JadedWriter
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Korra can't compete with that swagger, especially current half dead, my bending fell off the wagon Korra. She'd get her shit kicked in.
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Legend of Korra Book 4: Balance |OT| A Feast of Crows
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Wonder if Asami has any dance moves...
Best Kuvira post.
Love that art style.
LOL
shira
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She gets her cumuppins at the Green Wedding
Judging by the trailer she will. I want to see her fight Huey Freeman and see Kuvira fight young Azula.
JadedWriter
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I'm not expecting her to win, but I would like to see her live. They already killed Ming Hua. I'd like to see one of my favorite villains survive.
Only with Korra.
I know that...
I. Kuvira will probably die or at least be defeated (obviously).
II. Will be reduced to an evil villain.
But I kind of would love to see Kuvira rek Korra and for Korra and Her allies to actually be wrong about what Kuvira is doing. Basically I think Kuvira is God tier next to Asami while Korra on that bottom feeding tier. Thank you Bryke for the wonderful creation.
I. Kuvira will probably die or at least be defeated (obviously).
II. Will be reduced to an evil villain.
But I kind of would love to see Kuvira rek Korra and for Korra and Her allies to actually be wrong about what Kuvira is doing. Basically I think Kuvira is God tier next to Asami while Korra on that bottom feeding tier. Thank you Bryke for the wonderful creation.
I'm not seeing the appeal of Kuvira. I mean, she's obviously better than Unalaq, but Melon Lord was a better villain than Unalaq.
Okay, look, Aesthetically, she looks extremely normal. Like, pleasantly so, but she doesn't have as much presence as Amon or Z-team in terms of just looks. I think partially this is because her uniform is nearly identical to Bolin's. She just has slightly larger shoulder armor, and very minor details on her suit (like having 2 layered belt to Bolin's 1). Otherwise, the only other distinguishing feature is her head. Her design should have the viewer immediately distinguish that she is the one in charge at a glance, and I don't think it does that enough. There ought to have been some greater aesthetic to set her apart.
In terms of her character, while the philosophical debate of governance is genuinely compelling in a general sort of way, it's just not my field. Psychology, spirituality, character themes, worldbuilding, sociology? Sure, I'll dive into those regardless of anything else going on. Systems of Governance? Eeh....And yet, I feel like I could make a in depth argument on how TLA was an examination and ultimate denouncement of imperialism and so on... but if I were, it'd be because of how it affected the characters. Katara and Sokka's homeland was ravaged, and Aang's people genocided, and Zuko's situation was entirely because imperialism allows people like Ozai to flourish while Iroh's kindheartness was treated as weakness. It was very intricately woven into the narrative by having characters we care about directly affected by it as the basic premise of the show. For them, I'd be willing to go into uncharted territory when it's usually not my thing.
Legend of Korra doesn't have that benefit. I mean, lets go through the Krew. What is their investment in this? Mako and Bolin have relatives in there, but really they ought to just tell them to suck it up and move. The place is burned down, has a terrible habit of falling into corruption when it's operational, the new king is an idiot, and they're not lacking for anything in Republic City or if they absolutely need to be in the Earth Kingdom, then I'm sure there's another place available. And keep in mind, this is my speculation. We haven't been told (unless I'm not remembering) why Mako and Bolin are part of the force to rebuild Ba Sing Se other than the writers grasping at ways to still include them in a story that hasn't been about them since season 1. Asami? Business, as usual, which is very impersonal. Business has been her motivation for the last 2 seasons, and we never actually go into HER story, how her business is run other than "She's doing this now". The writers have to keep coming up with new stuff for Bolin and Mako, which has their roles being very random, but Asami's is just boring because it's always "She has now invented this new thing, and is doing business in that region." It's monotonous.
So that leaves Korra. Kuvira, as someone mentioned, would make a very good foil for Korra, as she is a reflection of the kind of character she has been through the show. She is tough, a great fighter, very confident, set on being the hero that unites the homeland, and she often uses force to get her way. But Korra's ONLY objection to Kuvira's plan thus far is "I should be the one uniting the earth kingdom!" Like, she doesn't object to her methods (I doubt that she's aware of them, but still), she doesn't disagree with the unification as an idea, she doesn't even dislike Kuvira I don't think. She just took her job. I mean, if she is just a glory hog and cares more about being the one who unites the earth kingdom rather than just it being done so that people can live their lives, then she's kind of a jerk. I really, really doubt that will be all there is to this conflict and I'm sure they're going to villainize Kuvira before long. But, as of right now, that's her only stake in this fight: Her ego.
And we don't even know WHY Kuvira is doing what she's doing. I mean, again, I'm sure they'll elaborate on it later, but right now she's just a well oiled machine doing a good job on what Korra agrees should be done. What am I supposed to say about her, other than she's physically tough and debatably unnecessary forceful?
So yeah, Kuvira comes across as a villain that would be great, if she had been been placed in a completely different place in the series. Like, what if she joined the Krew in Book 3 instead of just being Background Character 22? It'd feel more personal atleast. As of now, this is a conflict that is pretty damn interesting on paper, but isn't working for the story due to lack of narrative hooks. Even if I disagree with Kuvira completely, there's no investment in it for me. And I don't disagree with her completely. Nor do I agree. I have no strong feelings on her either way. She feels like she's a character of another story, but hers is not the one I am here for.
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Okay, look, Aesthetically, she looks extremely normal. Like, pleasantly so, but she doesn't have as much presence as Amon or Z-team in terms of just looks. I think partially this is because her uniform is nearly identical to Bolin's. She just has slightly larger shoulder armor, and very minor details on her suit (like having 2 layered belt to Bolin's 1). Otherwise, the only other distinguishing feature is her head. Her design should have the viewer immediately distinguish that she is the one in charge at a glance, and I don't think it does that enough. There ought to have been some greater aesthetic to set her apart.
In terms of her character, while the philosophical debate of governance is genuinely compelling in a general sort of way, it's just not my field. Psychology, spirituality, character themes, worldbuilding, sociology? Sure, I'll dive into those regardless of anything else going on. Systems of Governance? Eeh....And yet, I feel like I could make a in depth argument on how TLA was an examination and ultimate denouncement of imperialism and so on... but if I were, it'd be because of how it affected the characters. Katara and Sokka's homeland was ravaged, and Aang's people genocided, and Zuko's situation was entirely because imperialism allows people like Ozai to flourish while Iroh's kindheartness was treated as weakness. It was very intricately woven into the narrative by having characters we care about directly affected by it as the basic premise of the show. For them, I'd be willing to go into uncharted territory when it's usually not my thing.
Legend of Korra doesn't have that benefit. I mean, lets go through the Krew. What is their investment in this? Mako and Bolin have relatives in there, but really they ought to just tell them to suck it up and move. The place is burned down, has a terrible habit of falling into corruption when it's operational, the new king is an idiot, and they're not lacking for anything in Republic City or if they absolutely need to be in the Earth Kingdom, then I'm sure there's another place available. And keep in mind, this is my speculation. We haven't been told (unless I'm not remembering) why Mako and Bolin are part of the force to rebuild Ba Sing Se other than the writers grasping at ways to still include them in a story that hasn't been about them since season 1. Asami? Business, as usual, which is very impersonal. Business has been her motivation for the last 2 seasons, and we never actually go into HER story, how her business is run other than "She's doing this now". The writers have to keep coming up with new stuff for Bolin and Mako, which has their roles being very random, but Asami's is just boring because it's always "She has now invented this new thing, and is doing business in that region." It's monotonous.
So that leaves Korra. Kuvira, as someone mentioned, would make a very good foil for Korra, as she is a reflection of the kind of character she has been through the show. She is tough, a great fighter, very confident, set on being the hero that unites the homeland, and she often uses force to get her way. But Korra's ONLY objection to Kuvira's plan thus far is "I should be the one uniting the earth kingdom!" Like, she doesn't object to her methods (I doubt that she's aware of them, but still), she doesn't disagree with the unification as an idea, she doesn't even dislike Kuvira I don't think. She just took her job. I mean, if she is just a glory hog and cares more about being the one who unites the earth kingdom rather than just it being done so that people can live their lives, then she's kind of a jerk. I really, really doubt that will be all there is to this conflict and I'm sure they're going to villainize Kuvira before long. But, as of right now, that's her only stake in this fight: Her ego.
And we don't even know WHY Kuvira is doing what she's doing. I mean, again, I'm sure they'll elaborate on it later, but right now she's just a well oiled machine doing a good job on what Korra agrees should be done. What am I supposed to say about her, other than she's physically tough and debatably unnecessary forceful?
So yeah, Kuvira comes across as a villain that would be great, if she had been been placed in a completely different place in the series. Like, what if she joined the Krew in Book 3 instead of just being Background Character 22? It'd feel more personal atleast. As of now, this is a conflict that is pretty damn interesting on paper, but isn't working for the story due to lack of narrative hooks. Even if I disagree with Kuvira completely, there's no investment in it for me. And I don't disagree with her completely. Nor do I agree. I have no strong feelings on her either way. She feels like she's a character of another story, but hers is not the one I am here for.
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I don't see why you guys like Asami. She's just a useless shoehorned character invented for random teen romance that was injected in the series. In comparison to a non-bender like Sokka, she minus well just be the cabbage man. They should just kill her off to make the plot more interesting.
Also the only one dying is going to be Opal. Writers need Bolin to get mad. She will be the only death before the the finale.
She had the best side plot in Book 1. Not our fault Bryke treating her like garbage.
She had the best side plot in Book 1. Not our fault Bryke treating her like garbage.
JadedWriter
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Based on Kuvira's stares...she's evil. She might as well be Unalaaq in the Nuktuk movers. Kuvira is an excellent female character on the show though. She takes shit from nobody. Even Varrick is a little afraid to be his comedic self around her. She turned Bolin into a man for christ's sake.
The real proof of her power.
JadedWriter
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Kuvira puts hair on your chest.
So do the writers.
JadedWriter
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Mako is fine as long as you get passed all of the Makorra hate and how he drags down Asami in the second season, especially with how he didn't respect their second relationship enough to tell Korra that he's now seeing Asami. And considering how Asami is a world class money bender and actually liked him a lot in Book 1 I'd stay with Asami. Besides Asami isn't going to explode on you and come to work and kick over your fucking desk when you disagree with her. I really wish they'd do a flashback with Tenzin dumping Lin.Are people still afraid to admit that Mako has become a top tier charcter and is superior to Bolin?
WhereAreMahDragonz
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The Makorra finale is going to be incredible.
I can feel it.
I can feel it.
Well, okay maybe not top tier. But he's better than Bolin (and it pains me to say that, as I loved Bolin in Book 1 and parts of Book 2). Although...I am kind of digging Bolin in the Metal Clan army...
I just feel like, out of all the characters they probably did the best course correction with him. And I can still agree he's kind of bland. But I don't hate hate him...the way I did in Book 1. And I actually think other characters have become worse as the series has gone on.
I gonna need a bucket if thats happens. Disgusting.
lmao, perfect
And for me Mako is at his best when he's paired up with Bolin.
Mako's has only 2 basic traits at this point.
1. His life sucking. His misery is our enjoyment. He must repent for Makorra.
2. He's the attack dog. Whatever else can be said about him, he's proficient in fighting.
2a. Sometimes he plays the detective. Sometimes.
Compared to Bolin being an idiot for comic relief and somewhat competent fighter but not as much as Mako...yeah, I guess I'd put him over Bolin. Not exactly a big milestone, but there you go.
JadedWriter
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Given Lin's temper I have a feeling that Air Temple Island used to be bigger. Probably just went Avatar Kyoshi on the place. But I do love that comic.
And for me Mako is at his best when he's paired up with Bolin.
Oh don't get me wrong, he's still shallow as fuck. I think most of the side characters are, just for the fact that they don't have enough time to flesh them out. A lot of what Mako is, is very surface level ideas and things. And they still don't know how to use these characters.
But I still think they did more to move him in the right direction then they did with other characters (except I guess Korra, but they did a very poor job with transitioning her from a raging asshole, to what she is now). I hated Mako in Book 1. Now he's more tolerable, and he does some pretty cool shit from time to time (but I agree he still blends to the background, and has a bland personality). I'm just amazed that he ended up being better than Bolin though. Wouldn't have predicted that.
But maybe t here is hope with Bolin in Book 4 (with him being Kuviras henchmen). Or maybe not...lol (you know that conflict won't last long, and he'll defect quick, and become the same idiot comic relief).
JadedWriter
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I'm pretty sure that Mako grew up a bit working for Lin. She's not taking his attitude for a second. That and I think he actually likes being a cop, it gives him a purpose. Working for Wu on the other hand is a different story.
It used to be Air Temple Peninsula.
Yeah. Plus I think, unintentionally him being in an abusive relationship with Korra, and getting the fuck out...kind of made you like him more (again, I don't think that was intentional lol). I would say that + him being a detective, did a good job making him stand on his own from Book 1. I also like him paired off with Lin (it's a shame they rarely do this, and the cop stuff is so shallow and not fleshed out).
I do agree with others that, him paired off with Bolin is usually great. I think they have good chemistry (I just hate how they made Bolin in Book 3. In a lot of his scenes with Mako, he was just an annoyance and distraction, and not funny. Not even Mako wanted to put up with his bullshit).
I just think low key, I think Mako ended up being one most improved characters. Even if his personality is still bland, even if they don't know what to do with him. He's not like the angsty/douche from Book 1 that was only a romance plot device.
CreeperBlocks
Banned
While Bolin is doing this...
Mako doing this...
The show would be so much better if Bolin were dead. I hate him so much. what a Shit Character. I needed to vent that out.. everytime I see him on screen I just wanna punch him.
I don't have much hope. I mean, really, why is Bolin even there? I don't see how they can make it substantial without it being a massive info dump. I doubt Bolin's relationship with Kuvira (which does not extent commander-subordinate) is going to be anything worth investing.
On the other hand, we know that Mako's life with Wu sucks a big one, and that he's going to cook fools once shit flies. Like you said, shallow, but atleast he's not pretending not to be anymore.
Lord_Byron28
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I'm not seeing the appeal of Kuvira. I mean, she's obviously better than Unalaq, but Melon Lord was a better villain than Unalaq.
Okay, look, Aesthetically, she looks extremely normal. Like, pleasantly so, but she doesn't have as much presence as Amon or Z-team in terms of just looks. I think partially this is because her uniform is nearly identical to Bolin's. She just has slightly larger shoulder armor, and very minor details on her suit (like having 2 layered belt to Bolin's 1). Otherwise, the only other distinguishing feature is her head. Her design should have the viewer immediately distinguish that she is the one in charge at a glance, and I don't think it does that enough. There ought to have been some greater aesthetic to set her apart.
In terms of her character, while the philosophical debate of governance is genuinely compelling in a general sort of way, it's just not my field. Psychology, spirituality, character themes, worldbuilding, sociology? Sure, I'll dive into those regardless of anything else going on. Systems of Governance? Eeh....And yet, I feel like I could make a in depth argument on how TLA was an examination and ultimate denouncement of imperialism and so on... but if I were, it'd be because of how it affected the characters. Katara and Sokka's homeland was ravaged, and Aang's people genocided, and Zuko's situation was entirely because imperialism allows people like Ozai to flourish while Iroh's kindheartness was treated as weakness. It was very intricately woven into the narrative by having characters we care about directly affected by it as the basic premise of the show. For them, I'd be willing to go into uncharted territory when it's usually not my thing.
Legend of Korra doesn't have that benefit. I mean, lets go through the Krew. What is their investment in this? Mako and Bolin have relatives in there, but really they ought to just tell them to suck it up and move. The place is burned down, has a terrible habit of falling into corruption when it's operational, the new king is an idiot, and they're not lacking for anything in Republic City or if they absolutely need to be in the Earth Kingdom, then I'm sure there's another place available. And keep in mind, this is my speculation. We haven't been told (unless I'm not remembering) why Mako and Bolin are part of the force to rebuild Ba Sing Se other than the writers grasping at ways to still include them in a story that hasn't been about them since season 1. Asami? Business, as usual, which is very impersonal. Business has been her motivation for the last 2 seasons, and we never actually go into HER story, how her business is run other than "She's doing this now". The writers have to keep coming up with new stuff for Bolin and Mako, which has their roles being very random, but Asami's is just boring because it's always "She has now invented this new thing, and is doing business in that region." It's monotonous.
So that leaves Korra. Kuvira, as someone mentioned, would make a very good foil for Korra, as she is a reflection of the kind of character she has been through the show. She is tough, a great fighter, very confident, set on being the hero that unites the homeland, and she often uses force to get her way. But Korra's ONLY objection to Kuvira's plan thus far is "I should be the one uniting the earth kingdom!" Like, she doesn't object to her methods (I doubt that she's aware of them, but still), she doesn't disagree with the unification as an idea, she doesn't even dislike Kuvira I don't think. She just took her job. I mean, if she is just a glory hog and cares more about being the one who unites the earth kingdom rather than just it being done so that people can live their lives, then she's kind of a jerk. I really, really doubt that will be all there is to this conflict and I'm sure they're going to villainize Kuvira before long. But, as of right now, that's her only stake in this fight: Her ego.
And we don't even know WHY Kuvira is doing what she's doing. I mean, again, I'm sure they'll elaborate on it later, but right now she's just a well oiled machine doing a good job on what Korra agrees should be done. What am I supposed to say about her, other than she's physically tough?
So yeah, Kuvira comes across as a villain that would be great, if she had been been placed in a completely different place in the series. Like, what if she joined the Krew in Book 3 instead of just being Background Character 22? It'd feel more personal atleast. As of now, this is a conflict that is pretty damn interesting on paper, but isn't working for the story due to lack of narrative hooks. Even if I disagree with Kuvira completely, there's no investment in it for me. And I don't disagree with her completely. Nor do I agree. I have no strong feelings on her either way. She feels like she's a character of another story, but hers is not the one I am here for.
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It's only the second episode. It seems extremely premature to even write or criticize most of these things. Korra hasn't even met Kuvira, of course she isn't going to have an opinion of her. Mako is a detective that works under Lin which is why he got assigned to being Prince Wu's body guard. It had nothing to do with his interest or lack there of in rebuilding the earth kingdom. Bolin's girlfriend was in the metal bending city where Kuvira was in. Bolin spent time there so he was around when Kuvira's mission of unifying the earth kingdom happened which is why he joined Kuvira.
JadedWriter
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Bolin is fine was he's not in socially awkward raging douche bag mode. When he's actually himself he's fine. Though I know Tonraq wanted to smack him out of that airship in that one scene. They really should pair Mako and Lin up more. They have an odd chemistry, plus it shows Lin actually being a human being, which we don't see that often.
I wonder if the writers will get lazy, and just kill Opal. That way it makes Bolin angry = CHARACTER GROWTH. lol
Would be one way to get Bolin moved into a different direction, with minimal effort. But I doubt they'll do something that ballsy.
Lose it?
First off, you must not be well acquainted to me if you expect succinctness.
Second, yeah, well, that's kind of the problem. I'd give the series the benefit of the doubt, but they stalled for 6 episodes before they had Zaheer meet Korra and never went into the reasons he felt so strongly about his beliefs, nor did Korra engage with him about them on any meaningful level. They did better with Book 3 than 1 and 2, but still not good enough. Why should I assume this is different?
And I know the plot reasons for why Mako and Bolin are there technically. I'm asking where is the emotional investment? Why should I care about Mako's doing grunt work from Lin? And it's not good to argue that Bolin is doing it on behalf of the city his girlfriend lived in when it's his girlfriend that is chewing him out for working with Kuvira in the first place.
JadedWriter
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I think if you stop for a second and realize that Bolin or Mako for that matter never really grew up with a mother or authority figure in their life it would explain why being under Kuvira would actually do Bolin a lot of good. I'm not exactly telling you how to think it's just something that I've never seen you bring up in your debates.
On a side note, I want to apologize in advance if I get annoying. I'll probably be posting a lot in this thread. I woke up this morning feeling the worst I've ever felt. I was in tears, I'm just doing so badly right now with my treatment. I wanted to give up. I don't have anything or anyone, no reason to really to keep it up. But I'm holding on to this thread + Korra + the things I enjoy. Talking with you guys is the only thing I have left. And it means a ton to me. Like it's the only thing getting me through the day. If I'm going to be suffering alone, might as well try to do anything I can to find something to brigten my day. So you might see me post a fuck ton, and if it ever gets annoying just ignore the posts. I'll try my best to at least make it insightful.
CreeperBlocks
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I love Bolin (in concept)...and even I've come to dislike him.
Season One Brolin was okay but.. in Seasons 2 and 3 I was like shut the fuck up you aren't funny anymore, you're obnoxious.
JadedWriter
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Finding something to believe in and cling to is a fuck ton better than having nothing.
That's a nice explanation, but it's projection. You're elaborating on a relationship that the show hasn't. Essentially, you're filling in the blanks for the writers to give it more depth than it actually has. Projection is perfeclty fine when you use it to enhance your personal enjoyment of the story, but you can't argue for it's authenticity until it's made part of the show.
I kinda like that though. Not every character is meant to be likeable. It makes the show more realistic.
It's okay. We enjoy your input, and completely understand wanting to talk to someone when you're feeling down.
First off, you must not be well acquainted to me if you expect succinctness.
Second, yeah, well, that's kind of the problem. I'd give the series the benefit of the doubt, but they stalled for 6 episodes before they had Zaheer meet Korra and never went into the reasons he felt so strongly about his beliefs, nor did Korra engage with him about them on any meaningful level. They did better with Book 3 than 1 and 2, but still not good enough. Why should I assume this is different?
And I know the plot reasons for why Mako and Bolin are there technically. I'm asking where is the emotional investment? Why should I care about Mako's doing grunt work from Lin? And it's not good to argue that Bolin is doing it on behalf of the city his girlfriend lived in when it's his girlfriend that is chewing him out for working with Kuvira in the first place.
I've always been meaning to ask you Veelk...
But how did you feel about Book 3 on the whole? I think you liked it quite a bit. You had issues (as I did about some things here and there). I see you mention them stalling the Zaheer + Korra conflict. It's true, they waited like 8 episodes actually before Zaheer and Korra actually clash. I guess technically, it was Episode 6 she found out that they were even coming for her (so 6 episodes before the main protagonist even became aware of the main conflict).
Did you...at least like the side plot they had that filled up that time? I've been thinking a lot about it. I know, episode to episode I really enjoyed Book 3. Just in terms of the episode structure and pacing. I found each episode to be entertaining. And that was a massive step up from Book 2 (which IMO failed even on a technical writing level, it couldn't even cobble together a coherent narrative structure with each episode).
But I wonder looking back, if each episode really was used well in Book 3 (I mean leading up to Zaheer). I still feel the show has some major problems with the side characters (too many) and they haven't done a great job fleshing them out. It's kind of interesting, but Book 3 tried to tackle the Air bender plot as a main side plot. And that really took up a lot of the other time that could have been used for side characters (In book 2, Tenzin + his family also took precedent over the side characters). I'm starting to wonder why they didn't just make Tenzin + their family Korra's Avatar group, and skip out on Bolin/Mako and Asami.
I also feel like, they could have done more with Zaheer if he was going to be the central conflict at the end. Even like ONE episode dedicated to him and his beliefs. Just something. So I feel like Book 3 is another case of them taking on too many major plot points. I guess the air bending plot came full circle at the end, and was apart of the Zaheer conflict (and the resolution at the end). But it felt kind of clunky to me.
EDIT: To be clear, I loved Book 3. It was probably one of my favorite seasons of Avatar (I even liked it more than ATLA Book 1 I think). I really enjoyed it. I'm just talking technical stuff, because why not. So I did in fact love Book 3 front to back.
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