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Legend of Korra Book 4: Balance |OT| A Feast of Crows

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Htown said:
I don't like weird fan art, I don't like weird shipping talk, and I don't like when people blame characters for shit they didn't do, just because they were in the general vicinity. Korra didn't screw up and lose connection to her past lives, she had the avatar spirit literally ripped from her body and attacked. When Ba Sing Se fell, it's not that she didn't care, it's that she was captured and then stuck in the damn desert, and as soon as she got out she had to deal with Zaheer trying to mass murder all the airbenders. Then she was fucking paralyzed.

What did you want her to do before that? Start a fucking war with the Earth Queen and take over Ba Sing Se herself? She already went in and rescued all the airbenders, when really let's be honest, the Queen had the legal right to conscript her citizens.
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I edited my post. But the tldr; is, I agree that fans are too harsh on Korra (especially with Book 3). But I think the writers are to blame for how they've executed the story/character. I still shake my head at their comments about her Book 2 arc (making really awful/insufferable on purpose, to make her redemption seem stronger). They are to blame for a lot of the dislike for her as Avatar.

As far as the shipping talk and bad fan art, sorry? I'm 100% sure that everyone in this thread that do this, are just having fun and aren't being serious. There is nothing else to talk about before an episode airs, so they are just wasting time and being silly. There is no doubt serious shippers, and crazy fans on tumblr and reddit that take it seriously. I don't think anyone on here is like that (sorry if there are), but are more so just having fun and poking fun of those aspects of the fandom. I know I'm not serious at all when talking about shipping.
 
Azula said:
Korra didn't really care about the political climate in the Earth Kingdom. She had no concern of the plight of the people. I mean, they never once showed her expressing that she needed to do something about Ba Sing Se and the people suffering. In fact, she was pretty adamant that her only goal was to get the air benders from out of the city, and that she would be on her way if she got that.

Basically, I'm not sure if that's really a negative? I mean...it would only be bad IMO, if Korra had said something to the effect that, she felt it was her responsibility to intervene in places where the people are suffering under their government. But she never said that anywhere in the series. I mean, at that point she was 100% focused on her next goal of bringing back the air nation. She had pretty much set that up, as her next big thing that would define her as the Avatar.
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I understand that, but I think she would had more of an influence in Ba Sing Se then finding the Airbenders. Mostly because Finding the Airbenders isn't really a Avatar exclusive job. Though it might just be Korra and the writing team not having enough episodes to cover everything.
 
360pages said:
There was still things she could have done, even if it showed them to fail it was still something. What about Omashu, or telling more people and what not. Just bringing it up to someone would have made it feel less passive.
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I remember her complaining to Su Yin about it very briefly. The only thing is you don't just casually topple a monarchy and even if they did get rid of the earth queen who or what do they replace her with? Since they're still trying to fix the power vacuum in the Earth Kingdom that situation wasn't exactly an easy fix. If she did complain to the right people would the Earth Queen peacefully step down? Or would she being as egotistical as she was go to war over it thus leading to the most deaths since the 100 year war. It's not really an easy fix.
 
360pages said:
I understand that, but I think she would had more of an influence in Ba Sing Se then finding the Airbenders. Mostly because Finding the Airbenders isn't really a Avatar exclusive job. Though it might just be Korra and the writing team not having enough episodes to cover everything.
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It's def that
 
JadedWriter said:
I remember her complaining to Su Yin about it very briefly. The only thing is you don't just casually topple a monarchy and even if they did get rid of the earth queen who or what do they replace her with? Since they're still trying to fix the power vacuum in the Earth Kingdom that situation wasn't exactly an easy fix. If she did complain to the right people would the Earth Queen peacefully step down? Or would she being as egotistical as she was go to war over it thus leading to the most deaths since the 100 year war. It's not really an easy fix.
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True, but the power vacuum itself was more caused do to Republic City wanting to hurry up and get back to the status Quo rather then trying to promote change. Though I guess this leads back to the major problem about legend of Korra.

Why is it that only the villains seem to care about changing the world? Outside of Season 2 and post identity Amon. It seemed that the Bad Guys are the only one giving a shit about how the world turns out.

Amon, wanted Non-benders to be equal to benders, and went to extream, but he could have had a point. (Too bad the writers didn't give a damn and made him just a bad guy)

Zaheer, noticed the corruption of hierarchy and wanted to change it. (He was crazy as hell and was wrong) But at the same time, the Earth queen was obviously evil and everyone was like.

Man whatever.

Even when Satan! was threatening the world. The President couldn't even spare a single ship out of his thousand to help Korra. Even when he actually somewhat believed her.
 
Azula said:
Korra didn't really care about the political climate in the Earth Kingdom. She had no concern of the plight of the people. I mean, they never once showed her expressing that she needed to do something about Ba Sing Se and the people suffering. In fact, she was pretty adamant that her only goal was to get the air benders from out of the city, and that she would be on her way if she got that.
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Actually she kinda did it but it was just a throwaway line that got completely negated when she heard what the queen was doing to the Airbenders.

During that fight where the bandit leader basically said she was on the wrong side, she kinda felt like she actually was.

But how she would deal with that in a "peaceful" manner though would be a tough question to answer, especially compared to Zaheer's method which was ruthlessly efficient.
 
360pages said:
True, but the power vacuum itself was more caused do to Republic City wanting to hurry up and get back to the status Quo rather then trying to promote change. Though I guess this leads back to the major problem about legend of Korra.

Why is it that only the villains seem to care about changing the world? Outside of Season 2 and post identity Amon. It seemed that the Bad Guys are the only one giving a shit about how the world turns out.

Amon, wanted Non-benders to be equal to benders, and went to extream, but he could have had a point. (Too bad the writers didn't give a damn and made him just a bad guy)

Zaheer, noticed the corruption of hierarchy and wanted to change it. (He was crazy as hell and was wrong) But at the same time, the Earth queen was obviously evil and everyone was like.

Man whatever.

Even when Satan! was threatening the world. The President couldn't even spare a single ship out of his thousand to help Korra. Even when he actually somewhat believed her.
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Because the villains with the exception of Unalaaq aren't part of the 1% Amon had a douche bag dad that tortured him and his brother training them to be blood benders so they can get revenge. Zaheer was crazy, but I think he wanted society to go back to a point in time where they were more close knit and helped each other more. He is probably a bit like Mad Stan, would've been nice if he just once said "blow it all up!!"
 
Gorillaz said:
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It will be the last fight of the game and it is only unlocked through DLC.
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to be honest, a platinum games title is one of the places where this wouldn't be out of place. It has to be faster though.
 
Azula said:
As far as the shipping talk and bad fan art, sorry? I'm 100% sure that everyone in this thread that do this, are just having fun and aren't being serious. There is nothing else to talk about before an episode airs, so they are just wasting time and being silly. There is no doubt serious shippers, and crazy fans on tumblr and reddit that take it seriously. I don't think anyone on here is like that (sorry if there are), but are more so just having fun and poking fun of those aspects of the fandom. I know I'm not serious at all when talking about shipping.
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You don't have to apologize. You're not doing anything wrong, really. It's just things that I personally don't like, which isn't really relevant to what should or should not be in the thread. If you guys are having fun, more power to you. Seriously, I mean that.
 
JadedWriter said:
Because the villains with the exception of Unalaaq aren't part of the 1% Amon had a douche bag dad that tortured him and his brother training them to be blood benders so they can get revenge. Zaheer was crazy, but I think he wanted society to go back to a point in time where they were more close knit and helped each other more. He is probably a bit like Mad Stan, would've been nice if he just once said "blow it all up!!"
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True, outside of Mako and Bolin, most of the characters were rather pampered and what not, which is a shame since it makes it feel the good guys side don't actually give a shit about people in shitty situations and it feels like they are fighting more to make their lives comfortable again rather then actually improving the world.

(This is more due to the writing then anything, and I actually don't blame the characters for this)
 
That's very interesting dude think it's Korra's fault for the continue spiral of the Earth Kingdom and that it falls all on her.

I honestly think this season's theme will be (should be) just how much are the nations and citizens well being should fall into Korra hands and how much should be into there own (this is where Kuvira comes in at). This should be the point in the series of Avatar in general where the population has to realize that not everything can be fixed or taken care of by Korra. Idk maybe the whole "balance" is a play on the fact that it's not just her job to fix shit but everyone else must also pitch in. The avatar shouldn't have to micro manage everything.
 
Infinite Justice said:
Actually she kinda did it but it was just a throwaway line that got completely negated when she heard what the queen was doing to the Airbenders.

During that fight where the bandit leader basically said she was on the wrong side, she kinda felt like she actually was.

But how she would deal with that in a "peaceful" manner though would be a tough question to answer, especially compared to Zaheer's method which was ruthlessly efficient.
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Guess I missed that. Oops.

Edit: ah yeah you mean after Asami and her and the bandits. Fair enough. I just never got a sense that Korra felt it was her duty to intervene in cities with political problems (as Avatar).
 
Azula said:
Guess I missed that. Oops.

Edit: ah yeah you mean after Asami and her and the bandits. Fair enough. I just never got a sense that Korra felt it was her duty to intervene in cities with political problems (as Avatar).
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I don't think it should be. Also didn't she know Zaheer was coming for her at that point? You don't fix a city overnight and she didn't really have the luxury of sticking around.
 
360pages said:
True, outside of Mako and Bolin, most of the characters were rather pampered and what not, which is a shame since it makes it feel the good guys side don't actually give a shit about people in shitty situations and it feels like they are fighting more to make their lives comfortable again rather then actually improving the world.

(This is more due to the writing then anything, and I actually don't blame the characters for this)
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I'm honestly still trying to figure out what the president in Republic City actually cares about. The guy would rather watch a mover about the Water Tribe getting ran over by Unalaaq instead of actually doing something about it. I'm pretty sure a lot of trade or at the very least seafood comes out of there. The guy didn't really get bent out of shape over anything until giant spirit vines were crashing through his office.
 
rexor0717 said:
I don't think it should be. Also didn't she know Zaheer was coming for her at that point? You don't fix a city overnight and she didn't really have the luxury of sticking around.
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Azula said:
Guess I missed that. Oops.

Edit: ah yeah you mean after Asami and her and the bandits. Fair enough. I just never got a sense that Korra felt it was her duty to intervene in cities with political problems (as Avatar).
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maybe not overtly but she did think of the people a bit, and it might have happened somewhat if the Queen actually decided to go to War or whatever.


rexor0717 said:
I don't think it should be. Also didn't she know Zaheer was coming for her at that point? You don't fix a city overnight and she didn't really have the luxury of sticking around.
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She learnt of Zaheer after that moment along with the Airbenders being imprisoned but went with freeing the Airbenders and getting the fuck out of dodge.
 
Infinite Justice said:
She learnt of Zaheer after that moment along with the Airbenders being imprisoned but went with freeing the Airbenders and getting the fuck out of dodge.
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Yeah it was after, you are right. I wonder though, did past Avatars ever intervene in political government affairs? Ozai was conquering other places thus making it a problem beyond that nation. I guess Avatar Kyoshi? If the Avatars job is to bring balance to the world, you would think this would include people being oppressed by goverments/rulers.

Although it's hard to imagine Korra as being capable of dealing with that.
 
Azula said:
Yeah it was after, you are right. I wonder though, did past Avatars ever intervene in political government affairs? Ozai was conquering other places thus making it a problem beyond that nation. I guess Avatar Kyoshi? If the Avatars job is to bring balance to the world, you would think this would include people being oppressed by goverments/rulers.

Although it's hard to imagine Korra as being capable of dealing with that.
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Aang was willing to tell all of Ba Sing se about the war if he wasn't threatened with Appa. And even then he still told the Earth King about the corruption the moment he had the chance.

Or the entire pollution episode in Season 3 even if Katara needed to convince everyone.
 
360pages said:
Aang was willing to tell all of Ba Sing se about the war if he wasn't threatened with Appa. And even then he still told the Earth King about the corruption the moment he had the chance.

Or the entire pollution episode in Season 3 even if Katara needed to convince everyone.
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Yeah that is true too. Good points. I guess I'm just not sold on it being a personal conviction of Korra. But I can agree Avatars should step in.

Htown said:
You don't have to apologize. You're not doing anything wrong, really. It's just things that I personally don't like, which isn't really relevant to what should or should not be in the thread. If you guys are having fun, more power to you. Seriously, I mean that.
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Oops, I'm not emotionally stable right now with all the meds I'm on. So I probably read too much into your posts. My apologies. I guess hanging on by a thread can do that to you.
 
360pages said:
Aang was willing to tell all of Ba Sing se about the war if he wasn't threatened with Appa. And even then he still told the Earth King about the corruption the moment he had the chance.

Or the entire pollution episode in Season 3 even if Katara needed to convince everyone.
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Plus I do believe Roku got heavily involved in I think it was Sozin's affairs when he realized how much of a threat he was going to become.
 
Azula said:
Yeah it was after, you are right. I wonder though, did past Avatars ever intervene in political government affairs? Ozai was conquering other places thus making it a problem beyond that nation. I guess Avatar Kyoshi? If the Avatars job is to bring balance to the world, you would think this would include people being oppressed by goverments/rulers.

Although it's hard to imagine Korra as being capable of dealing with that.
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IIRC they were supposed to be mediators and the nations did their thing but i think a few would intervene if they deem it necessary (Kyoshi and that Airbender Lady who was supposedly godlike and brought a lot of years of peace)


JadedWriter said:
I'm pretty sure Kyoshi did enough shit to enough politicians to give Kuruk the luxury of acting like a drunk Russell Crowe:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpokjMDGM60
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Actually it was the Airbender Lady, Kyoshi came after him.
 
Infinite Justice said:
IIRC they were supposed to be mediators and the nations did their thing but i think a few would intervene if they deem it necessary (Kiyoshi and that Airbender Lady who was supposedly godlike and brought a lot of years of peace)




Actually it was the Airbender Lady, Kyoshi came after him.
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Oh it was Yangchen then. Didn't realize that one thanks.
 
Htown said:
I don't like weird fan art, I don't like weird shipping talk, and I don't like when people blame characters for shit they didn't do, just because they were in the general vicinity. Korra didn't screw up and lose connection to her past lives, she had the avatar spirit literally ripped from her body and attacked. .
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Weeeeellll, if she wasn't so hardheaded and trusting of someone with obvious ulterior motives over her father and mentor who love her, and would have just tried more with talking with her past lives to begin with...

But I suppose you could do this for any character. Like Aang who shouldn't have left Guru Pathik before his training ended or pissed off a powerful Knowledge spirit who might give his next incarnation trouble and y'know, cause said incarnation to practically hand over immense power to the villain. Or Like Roku who should have stopped Sozin when he had the chance. Or Kyoshi who shouldn't have given such an obviously incompetent King control of a powerful Earthbending task force. Or Kuruk who shouldn't have pissed off Koh, or Yangchen who shouldn't made a deal with a vengeful spirit, or Wan who should have minded his own business.

People make mistakes, and that is compelling cause we can see them rise again from it. I mean hell Zuko is the poster boy of mistakes with this franchise. I guess it's harder to look past when you can see them making mistake after mistake over a season of a show and said season is also kind of poorly written.
 
Infinite Justice said:
I still wonder what she really did because he got away with murder basically dude to all that free time lol
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Probably stuff that would've made the franchise TV MA. Probably just floated into a room Magneto style and oxygen bent everybody in there except one guy. Told that guy to tell his friends that if they stepped out of line they'd end up like that.
 
360pages said:
True, but the power vacuum itself was more caused do to Republic City wanting to hurry up and get back to the status Quo rather then trying to promote change. Though I guess this leads back to the major problem about legend of Korra.

Why is it that only the villains seem to care about changing the world? Outside of Season 2 and post identity Amon. It seemed that the Bad Guys are the only one giving a shit about how the world turns out.

Amon, wanted Non-benders to be equal to benders, and went to extream, but he could have had a point. (Too bad the writers didn't give a damn and made him just a bad guy)

Zaheer, noticed the corruption of hierarchy and wanted to change it. (He was crazy as hell and was wrong) But at the same time, the Earth queen was obviously evil and everyone was like.

Man whatever.

Even when Satan! was threatening the world. The President couldn't even spare a single ship out of his thousand to help Korra. Even when he actually somewhat believed her.
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Because they are evil, they are the bad guys that Korra wants to kick their ass, there is little time for negotiation, the only one who had a point, according to Korra was, for some reason, Unalaq.
 
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