Yes we do.
You keep talking about the final fight in Book 2 as if it were a good thing
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You keep talking about the final fight in Book 2 as if it were a good thing
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It's too bad Aang didn't have another giant monster to fight when he became a Kaiju
Atraveller
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m_shortpants
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My thoughts exactly.
As for Varrick, I feel like his entire plot was useless in book 2. There is literally no payoff or effect. He exists for the sole reason of giving Bolin, Mako, and Asami something to do. He ends up going to jail and then escaping. He didn't need to exist and book 2 would have ended the same.
I like the character but I don't know why he exists. I like the moments he has ("Good question Asami. What are any of us doing here?") but I don't see the point unless he does something major this season.
SlowRevolution
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season two of avatar the legend of korra was Bad Television ™
shira
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The implication...
Avatar sex is best sex
Atraveller
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But not like this.
ATLA Book 2 sure has some great episodes (and is probably the overall best season of the series). The only aspect of it I didn't like was the Appa missing stuff. I felt like it dragged on too long. I also feel like that stretch of where they first get to Ba Sing Se and they introduce the Dai Li, also felt to drag a bit (but that was mostly because, Aang was still upset over Appa, and then you had that episode where we see everything from Appa's perspective as well as the Tales of Ba Sing Se episode -- which is actually a good episode in its own right, but kind of mixed in the broken up flow of the season, it's a strange run in the series).
That's really the only flaw for me. Ba Sing Se was still amazing. And getting introduced to the Dai Li was awesome. So not many complaints. I just feel there was like a 3-4 episode stretch that kind of dragged for me (at least from a character point of view). Especially when the first half was soooo damn amazing and was firing on all cylinders. It just kind of felt like a break in the flow of things. It's kind of funny, because I initially liked Book 3 more than 2. And yet, I saw a lot of people hate Book 3. My opinion over time has shifted back to Book 2 being the best season. And I'll agree that Book 3's cut budget, and it having some bland episodes detract from it. But I still think overall, Book 3 has some of the best episodes (and I don't quite get the hate I see for it in some sects). And I like the darker/tone and the focus on the characters more than the side plot (it became less of an adventure show that season, and I think that actually worked).
Book 1 is the only thing in ATLA that I feel is hard to age. The first half more specifically. But even the first half had some pretty damn good episodes. And the season really comes together in that back half run of episodes. Of course, I'll always love Book 2 because of Azula.
EDIT: If ya'll don't mind, I would like to take up the Avatar Bet stuff again and run them. I hope you guys are cool with that. I'm going to super deadly sick, but I still want to run them as it gives me something to do. But if I become too sick to do them, then I'll hand them back off to someone else. We have so far....
I'll contact Brawndo now though via PM and make sure he's cool with it.
Oh man, I'm the opposite. I super hated that fight, and thought the length was already awful. For me, we already had the Raava vs Vaatu fight in the Wan/origin episode. And it was much cooler, and more epic (in terms of the choreography). Korra + Unalaq re-enacting the same fight, and dragging out the fight to stupid levels of length (like illogical levels), just made me roll my eyes. I also feel like the writers were trying to do whatever they could to make it more tragic for Korra, and kept piling on stuff (but after a certain point it became comical). And then it just kept getting dumber and dumber with that Kaiju status. I literally laughed when Unalaq became that big red ugly super hero squid head. Or when Korra was stomping around as a big blue thingy, and shooting shit out her chest.
The Jinora stuff was kind of like, cherry on top of all the shit Sunday. I was in such shock at what I just seen.
m_shortpants
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Oh man, I'm the opposite. I super hated that fight, and thought the length was already awful. For me, we already had the Raava vs Vaatu fight in the Wan/origin episode. And it was much cooler, and more epic. Korra + Unalaq re-enacting the same fight, and dragging out the fight to stupid levels (like illogical levels), just made me roll my eyes. And then it just kept getting dumber and dumber with that Kaiju status. I literally laughed when Unalaq became that big red ugly dude. Or when Korra was stomping around as a big blue thingy, and shooting shit out her chest.
The Jinora stuff was kind of like, cherry on top of all the shit Sunday. I was in such shock at what I just seen.
Yup. I remember just sort of having this face while watching it:
I still haven't re-watched any of that finale. Ugh, what a mess.
Yup. I remember just sort of having this face while watching it:
I still haven't re-watched any of that finale. Ugh, what a mess.
I guess on some level, I kind of understand what they were trying to go for in terms like, it being a spiritual fight (to represent the fight of good vs evil at harmonic convergence), but it kind of fell off the tracks for me on a character level (plus I don't even think it was that entertaining). It also kind of bugged me how, Korra pretty much got wrecked. But in the end she's able to come back anyways, because....light over takes darkness? Light can't ever die, the same way dark can't ever die? I mean..okay. It's kind of like, you know your protagonist can't ever really die (or lose in a main conflict). That's a given. But I hate it when fights take place, and it feels like they had no reason to win. Although, it's kind of crazy that Korra is like the Avatar + all her past lives on top of being able to bend all the elements. And she still got rekt by Unalaq before he went super saiyan!
I feel like the Zaheer fight made more sense to me (like in terms of how she struggled because the poison, but then how she came back and bested Zaheer because even when she was poisoned she was much stronger then his ass. And when Zaheer did get the upper hand, it was because he used tactics to run away, or dodge vs. over taking her with sheer power like Unalaq was able to).
That's how I feel also. It's not horrible, especially compared to the rest of animated TV out there. I actually rewatch episodes like Beginnings 1 and 2, and the best action scenes a lot, but the overall season is hard.
Yeah I was kind of confused by that as well. She beat Vaatu/darkness into nothing. But we know that darkness will just re-grow out of Raava. The same way that after Raava was destroyed, she existed within Vaatu (since light and dark must always exist, one can't exist without the other). So theoretically, Vaatu will eventually be re-born out of Raava...which is tied to Korra.....
So what will happen? I suppose we won't know for another 10,000 years
I still wish that Harmonic Converge/Avatar origin plot was the final plot for this series. And that, it ended with Korra ending up being the bridge (literally) to the spirit and physical world. Which also meant, being the container for light vs. dark (so that the battle of Harmonic Convergence wouldn't have to take place in the future, as the Avatar has balanced it out for the world). I mean, I guess that's possible still. But my point is, that wasn't how the plot was portrayed. And I kind of wish it was.Atraveller
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10-thousand-years from now, the dark spirit would emerge from the avatar, and the Republic Galaxy must use her fleet of spaceships to defend herself.
10,000 years from now, the Avatar will fuckin implode as their body is torn to shreds as darkness emerges and light separates to wage an epic battle from the carcass they emerged from.
The Avatar will be dead. Guts will be floating in outer space. It shall be glorious.
m_shortpants
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Yeah I was kind of confused by that as well. She beat Vaatu/darkness into nothing. But we know that darkness will just re-grow out of Raava. The same way that after Raava was destroyed, she existed within Vaatu (since light and dark must always exist, one can't exist without the other). So theoretically, Vaatu will eventually be re-born out of Raava...which is tied to Korra.....
So what will happen? I suppose we won't know for another 10,000 years
I suppose...I read another interpretation that said that since Korra did the whole spirit bending thing it was similar to how one kills off the Avatar cycle...or something.
Why can't Vaatu just go to another human like Raava does? Is he gone forever? But that isn't balance...so yeah will he just show up within the Avatar one day?
Too many questions that I think can't be answered.
Atraveller
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Man fire benders and air benders would be very useless in space.
Hmmm. I really kind of question their decision as writers with how they concluded that plot. I mean, I get that...there are fictional elements (like magic in fantasy) that can't really be explained in detail. And that's fine. I don't need every aspect of this shows mythology to be detailed or explained. But I mean, I still feel like even on a thematic level, the Book 2 finale really...didn't land on anything? I dunno. It just feels like such a strange way to end this massive arc. It feels really aimless and without a ton of resolution to what the fuck happened. I'm happy with the end result (ie. the two worlds bridged as one). But...I guess the conclusion was...Harmonic Converge came and went, and Light won again this round (but barely)....I mean okay. I guess?
Ok, this got me good.
Maybe we'll get a 2-in-1 Avatar when he comes back? Double Avatar goodness.
Atraveller
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A schizophrenic avatar.
Yeah I was kind of confused by that as well. She beat Vaatu/darkness into nothing. But we know that darkness will just re-grow out of Raava. The same way that after Raava was destroyed, she existed within Vaatu (since light and dark must always exist, one can't exist without the other). So theoretically, Vaatu will eventually be re-born out of Raava...which is tied to Korra.....
So what will happen? I suppose we won't know for another 10,000 years
Yeah same here they kinda screwed up having it occur halfway through the show as its quite the event importance with you know the world potentially falling into ten thousand years of darkness.
It kinda hard to top something like that.
Oh well i'm still really liking Kuvira quite a bit hopefully they don't go full evil on her.
Kuvira is super interesting. I really liked her a lot from the premiere. I just hope they don't chicken out like they did with Amon (by making it about him, and swaying away from the political plot line). Because I really felt like, Zaheer (and Book 3 in general) was them making up for the mistakes of Book 1's ending. And I hope they continue to make up for that, by NOT reducing Kuvira to a muhahah evil person. And that they don't shy away from the political plot line here, and they address it as apart of Korra's struggles. I also hope she doesn't end up like Unalaq, where she' reduced to a raving lunatic driven by her lust for power (rather than having some kind of complex motivation/conviction).
But I'm trying not to have too much expectations here, and I'm willing to let things go the way they go...since this is the end of the series. Even if they don't end up the way I want them, I just hope that it's entertaining as hell. I think, we can all at least enjoy that.
Air benders could destroy spaceships by bending the air pressure and imploding them from within.
Fire benders could uh... they could uh.... cook food?
m_shortpants
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See, this is kind of interesting. If the Avatar verse planet civilization is able to go to space and colonize other planets...who cares about harmonic convergence? Is this a universe level thing? Or a planet level thing? Since it's spirits and everything I suppose it would be universal...pure cosmic power and all that...
...I'm overthinking this. Time to go to bed.
Yeah, ironically, metalbending earthbenders will be the most useful in space, and even so only slightly. Waterbenders will have to search desperately for comets or something made out of water ice.
Firebenders technically just heat up stuff and flames come out of burning air. But whatever, never going to happen.
Or will it...?
googleplex
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Actually Airbenders would be able to create and hold a bubble of atmosphere in a vacuum. Fire benders would should be able to control plasma streams in space also.
Use a little imagination gaf
Ripping plasma from the sun and the atmosphere from a planet? Okay, useless
Atraveller
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That's out of their league don't you think? Sounds like something that could only be done in avatar state.
HeartlessNobody213
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I know season 2 gets a lot of hate on here and even I admit it has its problems but it's not terrible and you shouldn't skip it. A lot of what happens in season 2 has a major impact on season 3. Besides it's only about 14 half hour episodes, so it really shouldn't take too long.
Nah still give season 2 a watch as despite it been quite uneven there's still some great episodes in it. It improves a great deal after the halfway mark even if the finale still causes quite a bit of division amongst the fanbase.
Plus binge watching it definitely helps.
Have to be some pretty powerful airbenders to take away a planets atmosphere.
Plus: firebenders can't bend through thick walls, can they? And just in a suit in space isn't the best position in a fight.
JadedWriter
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I love me some azula too bad we won't see her in Korra. I find Kuvira to be one of my favorite designs. I was watching the Panel on youtube seeing how the Kuvira design changed as the planning went along was fascinating. I'm still a bit bummed that they had to ditch her ponytail though. Her intro scene in book 3 showed how pretty she is. I'm new here, hello KorraGaf.
Welcome to the Kuvira fan club. Listen, did you like Book 2's finale or not?
That decides whether we keep you or not.
……forgetit
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We still talking about the shittastic book 2 finale in here? It looked cool, but Damn was it stupid.
shira
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If you acknowledge a Book 2 we drop you
Zuzula is real, beeleeve
That does it, I think book 2 needs Voldemort status --> The-book-that-shall-not-be-named
^Yeeeeeeaah.
Sure. At least the Jinora stuff. But I wasn't a fan of all her screentime to begin with.
That's just wrong.
Korrasmai is the way.
Sure. At least the Jinora stuff. But I wasn't a fan of all her screentime to begin with.
If you acknowledge Book 2 we keep you
That's just wrong.
Korrasmai is the way.
Atraveller
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Besides, there is no air in space.
JadedWriter
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I didn't like book 2 at all on my first viewing. To be honest it weirded me the fuck out. I didn't even find an appreciation for it until I watched Avatar first, then going through season one and two of Korra again. Is it my favorite season? No. Will I skip it when I marathon the series again? No. I look Book 2 for pretty much Varrick, Eska's dead pan sadistic weirdness, how Nuktuk was a spoof of the old school Flash Gordon serials and getting to know Bumi and Kya. I tolerated Unalaaq (thought he had a rather elegant and precise water bending style) and I liked watching the air bender family. Kaiju Korra was hilarious though and came out of nowhere. Book 2 is pretty much just a season that you either love or hate or I guess learn to see some good in. It's not Book 3 though. I love Mad Stan and his cronies. Oh god I didn't even answer the question. I don't hate the finale...it's just weird.
Good enough.
I don't think I've said this, but I absolutely love the Nuktuk stuff. It was great to see Bolin doing that kind of thing, and the final episode featuring it colliding with Varrick's plan was pure joy to watch.
JadedWriter
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God I found that hilarious. It's just Bryke taking the piss and making fun of 50's sci fi serials. I lost my shit over the Pabu eye lasers.
shira
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Kind of dumb how the Sun is fire bending. When it is made of plasma.
Wooooo I hope Korra uses Plasma Bending and Gravity Bending at some point.
Lightning is plasma. Atmosphere is air.
Atraveller
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And a tsunami is just water, but only Aang managed to raise one.
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