that I believe the alleged participants would not have the capability or influence of pulling off even if they tried.

B) There is entirely too much generalizing going on on all 'sides', vile, vocal minorities are being pointed at by the opponent as sole representatives; it's quite frankly just sad to see this. (paired with the idiotic allegations of open IRC chats filled with trolls and other toxic individuals being represented as 'leaderships' as well as the portayal of feminists as 'men-hating vipers poisoning everything')
The fact that even in this very thread some people decry the entire population of a enormous movement such as GG as mysoginists is a little shocking to me.

Please do correct me if I'm wrong here, but that sentiment has been ever too present as a result of recent events and I feel it is just not right to stamp a rather big group as something just because of a small radical, psycopathic subset of individuals that can be (at times) only loosely affiliated with the group.
Maybe I'm just crazy, I just think it's not right to condemn entire public groups like this on the basis of a few vile few.
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I really have tried to understand both 'sides' for over a month now, and I do not feel comfortable to affiliate with either on this.
One one hand #GG was born as a stupid half-joke in response to a (quite franky) bad and inflammatory video, on the other hand fact that the change in it's objective is being completely dismissed under the blanket of complete generalization and other terrible decisions and happenings surrounding anti-GG (the gamer's are dead thing blowing up, censorship of any early discussion because of the unfortunate origin of the discussion, not to mention the TFYC thing and the allegations leveled at indiecade)

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There was and maybe still is a worthwhile discussion here that has to be had about the state of what we call 'games journalism', but I fear that that won't happen for a long time because of the possible future mentality of "the last time we tried talking about this GG happened, so let's not talk about it at all"


TL;DR, I believe GG has the potential to become worthwhile grounds for an actual discussion about 'games journalism' and it's integrity, but that change in topic can not happen while doxxing trolls/psycopaths are being fed at all ends with the endless shit flinging, blaming and generalizing everyone is involved in every time these despicable attacks on public female figures in the industry happen.
 
So I don't know if I'm opening up a can of worms or anything, but is there a good reason why that Imru guy was banned? Reading all of his posts, it doesn't seem like he was a jerk about what he believed or anything like that. He seemed really reasonable and level-headed.

it seemed pretty obvious to me. he was being incredibly passive aggressive, framing his arguments in ways that were clearly made to be bait, and outright refusing to acknowledge counter points. pretty much saying "nuh UH, YOU prove it"

B) There is entirely too much generalizing going on on all 'sides', vile, vocal minorities are being pointed at by the opponent as sole representatives;

NO. Just no. People keep throwing around the "ITS BOTH SIDES" bullshit, but it really isn't. It's one side. One side is being petty, vindictive, racist, misogynist, sexist, threatening, harassing, and on and on and on.
 
(possibly) Unpopular opinion: I believe that the movement isn't inherently flawed as a whole, it has merit if it's current goals can be believed and actually implemented (a rather big 'if', the way it's going currently) and actual discourse is allowed for once.

The biggest problems seem to be
A) the fact that it's heritage taints it in almost every conceivable way: twitter isn't a good format to have such an important discussion; hashtag activism is idiotic (remember kony 2012?) and the fact that all of it was originally founded on a (to my knowledge) baseless accusation of a conspiracy that I believe the alleged participants would not have the capability or influence of pulling off even if they tried.

B) There is entirely too much generalizing going on on all 'sides', vile, vocal minorities are being pointed at by the opponent as sole representatives; it's quite frankly just sad to see this. (paired with the idiotic allegations of open IRC chats filled with trolls and other toxic individuals being represented as 'leaderships' as well as the portayal of feminists as 'men-hating vipers poisoning everything')
The fact that even in this very thread some people decry the entire population of a enormous movement such as GG as mysoginists is a little shocking to me.

Please do correct me if I'm wrong here, but that sentiment has been ever too present as a result of recent events and I feel it is just not right to stamp a rather big group as something just because of a small radical, psycopathic subset of individuals that can be (at times) only loosely affiliated with the group.
Maybe I'm just crazy, I just think it's not right to condemn entire public groups like this on the basis of a few vile few.
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I really have tried to understand both 'sides' for over a month now, and I do not feel comfortable to affiliate with either on this.
One one hand #GG was born as a stupid half-joke in response to a (quite franky) bad and inflammatory video, on the other hand fact that the change in it's objective is being completely dismissed under the blanket of complete generalization and other terrible decisions and happenings surrounding anti-GG (the gamer's are dead thing blowing up, censorship of any early discussion because of the unfortunate origin of the discussion, not to mention the TFYC thing and the allegations leveled at indiecade)

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There was and maybe still is a worthwhile discussion here that has to be had about the state of what we call 'games journalism', but I fear that that won't happen for a long time because of the possible future mentality of "the last time we tried talking about this GG happened, so let's not talk about it at all"


TL;DR, I believe GG has the potential to become worthwhile grounds for an actual discussion about 'games journalism' and it's integrity, but that change in topic can not happen while doxxing trolls/psycopaths are being fed at all ends with the endless shit flinging, blaming and generalizing everyone is involved in every time these despicable attacks on public female figures in the industry happen.
I don't remember the video that you're saying GamerGate was a response to? I think it's complete bullshit saying that it's a "small section" of GamerGate that is filled with assholes tbh. Every single comment I've seen anywhere from GGers on articles about GamerGate are absolutely vile.

Not only that, I haven't actually seen any actual concrete ethical issues being called out by the GG movement.
 
TL;DR, I believe GG has the potential to become worthwhile grounds for an actual discussion about 'games journalism' and it's integrity, but that change in topic can not happen while doxxing trolls/psycopaths are being fed at all ends with the endless shit flinging, blaming and generalizing everyone is involved in every time these despicable attacks on public female figures in the industry happen.
You don't need a hashtag to have ethics discussions. And the purpose of the hashtag itself was never to have reasoned discussion.
 
I don't remember the video that you're saying GamerGate was a response to? I think it's complete bullshit saying that it's a "small section" of GamerGate that is filled with assholes tbh. Every single comment I've seen anywhere from GGers on articles about GamerGate are absolutely vile.

Not only that, I haven't actually seen any actual concrete ethical issues being called out by the GG movement.

I was referring to InternetAristocrats 'Quinnspiracy' videos.

I meant to convey that I feel leveling allegations of misogyny against the entirety of GG to be ill-minded and very inflammatory. Generalizing a movement of this size is usually begging for a very negative response, especially if the accusations are of this severety.

I believe it depends on one's definition of "support", but I consider people supporters even if they do not regularily write their "140 minus hashtag" character messages on twitter. Supporting an idea goes further than that in my eyes, but maybe it doesn't in this case for many people. Not sure.
As a result I wouldn't take twitter and xchan or any comments section on practically anything as a whole representation of the movement.

You don't need a hashtag to have ethics discussions. And the purpose of the hashtag itself was never to have reasoned discussion.

I agree, I believe that's why many GGers have taken it upon themselves to host google hangouts and such. Sadly I didn't have the patience to sit through any of them but the recent Erik Kain one (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmosgPNXmNc) so I'm not sure how much actual worthwhile discussion happened in those. I did think the Erik Kain one was not without merit though. Maybe a good start to actual discussions in the future without the twitter stigma?

The original purpose of something does not set it's eternal purpose in stone, I feel like the change in objective can spark good, healthy discussions that came up as a result of it's original intention.
 
The original purpose of something does not set it's eternal purpose in stone.

Yes it does.

Everyone crying for journalistic accountability is fucking in an imaginary fight.
Everyone that is pro-GG for reasons other than sexism are ignorant pawns. Everyone that thinks there is some higher context here is getting played. Everyone that says GamerGate is not about sexism is only helping to further obfuscate the real motives from the public.

It boggles my fucking mind why people say they are pro-GamerGate when really they just are anti-bad media. I think gaming journalism sucks, too, but I'm not going to pretend that makes me pro-GamerGate or some shit.
 
Yeah, I think maybe the worst generalisation made has been "If you're an active member of Gamergate you're an arsehole bigot, or an ignorant supporter of arsehole bigots." Which while harsh, has proven largely true.

The reason people have no time for the stated journalistic ethics goals, besides even the fact that that was always an excuse for harassment, not some unconnected other part of the movement, and a smokescreen at that, is that none of their complaints have so far had much if any basis in fact. Circumstantial evidence at best.

And yes, as people have pointed out, saying Gamergate is an inherently misogynist movement is not actually saying every person using it is a misogynist. As people have said before. That classification comes not from a cherrypicking of the worst elements, but of an analysis that has taken place over almost two months now of the most commonly stated goals, the only concerted actions taken, and their self-identified "leaders but not leaders just publicly visible figures who do not represent us in any way but if someone challenges their shitty beliefs even if they're an ardent supporter we will hound them out of the movement" prominent members.

And no, even if the movement was entirely their "Current Aims", assuming we're going by what their actions tell us of those nebulous aims, it would still be a shitty regressive movement, it just wouldn't quite have that hate group tang to it. The only thing they've managed to do through legitimate means is to get an advertiser to pull money from a site due to the opinion of one writer they disagree with. That's a fucking shitty move. It's a legitimate use of whatever consumer power they have, but I can still think it's shitty and regressive and bad for the industry.
 
I still don't understand why anyone claiming to be "moderate" would still want to use that awful hashtag at this point. Make a different one! Do something else! It has been two months, do they still think we don't recognize it for what it really is by this point? Stop reaching out to shake with one hand and assume that I can't see the gun in the other.
 
The reason people have no time for the stated journalistic ethics goals, besides even the fact that that was always an excuse for harassment, not some unconnected other part of the movement, and a smokescreen at that, is that none of their complaints have so far had much if any basis in fact. Circumstantial evidence at best.

One more for me and then I'mma sleep, but I simply can't wrap my head around how GamerGate's response to almost every single accusation has been "well, they are lying and really did that unfathomably horrible thing themselves in order to make us look bad" or "they doctored those police reports/chat logs/tweets".....

and people just up and believe them.
 
People keep saying "the assholes are the fringe." No they're not. They're the most popular and vocal members. How on earth does someone like @FarttoContinue get 5k followers if it's just a few people? RogueStar has 2 thousand. Both of these guys are mainly known for their inflammatory stance on GG. The assholes get thousands of views on their videos and are incredibly popular with the movement.
 
I keep seeing this "both sides" stuff and have to ask, have there been any verified accounts of GG supporters being sent death/rape threats, having their personal info posted, or anything even remotely on the same level as what GG's are doing to multiple people? Because I've seen claims that those thing are happening but every specific instance I look into turns out to be fake.
 
I keep seeing this "both sides" stuff and have to ask, have there been any verified accounts of GG supporters being sent death/rape threats, having their personal info posted, or anything even remotely on the same level as what GG's are doing to multiple people? Because I've seen claims that those thing are happening but every specific instance I look into turns out to be fake.

Brad Wardell has received plenty over his time. He's had to call the police a couple of times in the past that I know of.
 
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