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As I said, I've mostly forgotten what my actual suggestions were, so I made that one up.Gender Relations? You mean like, Human Resources? Because I've never heard of a corporation having...Gender relations.
As I said, I've mostly forgotten what my actual suggestions were, so I made that one up.Gender Relations? You mean like, Human Resources? Because I've never heard of a corporation having...Gender relations.
Thankfully the nyt explained that it represents the biggest game companiesNo, a company that the vast majority of gamers don't even know exists is not enough.
Quoting this for the new page. Well said.It's getting very tiring seeing this deflection used to absolve GG of any responsibility. We can determine to what extent GG is culpable in the ongoing tide of harassment and death threats by examining the way they react to reports of them. Do they, by and large, 1) immediately and in no uncertain terms denounce the threats and express sympathy for the people targeted by them and make efforts to condemn and ostracize the members of their own movement who use them, or in any way express some awareness that the movement they claim is about ethics and transparency has obviously escalated to something toxic and physically hostile to what it perceives as its enemies, or 2) immediately and without any evidence assume that every report of death threats is really a false flag planted by the targets in order to raise their own profile and make GG look bad, encourage further harassment of the targets by demanding they present proof of being harassed and threatened, tell the targets to shut up and stop making noise and simultaneously accuse the target of refusing to engage in debate if the target does not want to discuss their harassment publicly, and generally display a staggering lack of empathy toward women placed in a frightening and potentially unsafe situation?
In short, if the movement does not want to be seen as tacitly condoning and accepting of vicious and sociopathic behavior, they should stop tacitly condoning and accepting vicious and sociopathic behavior.
Lime, you seem to be overlooking the idea of people taking actions, anti-social actions, which are deliberately contrary to the positive social signals. Just to be clear, you're in a thread about threats and harassment. This isn't about more generalized cultural sexism.
This is false. I'm pro gamer gate, and do not like Anita and I still condone those threats and find anybody who did them stupid and immature. Gamergate is a wide group with many valid issues. Just because some extremists exist, it does not remove the group ideas. It's like saying that since Gamer gate activists got Doxxed (including Jontron and Alex Baldwin) with a threat that if people didnt stop being opposed to Zoe they would get doxxed as well, that this remove any validity to the anti Gamer gate people. Extremists do not define a movement.
This is basically my opinion too. Death threats are an Internet wide problem that happen to everyone, I think all of one direction get death threats every day. I pretty much get told to kill myself weekly too.
I know video game fans are classically seen as more immature, but it seems unfair to pin it on one medium of entertainment and then drag sexism into it.
Why would game companies say something? They're not really a part of the whole gamer gate thing.
It's not about feminism. It's about maladjusted people thinking it's good to send death and rape threats to women employed in the industry, their SOs, and their children because they don't like these women's opinions.
The two aren't separable.Lime, you seem to be overlooking the idea of people taking actions, anti-social actions, which are deliberately contrary to the positive social signals. Just to be clear, you're in a thread about threats and harassment. This isn't about more generalized cultural sexism.
Dude, I doubt that maladjusted (the type that has the brilliant idea of send a shooting threat after the worst school shottings in years) people are going to stop because their favorite video game company told them 'don't do this shitty thing".
What could games companies have to say? It's naught to do with them, or games. "People shouldn't do death threats" is what.
Are there too many death threats in games?
The "bad guys" are the people who are threatening other people with violence or worse because they're afraid to share their hobby.
The end.
Extremists created this movement
Dude, I doubt that maladjusted (the type that has the brilliant idea of send a shooting threat after the worst school shottings in years) people are going to stop because their favorite video game company told them 'don't do this shitty thing".
This is false. I'm pro gamer gate, and do not like Anita and I still condone those threats and find anybody who did them stupid and immature. Gamergate is a wide group with many valid issues. Just because some extremists exist, it does not remove the group ideas. It's like saying that since Gamer gate activists got Doxxed (including Jontron and Alex Baldwin) with a threat that if people didnt stop being opposed to Zoe they would get doxxed as well, that this remove any validity to the anti Gamer gate people. Extremists do not define a movement.
I really hope you dont believe people wanting more transparency between Media and Creators are extremists.
Of course. But you're overlooking my mention of the moderates and the uninvited. It has an effect on them if power holders denounce this. This should be pretty clear.
And some might argue that the threats and harassment are derived from a generalized cultural sexism. In this particular case, if it wasn't for the former, the latter wouldn't exist.
When you are sending death and rape threats, it's well beyond "trolling." Reducing it to mere "internet trolling" is incredibly disrespectful.
Your boy Baldwin is a documented, tin-foil hat racist and misogynist
Seriously, why do some people in this thread care what game companies do when it comes to this Gamergate issue? Why is it so important for some people in this thread to state that game companies should not speak up about something that is seen again and again in the culture which they operate in, profit from, and wield influence and power in? Why would you care whether or not they publicly denounce this Gamergate movement?
Seriously, why do some people in this thread care what game companies do when it comes to this Gamergate issue? Why is it so important for some people in this thread to state that game companies should not speak up about something that is seen again and again in the culture which they operate in, profit from, and wield influence and power in? Why would you care whether or not they publicly denounce this Gamergate movement?
That is a big if...
I know you do, anyone who calls themselves a part of GG at this point is either willfully being ignorant or supports the misogynism.
Your boy Baldwin is a documented, tin-foil hat racist and misogynist
And?
Seriously, why do some people in this thread care what game companies do when it comes to this Gamergate issue? Why is it so important for some people in this thread to state that game companies should not speak up about something that is seen again and again in the culture which they operate in, profit from, and wield influence and power in? Why would you care whether or not they publicly denounce this Gamergate movement?
No one here seems to particularly care (those aside that want them to speak up) most just say that they understand why they don't speak up and let the ESA handle itSeriously, why do some people in this thread care what game companies do when it comes to this Gamergate issue? Why is it so important for some people in this thread to state that game companies should not speak up about something that is seen again and again in the culture which they operate in, profit from, and wield influence and power in? Why would you care whether or not they publicly denounce this Gamergate movement?
Because it's way past time the gaming community started policing itself. We've let this shit fester for too long, and it's on us to kill it and salt the earth.
I really hope you dont believe people wanting more transparency between Media and Creators are extremists.
This is false. I'm pro gamer gate, and do not like Anita and I still condone those threats and find anybody who did them stupid and immature. Gamergate is a wide group with many valid issues. Just because some extremists exist, it does not remove the group ideas. It's like saying that since Gamer gate activists got Doxxed (including Jontron and Alex Baldwin) with a threat that if people didnt stop being opposed to Zoe they would get doxxed as well, that this remove any validity to the anti Gamer gate people. Extremists do not define a movement.
I really hope you dont believe people wanting more transparency between Media and Creators are extremists.
Jack Thompsons and the community manager from call of duty also receive rape and death threats without sexism working against them.You really think these women and declared feminists would still receive this harassment and terrorism if there wasn't any generalized cultural sexism?
Because it has nothing to do with them.
Because it's way past time the gaming community started policing itself. We've let this shit fester for too long, and it's on us to kill it and salt the earth.
I lol'd. This is about fucked up misogynist malcontents spreading their garbage.
This is not a gender issue in my book. It's about journalists and creators not disclosing links and agreements. Nothing to do with women or men issues.
Why should game companies step forward and say something? This has nothing to do with them. What a click-bait thread title.
I really hope you dont believe people wanting more transparency between Media and Creators are extremists.
This is not a gender issue in my book. It's about journalists and creators not disclosing links and agreements. Nothing to do with women or men issues.
My boy? He coined the term Gamer Gate, that does not mean that he's the leader or that is personal views make the movement invalid.
I really hope you dont believe people wanting more transparency between Media and Creators are extremists.
Personally I think its shocking that EA, Activision and TakeTwo declined to make any comment against these death threats. Letting the ESA handle it is not enough.
You really think these women and declared feminists would still receive this harassment and terrorism if there wasn't any generalized cultural sexism?