I've actually been seeing quite a few former #Gamergate supporters abandon the tag because of the crazy people recently.
#GAMERGATE: The Threadening [Read the OP] -- #StopGamerGate2014
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Messofanego
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I had to do that for Daniel Vavra. Dude won't stop going on about it. And then, wearing that shirt in the latest Kingdom Come video...
It happened to Brad once several years ago, and it had nothing to do with this current situation. A crazy guy on a small forum who was mad about bugs in a game Brad made posted a link to a Google map with his home address on it. The crazy guy was immediately banned from the forum.
I wanna say both of them had followers before GG, also a few thousand isn't exactly a majority.
That said, there certainly is people that got substantial boosts from this like Mundane Matt and Aristocrat, neither of which have made and really noteworthy attempts at objective critique and such.
I think somewhere in this thread someone mentioned boogie being doxxed. I'd expect not nearly as many incidents solely for the reason that there is less 'media coverage' / outcry over GGers getting doxxed. That's my own speculation though. I've only ever seen people claiming they have gotten the same exact mails Brianna Wu got.
jim-jam bongs
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Yeah.
Wait. I'm pretty sure most of the hate/death threats he received were more recent when the allegations against him (harassment) were reported on by the media.
http://www.littletinyfrogs.com/article/448773/Vindication
I'm not saying it was "remotely on the same level" but didn't Boogie, Milo, and others get doxxed at some point?
tonysidaway
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It's not just distasteful. It's deceptive. I know the word "journalistic ethics" has been much abused lately by the Gamergate people, but it does still have meaning.
At least one female GG supporter who works as a professor somewhere had information disseminated and published some death threats she was sent.
Milo received a syringe of unidentified liquid with no information attached which is like the weirdest threat ever.
Apparently one of the initial #NotYourShield members had his boss contacted and was fired over it.
It's safe to say with a movement making people this (justifiably) angry, some less together individuals are going to lash back out.
It's not part of a concerted campaign, not explicitly, or (importantly!) implicitly supported by any kind of general feelings, attitudes, or common beliefs from those who oppose it, and no, so far, it hasn't been as bad as most of the harassment faced by GG's targets.
It's not worth denying, or trying to explain away, but that doesn't mean the equivalences drawn between the harassment of both "Sides" are any less ridiculous.
Milo received a syringe of unidentified liquid with no information attached which is like the weirdest threat ever.
Apparently one of the initial #NotYourShield members had his boss contacted and was fired over it.
It's safe to say with a movement making people this (justifiably) angry, some less together individuals are going to lash back out.
It's not part of a concerted campaign, not explicitly, or (importantly!) implicitly supported by any kind of general feelings, attitudes, or common beliefs from those who oppose it, and no, so far, it hasn't been as bad as most of the harassment faced by GG's targets.
It's not worth denying, or trying to explain away, but that doesn't mean the equivalences drawn between the harassment of both "Sides" are any less ridiculous.
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
Och psch I'm sure those are just some extremyl innocent tweets made by a jolly young fellow. It's just a joker making jokes on the internet and MAYBE going a little bit too far haha. After all, just because a person tweets horrible awful stuff doesn't mean they are horrible awful people right? It's basically the 2014 equivalent of egging somebody's house.
I'm honestly just waiting for somebody to say that. No seriously, that already happened didn't it? Fuck Gamergate. There I said it. I guess I chose a side now. When do I get my badge?
Seriously, fuck over-privileged gamer bigots who threaten women with death and rape simply for having an opinion over fucking luxury toys. No one should willingly legitimize this movement and no decent person should knowingly support Gamergate. This is straight garbage making death threats and spreading hatred and I don't give a flying fuck if you have a problem under that bigot umbrella.
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Apparently she's gonna try and make these available Online in the future and print more classes, with the proceeds going to planned parenthood.
Holding out for Social Justice Paladin... Or maybe Barbarian...
Morrigan Stark
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Wow, that's just.... His initial dismissive "b-but Amy Hennig doesn't say she's harassed, therefore harassment doesn't exist!" comment was awful enough but he's just been sinking lower and lower. This guy really wants to be sure I'll never give him my money, or something. Well, okay then. Too bad, I found the game interesting.I had to do that for Daniel Vavra. Dude won't stop going on about it. And then, wearing that shirt in the latest Kingdom Come video...
the person who made that storify with the Escapist apparently got doxxed as well and had people call his/her family.
And Eron Gjoni who is facing legal charges for harassment is asking Gamergate for help for legal defense. Imagine the response:
Meanwhile, let's look some more around 8chan's #gamergate board, shall we? This is one of the posted images on that board:
Finally I seriously can't believe someone actually said, wrote and published this:
pure distilled garbage
And Eron Gjoni who is facing legal charges for harassment is asking Gamergate for help for legal defense. Imagine the response:
Meanwhile, let's look some more around 8chan's #gamergate board, shall we? This is one of the posted images on that board:
Finally I seriously can't believe someone actually said, wrote and published this:
pure distilled garbage
Morrigan Stark
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Hahahaha Holy shit, that irony.... I have no words. The complaints about "supreme entitlement", followed by what is exactly that. Could it be more hypocritical and less self-aware?
"Please respect my right to hate your stupid game.... unless you slightly hate the game for having misogyny in it by giving it a lower score, in which case fuck you!"
rofl
With all the talk about "#GamerGate is not about this" and "#GamerGate is not about that" and "these guys don't represent #GamerGate", what even is it that the "moderate" supporters want at this point? Is it still about "game journalism ethics"? I seriously don't get how someone rational can support something that is clearly a hate movement.
Of course. Zoe Quinn, Jenn Frank, Mattie Brice, Brianna Wu, Anita Sarkeesian, and others are all part of the vast SJW conspiracy to change games that treat women poorly into games that... treat women less poorly. Also part of the vast conspiracy to have games that have more plot / emotional / cultural depth than a Berenstain Bears book. That's definitely worth faking death threats and harassment and worrying all your friends and family.
I completely agree with you, I honestly don't get why people would jump to the idea of "they're lying about this!". What would be the point of lying? There's hardly any benefit to making any of this up, not to mention that these people likely don't have a history of habitual lying. It's mind-boggling to me. And it really drives home what Sarkeesian said in her XOXO talk: "One of the most radical things you can do is to actually believe women when they talk about their experiences."
partyphone
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that's the thing, right? setting aside all of the horrible harassers and trolls gamergate is a deeply confused movement that doesn't know what corruption and ethics actually are. donating to a patreon, being in an email group, writing about the death of gamers, none of these things are corrupt or unethical. just generally being for ethical journalism isn't saying or doing very much and is certainly not worth giving cover to terrible people.
'Giving a fun game a low score because it's not "inclusive" is like breaking up with an amazing woman because her boobs don't have jiggle physics.'
...What? What does this even mean? Is the amazing woman that I'm dating a Dead or Alive character? Is it a real person with no breasts? Is this whole statement just a roundabout way to complain about criticism in critical reviews?
...What? What does this even mean? Is the amazing woman that I'm dating a Dead or Alive character? Is it a real person with no breasts? Is this whole statement just a roundabout way to complain about criticism in critical reviews?
This is the person posted above, right? What did they need the legal aid for?
There are only two ways that I can really understand it. Either they moderates are only claiming to be moderates and actually support the fringe members, or the moderates have sucked up only the specific propaganda that appeals to them and ignore everything else that comes out of the movement.
I think the fact that Gamergate simultaneously claims to be the "real feminists" while ragging on "feminazis" is pretty telling. They don't have any consistent position beyond wanting to harm women who speak too loudly and their supporters. They're just saying whatever they need to in order for that to happen.
captainnapalm
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The best advice to give either of these two sides is for them to to just start ignoring the other. Is there a sizeable clique of games journalists with very specific social and political views, and do they push them quite aggressively? Yes, but so what, let them do what they do. By making a big deal out of it, you're only adding to their (relative) celebrity and giving their cause more exposure. The haters have probably given Anita Sarkeesian and her videos much more exposure than her supporters have.
Similarly, there are a lot of social justice types who get off on antagonising nerds and "gamers", but all that does is make them more determined. The people who complain loudest about gamergate are without a doubt the people most responsible for creating it.
Similarly, there are a lot of social justice types who get off on antagonising nerds and "gamers", but all that does is make them more determined. The people who complain loudest about gamergate are without a doubt the people most responsible for creating it.
Yikes. What the hell are the escapists doing?
Are you serious?
Those women were kinda asking for it really.
Gamergate's agenda is to stop women from talking. That's why Anita Sarkeesian got the hatedom she did. Not because of any radical supporters or anything she said; most of the antagonism towards her are due to positions that she doesn't actually hold.
If we stop talking about Gamergate, there are two outcomes. Either they successfully stop women from talking or they keep harassing them until they do. Gamergate will never ignore their opponents because that goes against their very reason for existing as a label.
outunderthestars
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That is some quality victim blaming right there.
Lalalandia
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Wow you didn't even try to inform yourself before posting here huh?
So your post is basically both sides are as bad as one another but especially those 'social justice types'. No mention of the Brianna Wu doxxing, the ZQ hate mill, the LA whinefest for the deliberately ignorant and all of the other hateful shit. No the most important aspect to directly attribute blame to is a willingness to address games as an art form worth discussing in an adult fashion.
At least other GGers had the honesty to come out directly for their cause.
captainnapalm
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Leigh Alexander and her ilk are not victims. They're frequently, purposefully, antagonistic.
Lalalandia
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And there we have it folks an unapologetic victim blamer
Who is her "ilk", by the way? Feminists? Women who involve themselves in the gaming industry? The SJW collective?
outunderthestars
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Writers, critics, developers, etc should be able to be provocative or controversial without having to fear for their safety.
So they are responsible for the death threats, rape threats, angry phone calls to their family, their friends getting harassed who have nothing to do with GG, and all the shit that gets throw their way for their extremely non-controversial opinion.
Also what do you mean by "her ilk"? There is no "ilk". What a gross way to put that.
Edit: Let's not focus on the harassment. That's not the problem. The REAL problem is that the tone in their articles (that no one reads) is too harsh. That's that real issue here, right?
Because threats of sexual violence towards women are a legitimate form of discourse.
captainnapalm
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People who share her views and support them. And excuse all her shitty behaviour.
More_Badass
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And so what? They deserve what they got for sharing their opinions and thoughts?
You do realize how that sounds right?
Prax
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You should probably stop posting right now or retract your statements.
I think you have poor judgment of the situation. And someone being "antagonistic" doesn't mean they can't be victims of threats against their person and criminal activity leaking their private information.
So just stop.
captainnapalm
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The people doing that are a minority, and it's in no way helpful to paint that kind of behaviour as somehow being indicative of "gamers" as a whole.
Lalalandia
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You mean like that time she published that persons home address, contact details on the web and proceeded to harrass them night and day online and off?
Because it didn't happen and that you think her article warrants such a response makes you a really shitty person.
outunderthestars
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More_Badass
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Obviously, but that's not what we're talking about
You were saying how they're not victims because they're "antagonistic".
You are implicitly supporting that minority of douchebags by putting the blame on her and her "ilk", it doesnt paint a pictures of "gamers", it does paints a bad one of you.
Can you point us towards that claim? I've heard it alluded to more than once, but I've never seen anyone actually back it up.
It's pretty obvious at this point that there's a certain movement within Gamergate's proponents to try to silence criticism, and it's often through posts like Captainnapalm's above. Paint the criticism as problematic in order to allow Gamergate to continue unopposed. 'Just shut up and let us win.'
captainnapalm
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If you could point to anything I said that made you think I don't agree with this statement, that would be great. In fact, my first post pretty much said that gamergate types should just let them be and let them do what they do.
voodoopanda
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write an article about how people who play video games are way more diverse than just a small group of vocal harassers --> get harassed by people who believe people who play video games are way more diverse than just a small group of vocal harassers
it's really kinda amazing.
it's really kinda amazing.
But there are many, many people in GG who as you put it "excuse their shitty behavior". Many out right call it a false flag as we've just seen in the recent female dev being attacked. So we shouldn't excuse Alexander and friend's behavior but GG's behavior can be hand waived with "it's just a minority"
It's not just a minority.
It's the toxic behavior and mob mentality that enables the treats. It's the mob not fact checking if the conspiracy is true before the pitchforks come out. It's the hundreds of tweets and angry email that pile on people. It's the very real and organized harassment campaigns. It's people going after the advertiser of a website because of their completely harmless views.
Even the so called "moderates" have show some very awful behavior. There is a heavy stink of toxicity in the air where GG folks hand out. Edit: They are so mad and want to see things burn. They are obsessed with Feminists, SJWs, and game critics. Their behavior is stalkerish in the way they focus on certain people.
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