Supreme Court allows voter ID law in Texas (CNN)
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Angelus Errare
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Gotta curb that voter fraud man.
It should be emphasized that the Supreme Court did not rule on the constitutionality of the law. This all started when a federal judge ordered Texas to use the voting process prior to the implementation of the new voting rules for the upcoming election. Texas appealed to the Fifth circuit which interpreted guidelines about changing voting laws near elections set by the Supreme Court and disagreed with the federal judge. SCOTUS decided to not vacate the ruling of the appeals court that said the it was too close to an election to change law already in practice.
JJDinomite
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This is racist... smh Texas
Can someone please explain to me, (as an outsider), why these laws are so bad? I don't really comprehend how showing ID before you vote can someone disproportionately affect minorities unless those minorities just don't possess any form of valid ID? I'm not trying to be coy, I'm coming from a place of ignorance.
Same here Im not sure what the problem is. People get ID'ed just getting a pack of cigarettes dont they?
SteveWinwood
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it can take time and money
something poor people dont usually have in abundance
if the government gave everyone a free id delivered to your door few people would have a problem with it
the people who want to pass these laws however are not for that
and the thing theyre supposedly "fixing", voter fraud, is at such a small level its laughable that they even use it as an excuse
cigarettes arent a fundamental right
If they can't afford to drive a car, why would they have a driver's license? Getting a state ID can be really hard, too, if you're working two jobs.
People are people. They can't be "illegal."
timetokill
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Isn't "illegals" shorthand for "illegal immigrants" ?
I think its important to mention that IDs aren't obligatory in the US either.
That detail gets lost to people from outside US a lot when discussing this subject.
Yes they can if they aren't a citizen, what are you talking about?
this. Voting is the ultimate form of our freedom in this country. Should not be restricted with id "laws".
The laws as written are explicitly designed to prevent people who would traditionally vote democrat from doing so. They disproportionately target minority and poor voters by placing an excessive burden on them, both from a monetary and time perspective. ID acquisition is not free and in some states some forms of easily acquired ID are specifically excluded, such as student IDs.
It is disgustingly anti democratic. Republicans who support this garbage are hypocrites and they are enemies of a fair democratic process.
It is disgustingly anti democratic. Republicans who support this garbage are hypocrites and they are enemies of a fair democratic process.
16 dollars in Texas for an ID, you also need proof of citizenship and Texas residency.
It's such an excessive burden.
SliceSabre
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White man gotta keep'em down.
Pretty much.
Looks like 16 dollars in Texas. 6 if you're disgustingly old:
http://www.dmv.org/tx-texas/id-cards.php
There is no mandatory ID in America. The closest thing is a driver's license.
It's difficult for poor people to get ID. They have to travel to a place to get it, or take time off work, both of which are difficult for poor people. Also you have to pay for it.
Is a poor person going to go to the trouble of doing all that just so he can vote? A few might, but for the majority of them it's probably not worth it.
Delta Assault
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Speak of the devil...
How does it work in the absence of these laws? Is it like Australia where there's an electoral roll and you walk in and get your named ticked off....if you're voting from outside your region you also have to fill a statutory declaration that you haven't voted in this election already.
SteveWinwood
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yeah you usually register to vote, there is a list of names at the place, and you sign and they cross it off
depending on the state you can even register the day of and just walk over to vote
Again I dont know much about this subject but how would the polling station know youre 18 without ID? do people bring their birth certificates along? does the state send pre-made ballots to peoples houses?
I renewed my license about 4 months ago, and I think it was $26.
Keep in mind that the places that perform this service are open only during normal business hours when the working poor will have to take time off work (and lose money) to visit them. They can also have wait times of several hours. They are typically not open on weekends.
None of this may sound like an insurmountable ordeal, but this is a hurdle put on some people to vote. Voting is something that needs to be made easier, not harder. These laws are a political issue because the people that these laws affect typically vote Democrat, so Republicans support them.
Vicetrailia
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So if voter fraud is non-existent, and its 'fix' erects some kind of barrier to voting, what's the point?
I honestly don't get it, because overtime things are always supposed to get easier and more efficient. I even hear that some state want to limit early voting, WHY?
I honestly don't get it, because overtime things are always supposed to get easier and more efficient. I even hear that some state want to limit early voting, WHY?
I don't know what it's like in Texas but here you just go to your designated polling place, give them your name and address for verification. And that's it.
Keep in mind, there are basically ZERO documented cases of voting fraud in America at the polling place. It's not a problem at all. This whole thing is 100% about disenfranchising democratic voters, nothing else.
Limiting voting in any fashion is a Republican tactic. The less people that can vote, the greater chances they have to win. More flexible voting times gives poor people a better chance to vote.
http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/09/04/early-voting-in-ohio-despite-republican-objections/
Dehumanizing shorthand.
Both voter ID laws and limiting early voting are to prevent Democrat-leaning voters from voting.
The Faceless Master
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there are also disproportionately less places to get those IDs in democratic voting areas and they are usually also understaffed, which means that there is also a time burden on people who can't afford the time off.
timetokill
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What's the PC term for people in the country illegally, then?
I'm glad through all your ignorance you still recognize it as a burden.
Because they specifically target one kind of voter: older, poorer people who tend to vote Democratic.
Many older people simply don't have birth certificates and other documentation needed to meet these new regulations. Say your grandma lives in Dallas, been voting all her life. Now she's gotta drive across the state to West Bumblefuck, Texas where she was born 80 years ago to find a microfiche with her name on it in the local records office. And that records office is only open on the first Monday of each month.
It's 100% bullshit (we don't have a voter fraud issue here) and people should be fighting mad about it. Instead, glee from one side and passivity from the other. And the Courts have been absolutely disgraceful.
ramuh
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I think voting early should be allowed. That would give the most eligible citizens the right to vote.
I also agree with Voter ID Laws. I don't know how this state has it set up, but for criticisms of voter id laws to be diminished there needs to be a way for any citizen to receive a state ID (free) when they prove residency and legal status in the US.
I also agree with Voter ID Laws. I don't know how this state has it set up, but for criticisms of voter id laws to be diminished there needs to be a way for any citizen to receive a state ID (free) when they prove residency and legal status in the US.
Undocumented immigrants.
timetokill
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Oh, okay, cool. Thanks for the heads-up.
You're overthinking it. The entire POINT of these laws is to keep some members of the opposition party from voting. The End.
Vicetrailia
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Life in these United States. We shouldn't even have to deal with stuff like this and yet we do.
the point is literally to prevent certain groups of otherwise eligible voters from voting. it just so happens that the groups inconvenienced by these laws tend to vote Democrat
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
isn't it "dreamers"?
and, i can't believe this is happening. is this still to be decided on or are they basically just saying ID laws are now legal across the US?
GrandHarrier
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As someone who once lost both his Social Security Card, ID card and didn't have his birth certificate, the number of hoops I had to jump through to replace everything was pretty crazy. One form of ID often requires another one or two to get which means I spent hours of headaches finding alternate forms of proof just to get the first piece of ID I needed to start the process.
Now imagine you discover that you don't have your ID shortly before the election. You didn't even think about it because you're too busy working and taking care of your family. So you may have to wait a number of weeks to have the replacement documents sent to you. Or maybe you just need to go to the Department of Motor Vehicles, since you have them. Because they're only open during hours normal people work you have to take a day off, so add a days wages to the cost of the ID. Most DMVs also have insane wait times because they are understaffed. Assuming you manage to go through all of this you're often given a temporary ID while the real one is mailed to you and in many cases, despite being perfectly legal temporary replacements, places won't accept these temporary IDs in situations where ID is required.
Kite
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http://www.gotidtexas.org/
I never understood why voter id laws are racist and I'm usually with the Democrats and progressives..
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
sorry, that doesn't look like a real driver's license to me. unfortunately you will need to bring your birth certificate and social security card to vote, now. also the polls close in an hour.
Angelus Errare
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"In order to get an ID...just bring your ID!"
An estimated 25% of African-Americans have no government-issued ID.
The least likely to have an ID are the elderly, minorities, the poor and young adults aged 18 to 24.
Can this be quoted a million times. An ID does not make your IDENTITY.
Its literally the opposite of that. Why is this hard...
Accusations of racism aside, it's symptomatic of a way of thinking that presumes guilt and fosters suspicion. Furthermore, if the state was interested in maximum voter participation, there are far more reliable ways to do it than routing it through (a defunded) DMV system like Wisconsin, or denying college-issued identification like Texas.
It's crazy that they do that now. My first time voting was inside my dorm at the University of Texas. I was an Illinois resident.
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