#GAMERGATE: The Threadening [Read the OP] -- #StopGamerGate2014
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My friend at a local area publication(The East Bay Express) wrote a cover story on the GG and harassment, interviewing a bunch of local bay area developers. It's worth a read.
Are you saying they're not feminists?
What are they saying? Why are they thrashing Neogaf?
A red carpet event isn't really an "impersonal event". They're catered, provided with alcoholic provisions and usually very lavishly treated. Some critics started refusing the special treatment (like roger ebert, who, surprise surprise, was harassed online by gamers for criticism of the medium), but why target underpaid critics when there are billion dollar industries that dangle proverbial carrots in front of them?
I'll PM you, no need to publicize it.
Gutsy Frog
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This is ironic because the last video poops on Extra Credits pretty heavily. Dude's a /v/irgin through and through so there's snark all throughout but he makes an extremely good point.
Instig8ive also became e-famous with his Anita criticism videos which, while once again occasionally mean, do make good points.
NoblesseOblige
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My guess is because users here aren't fitting into their narrative that GG is a force for journalistic integrity. They've aligned themselves against many individuals that have openly opposed corruption in the gaming industry for years simply because these people wouldn't ally with GG.
Dr_LucienSanchez
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Since I'm entirely unfamiliar with her, what's her deal? She seemed to be purely reading off of a list of gamergate demands / talking points. And of course she also mentioned the bayonetta review thing, stating that all reviews need to be purely objective. Thankfully the host commented on how silly that was from the perspective of someone who loves films.
Dunno, but GAF in general seems to be the target of a bunch of GG ire. I think a lot of them skim this thread and then get outraged, for whatever reason.
Publicize what? Is there some extremely secret and controversial thing NeoGAF is doing that will make this thread explode in screams and flames if it is revealed?
plagiarize
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And we should be damn proud of that.
How so? PM me if you don't want to go into it on the thread.
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Deleted member 126221
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I'd say that, yes.
I just read as a top story on the BBC that Anita had her talk at the Center for Women and Gender cancelled due to a threat promising a "massacre style attack". This makes me really deeply sad.
My partner is a gender specialist, and it's pretty tough these days to explain to her why the industry I work in has a fan base containing people who are doing this. It's also really deeply saddening. I appreciate the people here who are defending sanity, as honestly, the topic of misogyny and anti-feminism is very close to my personal life, and too difficult to talk about here without getting upset.
My partner is a gender specialist, and it's pretty tough these days to explain to her why the industry I work in has a fan base containing people who are doing this. It's also really deeply saddening. I appreciate the people here who are defending sanity, as honestly, the topic of misogyny and anti-feminism is very close to my personal life, and too difficult to talk about here without getting upset.
Well, I can't actually watch the video right now, but I'm looking at their Twitter feeds and seeing them make approving statements/retweets about Hotwheels, Sargon et al. If it walks like a duck...
I'm sure by posting the tweets we would, in a roundabout way, be allowing banned users to post again.
as a matter of fact, i found that dead early guy that was banned yesterday by simply searching "neogaf" and "gamergate" on twitter!
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Downplaying the worth of those terms because you don't agree with how they're used, "we" perspective, downplaying that there are people to who those terms unequivocally apply, and pretty much removing minorities from the equation entirely
Two of them stated in the interview that they were not feminists. I think the third said she was, but she wasn't a "radical" feminist, and was disgusted by what "SJW"s were doing.
Reading the comments here...
It makes me kind of happy...
To see normal people open the GG-ers eyes to how silly it sounds that Anita is a hoaxer. Don't you think the FBI would figure that out? Do you REALLY think she's that much of an evil mastermind that she would outsmart literally everyone but GG...? Including journalists, police, the FBI and the IRS...?
Ahhhhh...! Please snap out of this...
It makes me kind of happy...
To see normal people open the GG-ers eyes to how silly it sounds that Anita is a hoaxer. Don't you think the FBI would figure that out? Do you REALLY think she's that much of an evil mastermind that she would outsmart literally everyone but GG...? Including journalists, police, the FBI and the IRS...?
Ahhhhh...! Please snap out of this...
Peter Bazooka
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So you guys are still pretending GamerGate is a hate movement and ignoring the disgusting actions of the anti-GG crowd huh? I bet all three of those woman on Huffington Post also have internalized misogyny right?
What a joke this site has become.
What a joke this site has become.
I mean if most people didn't have internalized misogyny we probably wouldn't need feminism.
NoblesseOblige
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There are people who think Anita is working with DARPA. Soooo.... yeah. There are crazies out there who believe there's some elaborate ruse going on to undermine video games and the people that play them.
WTF are you even talking about,
no one even dared to sum up wtf this huffpost thing is about so clearly everyone know what you're talking about
Garrett Hawke
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GamerGate is a hate movement. Anyone who actually cares about journalistic integrity or whatever should have fled this ship long ago.
I think what she is trying to say... to put in another example... Let's say a reviewer really dislikes homosexuality and purely based on that reason docks several points from games like Mass Effect 3 or Gone Home which portrays homosexuality positively, but then again digs everything else about the games. I also remember a controversy when Spore was out. A creationist butchered the game because it didn't fit with his creationist worldview. He got a lot of negative feedback for that review.
So all the Neogaf hatred stems from this thread? That sounds really weird to me. Neogaf can't be responsible for their members viewpoints.
It's DARPA not the NSA, that's the actual theory.
SquiddyCracker
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So #stopgamergate2014 is the anti-gamergate?
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Common sense is the anti-gamergate
There's no pretence here. We're full on affirming that Gamergate is a hate movement. That's its origin, its greatest achievement was actively censoring outlets with opposing opinions and scare away and harass journalists and independent writers from the industry.
SquiddyCracker
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I'm just trying to keep track of all the involved movements. So far it seems you got the SJWs, the antiSJWs, the #gamergate-crowd, and now the #stopgamergate2014?
NoblesseOblige
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You're welcome to follow suit of the Gaters and leave to continue and trap yourselves in your own little bubble where you can echo whatever narrative you think is real. That right will always be welcomed to you.
Anton Sugar
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I just heard about her today, as I was curious if the #GamerGate tag would bring up anything interesting on Twitter today, in light of the threats against Sarkeesian.
There are a ton of pro #GamerGate tweets about Jennie, saying she's a feminist female gamer who supports #GamerGate.
So I look her up, find her Youtube, and her 4 minute video on "Why you shouldn't worry about gender in video games". It can essentially be summarized with:
You shouldn't worry about gender in video games because:
-Gender inequality/representation are unavoidable in all mediums, so video games shouldn't be attacked alone
-1990s uproar over violent video games (Mortal Kombat) may be the root of gender inequality uproar
-Video games should be lauded for letting you play as men OR women (she incorrectly refers to this as "all genders")
-Men and women both play video games (she claims this puts all genders "on the same playing field", often together, so gender differences "hardly matter now"
Here is a rough transcript of some of her arguments:
Honestly, I don't understand how anyone can take issue with Anita's arguments/videos and yet also support Jennie's shallow stance.
Prax
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Reality has an anti-gamergate bias. >__>
Trying to keep up with this thread is exhausting, but at least it keeps me informed on the latest happenings.
Hopefully when this whole thing causes gaming to hit rock bottom before it can recover, it isn't the kind that includes actual death, because it's already claimed the mental health of many people and their quality of life.
Trying to keep up with this thread is exhausting, but at least it keeps me informed on the latest happenings.
Hopefully when this whole thing causes gaming to hit rock bottom before it can recover, it isn't the kind that includes actual death, because it's already claimed the mental health of many people and their quality of life.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Are you having fun
NoblesseOblige
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My bad, wrong organization.
BlastProcessing
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I dunno, what if a Journalist with no integrity publicized a bunch of gossip about my sex life to manipulate a group of people into forming an organized hate campaign?
That would be pretty unethical.
I wish it was #GamersAgainstGamerGate to emphasize that the people being attacked are gamers too. I'm a gamer. RPS are gamers. NeoGaf is gamers. Dare I say it, even Leigh Alexander and Brianna Wu are gamers.
Well, honestly I wish someone would report on it. But it's hard when things are still pretty skewed. :\ All I can do is wade through tweets and say sorry on behalf of those awful people on "my side."
However, misogyny is just a fancy word for hater. We all do it. It's just someone who hates women for specific things. Has nothing to do with self-loathing, it just has to do with being angry. Men hate men sometimes and women hate women sometimes, often for very specific things they denounce from their selves. If I hated on Kim Kardashian it would still be misogyny. If I hated on Bieber it would still be misandry. If I hated on everyone it would be misanthropy. It's a common thing that we all do, especially to prominent figures that we can project on. Hate is a natural, perfectly fine part of living. I wish people would understand that.
The best thing to do is understand where our hatred is coming from so we can better control it and solve problems.
Edit: oh. :C
Baron_Calamity
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Lalalandia
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Yup it's hate movement, it started as new tag for the Quinnspiracy hate movement courtesy of Adam Baldwin and later wore a cloak of those who were offended by LAs article (which was published a day after ABs tweet).
As opposed to what's being done here where you focus on the actions of a small few and ignore the larger goal most people involved in gamer gate?
True heroes of GamerGate, these women:
https://twitter.com/georgieonthego/status/521771621905104896 - note, this is from only two days ago
https://twitter.com/AndreaBettis_/status/522072051260350465 (Retweeted by participant @ShuluuMoo)
And Jennie Bharaj on: "Why You Shouldn't Worry About Gender Roles In Video Games". Glad that's settled!
https://twitter.com/georgieonthego/status/521771621905104896 - note, this is from only two days ago
https://twitter.com/AndreaBettis_/status/522072051260350465 (Retweeted by participant @ShuluuMoo)
And Jennie Bharaj on: "Why You Shouldn't Worry About Gender Roles In Video Games". Glad that's settled!
Morrigan Stark
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She did. Sorry if that displeases you.Haven't read those comments so I can't say anything about it...just talking about her video game YouTube stuff, or rather, what I've seen of it.
Depends on if she slams Bayonetta or not, though. My gf and I love Bayonetta.
I don't think the terms should be downplayed; I think those words should continue to carry the strong negative connotation they have had historically. But I think their overuse in modern online communications is weakening / going to continue to weaken that connotation.
Not sure about the "we" perspective; Hell to quote a post a little below me "we should be damn proud of being seen as the anti-GG HQ." I don't think it is a far cry for me to say that the majority of people participating in this thread were either never fans of GG to begin with, or have been put off by the increasingly hostile and escalated levels of threats that folks choosing to associate themselves with GG have been doling out like candy to anyone (especially women) who dare say anything bad about GG. I might be wrong about that?
Heh, I had minorities in the post originally - but I'm convinced this has more to do about economics and class than race. Usually when you look at various statistics (education, health, etc), while there is usually a correlation between the statistic and other factors (race, location, parental education, etc); the strongest correlation usually always comes down to wealth. I tend to be a "follow the money" person more than anything.
Though I know for at least education; the racial correlation is stronger than the wealth correlation (rich black kids will score the same on tests as poor white kids, for instance) - and to me, that seems like a very strong indicator that there is some sort of systemic racism built into the whole damn process there.
Side Note: I also didn't want to start a whole derailing based on race; different topic for different time. I've become more and more cynical about progressive pushes in gaming because outside of sexism - I feel like race is basically ignored unless it is very egregious (see; Resident Evil); which is a large factor in why I believe this current push for a new viewpoint to look at games with is based more on economic factors rather than a genuine desire to do good (it can be both, mind you, and it's a good thing when social progress aligns with economic factors; it usually means that the progress actually gets done). But I very well realize that "follow the money" are my rose-colored goggles; and I'd be happy to know about more popular racial criticism of gaming in the last 10 months that is not located on a site that is devoted specifically to racial criticism (IE, more mainstream outlet based articles).
Someone mentioned a long time ago on this thread that they would do a KS about racial criticism similar to what Anita is doing. Even as someone who is not really hurt by racism (I'm Indian, so model minority ftw) comparatively speaking; I would pledge that HARD.
Are there people still pretending it's anything but that? Because it's been shown time and time again that they're more concerned about someone daring to have an opinion about women in video games than anything about ethics.
Anyone making irrational threats to the GamerGate crowd are also bad. However they don't have a collective banner to say to them 'Hey, you guys are also being assholes. You don't have to tolerate their intolerance but making threats doesn't make you the better person either.'. If there was, then I'm certain most of the rational people arguing about this would be on board.
NoblesseOblige
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No, we've been focusing on the actual goal of GG which is rooted in hate. The majority of us 100% support the fight for journalistic integrity. We just don't support GG because that's not what they're about.
BlastProcessing
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http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/oct/13/gamergate-right-wing-no-neutral-stance
Hear that, centrists? You are literally worse than harassers. Also made of slime, which is nice I guess.
She actually said that the rhetoric was slimy. She did not say that somebody was "slime".
It's a small mistake but I point it out because it is part of a pattern of people who seem to twist what Anita says.
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