NoblesseOblige
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Cheated on her boyfriend, according to the ex-boyfriend. I've seen my share of guys that falsely assumed they were in an exclusive monogamous relationship before.
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#GAMERGATE: The Threadening [Read the OP] -- #StopGamerGate2014
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Cheated on her boyfriend, according to the ex-boyfriend. I've seen my share of guys that falsely assumed they were in an exclusive monogamous relationship before.
QuantumZebra
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Classic reactionary Fox News style questioning.
" I'm not saying Zoe Quinn is Hitler, but if she was, wouldn't she support this anti-gamer hatred? "
News at 11
BlastProcessing
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But we have no proof of infidelity. We have a salacious, one-sided story. We know that the person who wrote this story actively fanned the flames of the harassment campaign leveraged against her. Not exactly a trustworthy source.
Anybody who is basing an opinion on somebody based on "something I saw on the internet" should probably take a step back and re-evaluate.
plagiarize
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That's really between them. At least, it should have been left that way.
This is amazing. Thanks for posting it.
I keep reading the comments to these things even though I know they will be a cesspool of apologist bullshit. I don't know why I do it. Maybe it's some strange compulsion, some incessant hope that maybe, just maybe, I will actually see something for once that doesn't make me just want to smash my head against a window.
Nope. Not this time.
Madness. Utter madness.
Riposte
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You first sentence implies this is a good thing, but what you describe sounds pretty terrible. In any case, the initial and then reactive hostility causing the polarization of topics such as those Sarkeesian speaks on (ones pertaining to actual games) is one the things I think I will lament most in the long term. As for her messaging, I don't now if it's that flawed within her trope videos, poor methodology in terms of examples aside (which goes to show that many people have a low tolerance). However, her older content and feelings she expressed subtly or elsewhere (most recently criticizing game journos for not detailing Bayonetta 2's sexism in their reviews in way she agrees with, then linking that sentiment with her next trope video) does make me a little uncomfortable with the prospect she only becomes more representative of a side in an increasingly polarized culture. This alone would be enough to make me dislike GamerGate, and then there's everything else (I agree with the notion they are actually anti-ethical journalism, something they will gladly sacrifice in order to sustain the movement. GamerGate cares only about the survival of GamerGate).
NoblesseOblige
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Yeah. I just wanted to reiterate that anyone that holds it against her is doing so on the word of an angry ex. Just shows how easily they can be manipulated by a few words.
I used to feel a little sorry for the guy. I know emotional abuse is terrible, and can do pretty horrible things to your mental state. It can lead you to do things that turn into bigger messes that you later regret. And if you find your support in online communities, by all means talk about your experience online.
But there's a difference between airing your feelings, and writing a 10k word manifesto complete with private chatlogs and posting it to every space you can to "get word out." Especially when your words are incendiary to one person in particular, identifying them outright and pointing a big fat finger at them.
And then after the fire is blazing, claims that if given the option, he would do it all over again.
He's since lost all sympathy I could possibly muster.
But there's a difference between airing your feelings, and writing a 10k word manifesto complete with private chatlogs and posting it to every space you can to "get word out." Especially when your words are incendiary to one person in particular, identifying them outright and pointing a big fat finger at them.
And then after the fire is blazing, claims that if given the option, he would do it all over again.
He's since lost all sympathy I could possibly muster.
Yes, it's going to be quite awkward for the major gaming sites if her next video tears into B2 for being "sexist" when (as far as I've read) there's only one of them who took off a significant number of points because of it.
Lalalandia
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Honestly this where I'm at, he knew damn well what he was starting and got involved to make sure it did so frankly he can feck off. This is the revenge porn ex on a grand scale.
Sho_Nuff82
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Way LTTP, but thanks to CNN's piece I finally got around to reading the infamous blog post about Zoe Quinn.
I can't believe that spawned all of this. Zoe Quinn may be a lot of things, but she doesn't strike me as a conspiracy mastermind. It's a huge stretch that her personal situation got tied into gaming and/or Sarkeesian's efforts.
I can't believe that spawned all of this. Zoe Quinn may be a lot of things, but she doesn't strike me as a conspiracy mastermind. It's a huge stretch that her personal situation got tied into gaming and/or Sarkeesian's efforts.
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
People are weird about infidelity. Especially when it's a girl---
The whole Zoe issues reminds me of that one anime voice-actress who slept with members of her band. I remember a dude on here bringing it up in a thread as something "horrible" she did, and how it ruined his image of one of the "pure" anime girls she played. Just seemed really stupid.
The whole Zoe issues reminds me of that one anime voice-actress who slept with members of her band. I remember a dude on here bringing it up in a thread as something "horrible" she did, and how it ruined his image of one of the "pure" anime girls she played. Just seemed really stupid.
plagiarize
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Totally. He started a bonfire and claimed that all he did was light a match. Sure, he didn't build the big huge pile of gasoline soaked wood, but he knew exactly what he was doing when he held a match to it.
It's easy to understand why someone angry and hurt might want to do such a thing, but it doesn't exonerate you of responsibility.
aspiegamer
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Wow, that's a doozy of an article
What the fuck is the "the movement on the ground", exactly? What's being accomplished that's for the "best" of anything?
Good to know he thought a massive internet shitstorm that threatened to destroy the core of the entire gaming industry was a possibility but that he didn't think it likely enough to warrant concern. Jackass.
Also seems he lost his job recently because he was too busy warring across the internet talking points. Oh noes! Only very rarely do I say I legitimately hate someone, but he qualifies.
I got shat on for making this point almost exactly a few pages back by a tea partier. i was sort of surprised one even posts on GAF given our reputation.
Lalalandia
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Actually I'm hoping for some proper responses to what she says, either for or against. My own feelings towards Bayonetta are pretty ambivalent, I haven't played the games so I'm only going on the gifs and videos I've seen which all seem very 'male gaze'-y. I have however heard some interesting defences of the character and how the game expresses her sexuality in a positive way rather than as fodder for titillation.
This is art criticism, a back and forth that reveals more about a piece of art which is why this whole GG thing is maddening to me. I love art criticism because it makes me appreciate the things I like better, take 18th century political prints from England. At first glance they're a wordy mess of grotesques but if you read what the symbolism means you start to understand that in a single image there is a whole essay on political corruption and influence (oh and frequently damning women for having a sex life, plus ca change, etc).
robovanburen
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I really hope Eron's future girlfriends don't Google him.
I bet the dude would check a potential girlfriend's phone on the first date.
Actually I'd hope for their sake that they do.
BrassDragon
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So does therapy.
chrominance
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Why would you not want them to know what kind of things this guy has done to other exes?
NoblesseOblige
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I really hope he gets the psychological help he's clearly in need of so that any future girlfriend isn't in danger of this or worse.
robovanburen
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Well, I meant for his sake. I agree that dating someone who gives the Wikileaks treatment to his failed relationships is a bad idea, though. What a nutbar.
wow at those dislikes. How can you object to what is being said? How can you make that leap of logic and disprove of the claims being made, telling you to be a human being?
Look at the like/dislike ratio for Anita Sarkeesian's speech where she talked about online harassment and the tactics harassers use to make up lies about her and discredit her:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ah8mhDW6Shs
aspiegamer
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Funny. That's exactly what my therapist said this morning when I saw her and tried to explain the inexplicable idea of people trying to sabotage their own hobbies with terrorism and death threats in the name of petty revenge against a former lover. We can only pray that all his future acquaintances Google him.
Neoriceisgood
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#ethics
The sad thing is, so long as feminist critiques get this huge backlash from screaming manchildren, there won't be much room for nuanced debate. I've heard Anita criticized frequently for the fact that she doesn't "listen" to dissenters, that she ignores honest feedback and won't allow comments on her videos. I'm sure she'd be happy to listen and discuss with reasonable people and points if she weren't such a huge sore spot for so many people. Any open forum she could create would be flooded with hatred and bile, with no room for reason. Prominent voices that support her won't openly criticize her, even if they disagree with some points, because they're too busy showing solidarity while fighting for the right for her message to exist. Others are too afraid to make alternative opinion videos (not talking about the "Sarkeesian debunked!" shit) because they've seen how huge of a target for harassment she is.
We need to create an environment where differing opinions are allowed (and actually discussed, not just posted in drive-by comments) before video game critique can reach higher levels. And GamerGate is hindering the creation of that space by making people fear for their safety by speaking out, and creating a loud, noisy "war" that pits "us" against "them."
NoblesseOblige
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Unfortunately he's less likely to seek help now that he feels validated by others. So yeah, at this point I'd hope future potential partners do a little research.
The proper description for gamer reactions to a woman saying stuff is probably what would be classified as pathological.
Like faceless007 wrote earlier:
Lalalandia
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I agree with you GG is holding back 'Games as Art' it all reminds me of what some art critics thought of Impressionism when it first started.
Henry Lavard said:
Palette Swap
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They're telling people to write their local MPs to complain about CBC's "dishonest journalism".
LOL. These guys think an argument based around video games is worthy of the federal government intervening and disciplining the CBC.
"Gamers" think they're way more important than they are.
Morrigan Stark
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Hah, that's gold. What a bunch of delusional buffoons. Way to give more fuel to the out-of-touch-with-reality basement dwelling nerd stereotype, assholes.
Lalalandia
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Given how effective write in campaigns to the BBC from fringe groups have been in the past at influencing them, I just hope the politicians with a hand in CBC have more spine.
As many of the very vocal supporters of #GG have proven time and time again, they have zero interest in much else outside of video games. they're like the only things some of these people have any passion for.
Exactly my sentiments. There are deep, underlying problems within the industry that are being overshadowed under all of this, and it's unfortunate that as any sort of mature debate is being overshadowed by this controversy. An open and mature discourse about the problems within the industry can be had in time, separately from #GG, but right now, it has hijacked those prospects, as it polarizes people to choose sides, and that is not what many people, including myself, want. I couldn't care less about #GG, but I do care about the industry that we all share and love, and unfortunately, there are problems present that need to be addressed. These problems vary from sexism, misogyny to corruption, blackmail from the corporations and questionable ethical values within the journalistic community, and those are exactly the problems that need to be scrutinized and discussed if we ever want to evolve as an industry.
Yup. They're going to attract the kind of attention they don't want at this point. No one outside of Sun News, and their 5000 viewers, is going to side with them on this.
The conservative party couldn't care less about this matter, and the CBC is more worried about staying alive than kowtowing to some fringe group's delusional definition of "fair and balanced".
I just watched this for the first time. It made me feel genuinely sad.
fabricated backlash
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It might already exist or initiated, but shouldn't the reaction of people who want to expose #gamergate as the fringe radical group they ultimately are, not be one of action? It is more than obvious that these people are more than willing to do a lot of work to make their standpoint heard, so bitching about them on Twitter or GAF isn't going to help much.
I remember when Iwata was in Hospital, GAF organised a get well card, and while symbolic in nature, it actually became a representation of the good nature of GAF posters, who way too often come across as cynical and bitter to outsiders.
I think it is high time that we as a Forum should initiate something similar. A show of hands, to get the message out that "Gamers" aren't what this fringe group is making us look like.
I think we should reclaim the term "Gamer" as a positive instead of allowing #gamergate to paint all of us in a negative light.
I remember when Iwata was in Hospital, GAF organised a get well card, and while symbolic in nature, it actually became a representation of the good nature of GAF posters, who way too often come across as cynical and bitter to outsiders.
I think it is high time that we as a Forum should initiate something similar. A show of hands, to get the message out that "Gamers" aren't what this fringe group is making us look like.
I think we should reclaim the term "Gamer" as a positive instead of allowing #gamergate to paint all of us in a negative light.
The proliferation of "professional" YouTube critics and reviewers is because no one will hire them to play games.
holy shit at the names of the related videos to that XOXO video:
"Feminism Vs Facts!"
"Sarkeesian- BUSTED!"
"Reason vs. Feminist Frequency"
"Anita Sarkeesian Is Not A Real Gamer"
"REFUTING Sarkeesian's Damsel's In Distress pt. 2"
"The Sarkeesian Conspiracy"
And the preview images is stuff like Anita with a Butt crack instead of a face, a seriously creepy-looking version of Kane from C&C, and garish colors reminiscent of trash tabloids.
"Feminism Vs Facts!"
"Sarkeesian- BUSTED!"
"Reason vs. Feminist Frequency"
"Anita Sarkeesian Is Not A Real Gamer"
"REFUTING Sarkeesian's Damsel's In Distress pt. 2"
"The Sarkeesian Conspiracy"
And the preview images is stuff like Anita with a Butt crack instead of a face, a seriously creepy-looking version of Kane from C&C, and garish colors reminiscent of trash tabloids.
This is a positive sentiment but hard to achieve as raw emotion always takes over any topic within the gaming community, you cant have a discussion about balance patches in fighting games without a total flame fest and trolling. When social issues become part of the equation then it is total chaos and siege mentality takes over. A bunch of people arguing with academic lingo is like trying to put out a fire via gas canister. I do respect people for going against the current.
But I don't fucking wanna be called a "gamer". I just play video games, they're not my identity.
"Anita Sarkeesian Is a Secret Muslim"
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