Yup, it completely a spiteful thing for the community tab to serve it's purpose. All of those OTs have been sitting in the wrong section forever, time for clean up.
|OT| topics will now go live on game launch date
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Yup, it completely a spiteful thing for the community tab to serve it's purpose. All of those OTs have been sitting in the wrong section forever, time for clean up.
CambriaRising
Member
There is new content constantly coming for those though, is it not the same reason Smash had so many OTs at that point?
I cant speak for a lot of the other threads, but the giantbomb thread is where all the quicklooks and other content gets posted, is it not better to have those in that thread, than to have a new thread for each of those pieces of content? Wouldn't that be more clutter?
Unless we can't post new threads for new giantbomb content if the thread gets moved to GC, in which case I have to ask, why?
Monsterhunter's post just seemed like a "Well, but these!" kind of post to me. That's all.
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
The issue with all long running threads is that as time passes, only the people with vested interest in the topic tend to continue posting in it, and they probably have a subscription to the thread to keep track of it. For everybody else that thread just takes up a slot on Page 1 that could be a news thread instead, so it gets shuffled off to Community.Don't get me wrong, right now, I agree with you completely. I think maybe there needs to be some encouragement to us users to check out both forums more often. And maybe moving more of these ever-present megathreads over there is the way to do it.
(or maybe the mods/admins completely hate this idea and I should just shut up)
The long-time posters still have a sub to the thread so there is never a need for them to browse the subforum index, while the lay person never needs to keep abreast of megathreads they aren't interested in so they don't look at the index either.
I can't speak for the SBF thread, but the GB thread is almost always on-topic and has a lot of people dropping in and out of the thread depending on the discussion.
I think moving it to community would actually change the thread into the kind of cliquey and insular collection of superfans(or as you put it -- "glorified chatrooms") that community threads usually are.
I totally understand why the mods are considering it, though, since GB is kind of consistently polluting the front page and all that. But it's because GB is so popular on this site, not because we're talking about which giant bomb guy would make the best dad or what we ate for dinner.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
works for me considering how my schedule has been this past half year my OTs have been pretty much been going up on launch anyways.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
having read through a bit more id say 24hrs before launch would be fair too. since for folks who get a title early can leave impressions.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
serious question and know this has been mentioned multiple times here, but at the same time of not having an OT out slightly early to direct traffic to so to speak you the mods will be running around constanly putting out fires when every tom dick and harry go making posts on said game before release.
giancarlo123x
Banned
I think they should go up 24 hours before hand to generate some hype and find info for the game for those that don't know much. But that's just my opinion.
This should probably be in the OP.
shinobi602
Member
I meant to move the Giantbomb thread to community side, not get rid of it completely.
JetBlackPanda
Member
Yeah, oh well.
It would be cool if the title of the sections was news and discussions
In regards to the community and regular split, I think it just needs to be made clear what goes where and what the criteria is. Right now, I can see why there would be debate as to where Giant Bomb, Bosman and all those topics should sit, yet I can't understand why the monthly COMICS! OT is in Off Topic when the other monthly OT threads with an OP full of news are in Community. As long as everything's consistent, there should be no issue with anything.
I agree with this, it's handy having trailers etc in the first post of an OT as I often use the OT to check out a game weeks after release, not everyone buys everything on day one. The collation of information on page one makes it just as useful as the impressions, although I like the idea of the OT maker having the responsibility of adding a link to where impressions start.
I'm enormously grateful to the community members that make the OTs, and am aware they are often quite a bit of work- I like the idea of allowing them to be made but kept locked until release, that way the info in them is still accessible. I also think the idea of allowing them to be posted up to 24 hours before the first release date would effectively formalise the rather informal concession that 'before bed the night before is OK too'. Not everyone has access to a computer 24/7.
The only issue I have with OTs at the moment is where they are utterly indistinguishable from PR materials, so a general philosophy of making them more useful for gamers in the days/weeks/months after release, rather than blatant stealth hype/promotional tools in the days prior to it, is fine by me.
I like a combination of suggestions here:
OTs should go up 24-48 hours before release - Games get shipped early, people get them early, and can give early impressions and heads ups (updates, install sizes, etc.) without contributing to Gaming bloat and making PSA threads about trivial information that doesn't deserve an entire thread, and a chance for people to ask questions. This is also a slight compromise for "hype" posts which no matter what will find a home in an unrelated or old news thread otherwise.
General Pre-Release Discussion threads - Or pre-OTs or whatever you call them. This helps centralize things so you don't get a million "what class will you play" or "are you excited for x major release?" discussion like we just got for Destiny and will get for other high profile releases. Helps contain the hype train if you will, and doesn't help incite meaningless HYPE vs. dis gaem is gun suck flame wars that usually erupt from some of those "are you excited?" threads which are pretty toxic to discussion. Also cuts down on Gaming bloat.
I'm actually surprised that the Giant Bomb threads and similar ones aren't in Community already. I can understand stuff like the I Need a PC thread staying in Gaming though, would defeat the purpose in Community. I'm also pro-review threads that discuss the text but not the scores, I don't see any downside to limiting that, would cut out a ton of bullshit in review discussions and get straight to the meat.
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A question for the mods: What is the current stance on recurring threads like the Steam and Fighting Game Weekly threads that are focused around and depend on things that are happening in that particular timeframe? I ask this because of the mention of handling "chatroom" threads, but I'm not sure if they completely qualify.
OTs should go up 24-48 hours before release - Games get shipped early, people get them early, and can give early impressions and heads ups (updates, install sizes, etc.) without contributing to Gaming bloat and making PSA threads about trivial information that doesn't deserve an entire thread, and a chance for people to ask questions. This is also a slight compromise for "hype" posts which no matter what will find a home in an unrelated or old news thread otherwise.
General Pre-Release Discussion threads - Or pre-OTs or whatever you call them. This helps centralize things so you don't get a million "what class will you play" or "are you excited for x major release?" discussion like we just got for Destiny and will get for other high profile releases. Helps contain the hype train if you will, and doesn't help incite meaningless HYPE vs. dis gaem is gun suck flame wars that usually erupt from some of those "are you excited?" threads which are pretty toxic to discussion. Also cuts down on Gaming bloat.
I'm actually surprised that the Giant Bomb threads and similar ones aren't in Community already. I can understand stuff like the I Need a PC thread staying in Gaming though, would defeat the purpose in Community. I'm also pro-review threads that discuss the text but not the scores, I don't see any downside to limiting that, would cut out a ton of bullshit in review discussions and get straight to the meat.
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A question for the mods: What is the current stance on recurring threads like the Steam and Fighting Game Weekly threads that are focused around and depend on things that are happening in that particular timeframe? I ask this because of the mention of handling "chatroom" threads, but I'm not sure if they completely qualify.
Thank goodness. There are bad ideas, then there some that are downright ridiculous.
I'm all for this. People can continue be hyped in the most recent relevant threads for that particular game while the actual OT itself then becomes a place to celebrate a game's launch. The only foreseeable issue that might arise is when people take too long to create their OTs; every now and then you see them get slightly delayed. I suppose with this move the burden is greater on those people to put them up on time.
Well most regulars to those threads, access them through subscription anyway.
I have a question. what will happen when people get a game earlier than others ?
every now and then some of us get an access to a game early for whatever x reason.
where these people will discuss their opinion about the game ?
can we have something like 1 thread of game impressions or something? I mean its nice to get small reviews from gaffers about the game we are interested in.
every now and then some of us get an access to a game early for whatever x reason.
where these people will discuss their opinion about the game ?
can we have something like 1 thread of game impressions or something? I mean its nice to get small reviews from gaffers about the game we are interested in.
In regards to threads like Giant Bomb, Final Bosman, Super Best Friends etc. I feel like they should be treated like an OT-lite. Give them a couple of weeks in Gaming side to give them exposure to those outside of the topic regulars then put them in community since usually by then a community has been established for that topic and it de-clutters Gaming a bit.
It's going to be chaos on worldwide releases. Us in the UK typically get our mail orders 1-2 days before official release.
flyinpiranha
Member
This is actually how I browse GAF more often now. Once I found out I could 'cull' my 'subscriptions' by choosing "Delete" at the bottom it's made it amazing. It's my own personal frontpage of GAF. I do look at the main page often but I've started to see a lot less that interests me jump on the front page so subs is where it's at!
I wish the Community sections weren't the unwanted stepchild of sections, it really is useful and it's sad that they become echo chambers for most but honestly, I've never had a question go unanswered and those communities threads are usually a lot more welcoming to people than a general OT thread on the main gaming side where you have constant fly-by insults and such.
I think a lot of people are confusing quantity with quality. Yes, it's great to get hyped on something but a vast majority of some of them are just stomping grounds for console warriors to flex their tiny pale muscles in front of a large crowd.
GAF has some of the best moderation on the internet in regards to its extremely combative base. No other hobby I have where I visit forums is this combative towards each other (even NBA reddits and such). So, I usually give their ideas the benefit of the doubt. They've kept a pretty tight and clean ship so far and sometimes I wish they were even more strict.
I agree. Less ancient clutter on the gaming forum. More activity on the Community forum.
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
They should be. They're all pretty closed up threads talking about a long term subject that kind of clutter up the front page. Community is where they belong.
derExperte
Member
What about the PSN, XBL and Nintendo Downloads threads? I could understand if topics focused on gaming websites get moved but those for major digital platforms?
Well they were moved away from major consoles and combined into there. I always thought putting them into community was the end goal after that, especially with the actual chatter that goes on in them.
EDIT: Thinking about it, that was odd anyway. It was explained in the Vita thread that they were going to go PSN/XBox/Nintendo/Steam to standardise the discussion with Steam taking the role of PC, then GOG and Origin threads showed up anyway.
Yeah I never seen that thread until now. Should be a sticky for future references.
i know. I got my drive club 1 week in advance.
Oh...Neogaf mobile version for some reason makes me blind to those kind of topics.
(not the version fault, just my mistake lol)
Riposte
Member
Is it the purpose of community tab to shrink communities into irrelevancy and kill the flow of new posters? That's what it looks like and how I've seen its purpose described by mods in context of gaming OTs (instead promoting smaller scattered threads). I understand the aversion to that fate, especially for things that don't get "LTTP" threads.
EDIT: My fantasy solution is to have subscribed community threads just appear in the main forum.
ScriptedReality
Member
Wouldn't the day or two before make more sense than the day of? It'll be a dead thread except for the people at work anxious to play.
I am also of the opinion that OTs should go up 24 hours before. Day of is a bit strict. When would the thread get posted? Midnight of the Australian release, or wherever gets it first? It seems like it would be nice to have a short buffer and ease up the timing of the release just a bit.
Some communities take up space off the front page. If Destiny were to stay in the main gaming section, it would be permanently be on the front page. Too many permanent threads on the front page make it hard for new threads to get any exposure.
Some communities take up space off the front page. If Destiny were to stay in the main gaming section, it would be permanently be on the front page. Too many permanent threads on the front page make it hard for new threads to get any exposure.
Effigenius
Member
I like the pre-OT thread idea. That can still go up a week early, with the first post likely serving as the same first post of the OT. On launch day the OT goes up, the pOT closes.
I do really like the idea of the OT going up on launch day.
I do really like the idea of the OT going up on launch day.
I think a "pre OT" going up the week before just to be locked/ forgotten after 6 or 7 days would just be silly. At the point you'd be better off just having it OT go up early as it had been.
Just have the OT go up 48 hours before. Enough time to discuss launch information, streams, early copies, etc.
Just have the OT go up 48 hours before. Enough time to discuss launch information, streams, early copies, etc.
Yuck, I hope it isn't going to be standard as Metacritic is a horrible system :/
Don't like the change. I liked the week ahead creation because I could see a future release date on games I am not actively tracking or have pre-ordered, so that I can plan days in advance to pick it up. It's easy to know if the OP has this information simply by looking at the |OT| tag in the thread titile. Now will we have a separate tag for official "pre-release" discussion? Or a place for people to start providing impressions from early arrival deliveries a few days in advance?
Hours Left
Member
I understand the change, but I'd also say that I think a 24-48 hour window would be better. Things like reviews and previews tend to start in the days leading up to release, and I think having separate topics for these is more of a hassle. (I know some popular games have separate review threads, but not all games warrant this.) Plus, a lot of the fun of new releases is the hype, and not having an OT up a bit earlier will mean that it'll spill over into other topics. Also, OTs for smaller/niche games help them get more exposure, and the bit of time before release is good for compiling info that would be lost otherwise.
Is this same rule in affect for Off-Topic as well? As in, if I make an OT for a TV show, for example?
Is this same rule in affect for Off-Topic as well? As in, if I make an OT for a TV show, for example?
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
Posted earlier in the thread:
Perhaps the OP can be updated to explicitly reflect this as I'm seen the question pop up on the OT/Community side here and there.
Wouldn't the OT be a bit of a mess if it's done on release day, considering people will probably look elsewhere for information? It will be kind of pointless.
Not forgetting people playing the game as well.
This right here.
Not forgetting people playing the game as well.
This right here.
TheyTookOurJobs
Member
This is a solid idea. I approve.
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