The point of video games are to kill people. Right. Sorry, I forgot for a minute. Thanks for helping out.
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The point of video games are to kill people. Right. Sorry, I forgot for a minute. Thanks for helping out.
Beyond that, Uncharted has very real human drama, unlike a game such as Metroid. But it doesn't do enough to address the people Drake has killed. Lazarević's "How many people have you killed, eh ... just today?" line shows that they are cognisant of it, at least.
It's not any easy thing to address without making the main character unlikable, but it's what a good writer would do. You can't just ignore those elements of the character.
Omnipunctual Godot
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More like Jerry Maguire.
SirMossyBloke
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*wooosh*
Acquiescence
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If you watch the actual interview, she isn't getting horny, she's getting emotional because he's talking about his cancer-stricken mother and how his victory at some bodybuilding event was all because of her and so on and so forth.
But yeah, it does really look like she wants to flick her bean in the context of the gif.
Would you care to enlighten us further about the point of video games or are you too busy doing foley?
Red Chocobo
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If you didn't kill anyone in a third-person shooter, you wouldn't get past the first level. You HAVE to kill them. It's the whole point of shooting games. You know. Shooting things.
He said "videogames", not "shooter games". If he wants to be general and vague to make his point, don't be surprised by the response.
Red Chocobo
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He even wears the corpses of some enemies.
SirMossyBloke
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Well seeing as you're being deliberately obtuse, I shouldn't have to. However the point of videogames is to simply have fun. If for some reason a 5 minute clip of someone telling him he's an asshole not being included in the game is enough for you to feel soured, then simply move on.
What do you expect after this sought after scenario? He suddenly starts wrestling his demons and wonders what it was all for?
I feel that sometimes people want to start arguments for the sake of them.
ProfessorMoran
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Joel is basically a blackhole that extinguishes life from around him.
Mario is the worst. Who in their right mind would go around stomping and killing mushrooms?
Pretty sure NG uses prerendered cutscenes and many of their high quality shots that they released to show off Uncharted 3/2 were from those exact cutscenes.
Acquiescence
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Yes you can. The Indiana Jones films ignored it and that didn't stop the original trilogy being recognised as the greatness it is. The only reason Indy doesn't kill as many people as Nate does is because one of the films typically lasts 2 hours, while one of the games lasts about 10.
You can actually just ignore them. Uncharted isn't trying to take itself too seriously. It's very easy to avoid the 4(soon 5) games if him killing thugs bothers you that much.
It's a third person shooter...if you take it to that extreme, then even Mario is a mass murderer.
Maybe he pulls an Old Snake and puts a gun in his mouth at the end of this game. Now that would be interesting.
IAmRandom31
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Something tells me the mod changed the title to get a laugh at the foreseen debate ...
call me crazy
call me crazy
……forgetit
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In context he was referring to separate genre's having there own points. It's not a big deal if one guy kills a whole army in a video game because it's a VIDEO GAME. there are plenty of games where what you do is fucked up or weird in the context of real life, but like I said, it's a game.
I'm pretty sure Dig-Dug is the worst. He inflates enemies with a weaponized pump until they explode.
This. Lots and lots of games involve killing X creature. It's bizarre to me that Uncharted is the only one that gets shit for it.
slade
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The minute Mario knocked out Donkey Kong.
Acquiescence
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Spyro the Dragon chases thieves around and lights them on fire with his dragon breath. He doesn't just kill his enemies, he lets them burn alive.
AyaisMUsikWhore
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Fuckable
graphics
Mario's got nothing on my WoW characters. Do you have any idea of the pure
GENOCIDE that I've committed with each and every one of them?
Should I go seek counseling now?
But he's so hot
SirMossyBloke
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I'm...actually OK with this if its the last one and there's a decent build up to it.
a secret-boss
Banned
More developed character than Marcus Fenix
Red Chocobo
Banned
Uncharted is based on the action movie genre.
The action movie hero mowing down enemies is a typical trope of the genre.
Ever see Commando? Arnie kills over 60 men. It's what people want to see when they watch an action movie. Action.
The action movie hero mowing down enemies is a typical trope of the genre.
Ever see Commando? Arnie kills over 60 men. It's what people want to see when they watch an action movie. Action.
Cranky is doing fine. Mario and the old DK were just putting on a show for the crowd. They don't really hate each other. Do you believe the guys pro wrestling really hurt and despise each other?
Drake's character and actions are not an incongruity.
How many motherfuckers does Master Chief blow away? Yet we don't have this conversation about him despite the fact that he is, tacitly, presented as an equally throughout-Good character. Arguably even more so than Drake is. 'But he's at war'... and Drake is acting in self defence, and had the pirates not been there, he'd have shimmied through the locale without harming anything. What's the difference?
Also, has the Pulp inspiration been lost on people? This particular depiction of morals is more to do with staying true to that genre than anything else. It's an action romp. Of course he's 'shooting the bad guy'. Criticising the game for that is about as good as criticising it for depicting him being greedy enough to go treasure hunting.
Wakey wakey.
How many motherfuckers does Master Chief blow away? Yet we don't have this conversation about him despite the fact that he is, tacitly, presented as an equally throughout-Good character. Arguably even more so than Drake is. 'But he's at war'... and Drake is acting in self defence, and had the pirates not been there, he'd have shimmied through the locale without harming anything. What's the difference?
Also, has the Pulp inspiration been lost on people? This particular depiction of morals is more to do with staying true to that genre than anything else. It's an action romp. Of course he's 'shooting the bad guy'. Criticising the game for that is about as good as criticising it for depicting him being greedy enough to go treasure hunting.
Wakey wakey.
Deadpool_X
Banned
Kinda looks like Liam Neeson when zoomed out.
A game based on Taken made by Naughty Dog would be 10x better than Uncharted.
Whether Mario kills the goomba or not is your choice, not Mario's. It's your fault. You're the villain.
Don't hang this on the working man.
Birgitte2004
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Drake's killcount is massively dwarfed by the following:
Pacman
Donkey Kong
Mario
Link
Samus
Commander Shepard
Cloud
Lightning
Lara Croft
Cole MacGrath(even the "good" version)
Ryu Hayabusa
Dante
Bub and Bob
just to name a few. And those are just named characters, the unnamed characters (like, from Multiplayer online shooters) dwarf even these.
Red Chocobo
Banned
The game gives you points for killing them.
You are encouraged and rewarded for murder.
The ghosts in Pacman are already dead so they don't count.
So there it is. You don't have a real issue, you just wanted to shit on Uncharted.
……forgetit
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Do you really believe that? Taken is awful.
slade
Member
If it helps you sleep better at night, the people Drake is killing are not real people.
But anyway, violence has been a part of video games for a long long time now. So yes, in the majority of genres, killing people/things is exactly the point.
Why are you so sure, that the "enemies" are not actually defending themselves instead and Drake is the actual good guy? Because Drake makes fun of his killings and is the funny guy in cutscenes?
Acquiescence
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If you follow the good route, you can choose not to kill anyone in the Infamous games.
... uh.
It isn't a video game problem. If you are using Mario and Spyro as counter examples, you are really missing the point.
Uncharted tackles themes that games like Mario and Spyro don't, but writes off its main character being willing to murder people as a gameplay expense. That's where the dissonance comes from. He has the kinds of relationship troubles real people have, but it really isn't addressed that he kills quite a few people outside of the gameplay.
I'm not saying "No more killing". I'd just like to see the characters around Nathan Drake react to him like people should. "So, how many people do you think you've killed?", "...". Something.
That's all. I don't think I'll say much more about it in this thread.
Xenon
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He is going to be a cursed soul who guards a sacred idol from treasure hunters for the rest of time.