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Supreme Court allows voter ID law in Texas (CNN)
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Even if you have an ID, these laws may make it invalid if it doesn't have your current address. I lived in 5 different states and became eligible to vote in all of them (you just need to live there 30 days), but I never got a different ID except my home state ID because it is already valid for driving, buying alcohol, flying on a plane, etc.
Voter ID laws usually require an ID that shows your eligible to vote in that specific voting district's poll location. Even if you move within a city a lot (like many lower income individuals, you'd need to get a new card with every move).
it's basically just the new version of the poll tax, really
Man I reached for a box of tissues after this sob story.
What does your contempt for your fellow citizens have to do with their right to vote? Are you that obtuse?
Why do you hate the elderly, minorities, the poor and young adults aged 18 to 24
milquetoast
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aren't you supposed to update your info even without voter ID laws? you shouldn't be able to vote in a district you don't reside in.
According to Justice Ginsberg:
You can update your info without getting a new driver's license. To register to vote you just need name and address and oftentimes either your SSN or state ID number.
Spare us your platatudes.
The one carrying a cross about getting a new drivers license should probably read the laws of his home state for once and realize that he can request a state ID from the Ohio DMV without needing to prove he can drive if he just wants to vote.
Every state offers one, so the canard about poor people can't get a legal photo ID because they don't know how to pass a driving test is false.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Ah yes, spending 22 dollars and 6 hours of your time, plus gas when living paycheck to paycheck is so easy, just so we can avoid voter fraud which does not exist.
They are obviously not trying hard enough to vote.
You do realize that voting is supposed to be a right, not a privilege?
You're not supposed to put hurdles in front of people and say "well if you REALLY cared about voting, you'd hop over all of these!"
You already have to register to vote, this ID nonsense is a transparent ploy to disenfranchise certain groups of voters.
You're not supposed to do that.
Even if they don't vote the way you do.
That would be like having another child even though it's not financially feasible.
Many of these people have been voting all of their lives, 80+ years. These new laws are designed to make it more difficult for them.
Which is exactly why I'm not.
You have to or you can't vote.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Yeah, I guess he won't be voting. Oh well, good thing it's a right and not a privilege...
oh wait
Liberty4all
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Without ID how does the state know if an individual has the right to vote?
Serious question, Canadian here, we have to show proof of where we live. I think a bill is usually adequate as long as it has our address.
Serious question, Canadian here, we have to show proof of where we live. I think a bill is usually adequate as long as it has our address.
Look at Wisconsin. After passing mandatory ID, Scott Walker then closed numerous DMVs, which of course makes it harder to obtain one.
When more people vote, a Democratic President is far more likely, so this is one of the Republican's methods to keep voter turnout low. Gerrymandering ensures that during House elections, despite getting far fewer votes, they get more seats in Congress. Now with mandatory ID, it will help them in other types of elections.
When more people vote, a Democratic President is far more likely, so this is one of the Republican's methods to keep voter turnout low. Gerrymandering ensures that during House elections, despite getting far fewer votes, they get more seats in Congress. Now with mandatory ID, it will help them in other types of elections.
lol, he's too dense to even realize this reference is about him.
Suikoguy
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Most US states issue voter registration cards in most cases.
Typically you either need that or an ID to vote.
The state is allowed to, and do constitutionally, impose reasonable voting requirements. A requirement for official ID isn't intrinsically beyond the pale.
The only issue at hand is that they are crafted in an environment wherin certain subsets of minorities are assumed to be impacted by the restrictions.
davepoobond
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Yeah, voting should be hard, and you have to really want to vote to be able to vote. That way we know they deserve that constitutional right
People don't want to get a state ID if there is no need to use it in their daily lives, like getting a driver's license. It's not fun or convenient to go to the DMV. I lived in 5 states over the course of 5 years, why should I spend the money to get a state ID on every move? And if you read the quote, the poster said even after going to the DMV, his documents weren't valid for getting an ID. I certainly didn't bring my birth certificate everywhere I moved.
Are there any statistics that indicate how many people this is 'preventing' from voting?
I'm ignorant on the situation in general but the US is sounding like a developing nation if the amount of people that can't get ID lest it cripple their entire family is large enough to make requiring ID to vote a big issue.
Like I'm sure it's an issue for some people but the argument that people will starve for a week if they have to get some sort of ID sound a little extreme.
I'm ignorant on the situation in general but the US is sounding like a developing nation if the amount of people that can't get ID lest it cripple their entire family is large enough to make requiring ID to vote a big issue.
Like I'm sure it's an issue for some people but the argument that people will starve for a week if they have to get some sort of ID sound a little extreme.
How can undocumented people vote under the current system?
Also, you honestly think that someone without papers will risk getting caught and deported just so they can cast a single vote?
That's ridiculous, probably part of the reason why there isn't any evidence that voter fraud is a problem in the US.
Let's stop playing games, these measures are passed because Republicans think it will help them win elections, sometime their dummer members even straight out say that. You can argue whether or not it will have that effect or to what degree, but pretending that this is about anything but voter suppression is a joke.
People also don't want to pay taxes, especially if a portion will go to fund something they don't support or will utilize. Just because someone won't specifically maximize the possibilities of use isn't an argument. Secondly, the Ohio DMV lists online what are acceptable documents. They probably even have a help line. Again, that poster should have spent five minutes to check before wasting both his and the DMV's time.
Going to the DMV isn't fun? So what? If you want to live as an outlier to the majority of the population you acknowledge that there will be extra hurdles in life. For a while I had to count days I spent in certain states or I would have had to pay taxes as a resident of both. If you don't want to vote, don't spend the money or alternatively, some states offer to lower or waive the fees entirely if you are destitute.
Remind me, how often does that happen?
I could register and vote in all 5 states without getting a state ID. I don't see why I should get one. In 1 of the states I lived in a rural area where you needed to drive half an hour just to get to a WalMart or 45 minutes to a mall, and I didn't have a car.
I wanted to vote, and I could vote without going to the DMV. So please explain the reason for these extra hurdles that I've never had to face before. Now, I live overseas and can vote by mail. Are they going to come over and check my ID to see I am who I say I am?
Your comments about taxes have nothing to do with any of this. I am supposed to automatically have a right to vote if I meet citizenship requirements, you're supposed to have an automatic obligation to pay taxes if you meet residency requirements. Why not require people to register at the local IRS office in order for them to be able to pay taxes?
Voter ID laws are the most idiotic set of laws created.
I honestly don't even comprehend how someone illegal could even register to vote. You would think that would be covered in the registration form.
I don't understand why this is a thing. Important or regulated activities require you to prove you are who you say you are. I need ID to buy a gun but that's a basic right in the constitution. I need ID to drive. I need ID to buy booze or tobacco. I live in Colorado so I need ID to buy marijuana. Why is requiring ID to vote suddenly an issue? If it's really prohibitive for some people to get ID, then give it to them for free, I don't care.
Basically even without these laws you had to have been legally registered to vote previously, you have to show up to the appropriate voting location based on your address (there could be dozens in your city), and state your name (which will be verified as being registered to vote in that specific location).
These laws serve no legitimate purpose.
Serious question. Should the homeless be allowed to vote? Protip: Without an address they can't get a state ID.
Why is voting any different than any other activity that requires ID? I mean, the politicians pushing this are clearly doing it over votes for their personal gain, but that's true of any political issue. The homeless are excluded from numerous activities if they don't have ID.
Lev
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We should be trying to make voting easier not hard. Republicans are just being deceitful and lazy. Instead of trying to change their policies and positions on issues, in order to appeal to demographics that they have difficulty getting votes from, they'd rather use soft tactics to deny voting rights over an non-issue. Don't you love US politics?
Gherid__lacksGPS
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Voting is the right of CITIZENS who are in some fashion participating in the counties social-econimic landscape. Its not unreasonable to expect proof of said citizenship in at least some form. That concept is sound. The process to obtain said identification is not entirely unreasonable, either. As some seem to be sensationalizing. Though I do agree it should be free, just as a social security card. Its just woefully unfortunate the catalyst is brought forth with such undermining and manipulative intentions.
A driver's license is not a proof of citizenship, neither is a concealed gun license. Both of these are acceptable voter ID in Texas. Voter ID laws generally are not asking for proof of citizenship.
You could produce an ID card from a federally recognized Indian tribe or a ID card issued by the U. S. Department of Veterans’ Affairs, both of which are proof of citizenship, and it would not be accepted in Texas for voter ID.
You know you still have to register to vote right? VOTER IDs serve no purpose. It's a solution to a non-existant problem. Its only purpose is to disenfranchise people. It does more harm than good.
You beat me to it.
To further explain for those who wonder what the problem is with these id laws.
Some states used to have a poll tax you would have to pay to vote, mostly southern states. Eventually the Supreme Court ruled them unconstitutional saying everyone had the right to vote without having to pay. Since you have to pay to get an ID most people see this as a way to circumvent the abolishment of the poll tax.
If states made IDs available for free then I wouldn't have a problem with the ID law, but that's the whole point of why Republicans try to push these laws through.
Wow. Is this trolling, because such attitude is horrible. There are people just working to feed their family, imagine people having to take a leave for their job to get some public transport to some faraway overcrowded agency to get an ID.
...are you really using a paean to "how it was in your day" as the basis of your rebuttal? Secondly, the living in a rural area leaves you at a disadvantage for many issues. That and not having a car were the result of circumstances at least partially due to your own actions. There is a point when the state has to wash its hands of responsibility for the ins and outs of each citizen.
Okay...you really are going down that route. The state often passes new laws that restrict or add additional regulations where there were none. The fact that they do this is not intrinsically a valid reason to complain. They are also not limited to being reactive, they can generally pass proactive restrictions if they feel they are warranted.
There are additional restrictions & requirements for absentee voters that have been in place for decades. Most of which are more onerous than the Voting ID requirement. And yes, they can be made more restrictive. If you spent a few minutes researching it, you would also know that there is no guarantee that your overseas vote will even be counted.
And finally, the tax issue was to illustrate the point right above it. And while this is wildly off topic, the IRS actually does need to tighten up restrictions, especially in the digital age.
Well, since I'm not falling over myself trying to demonize the idea of Voter ID's and how they are desecrating the very fabric that holds America together, clearly I don't think the homeless are even human; let alone eligible to vote. Protip: The previous statement was sarcastic. Protip 2: I too can read a state's online DMV page.
Do I really need to explain obvious solutions to the non-issues? Or will it suffice to reiterate that the issue with the Texas specific law is the details relating to how the laws were crafted?
You realize as long as I know the name of the registered voter (which by the way is publicly accessible, you can even find voting participation history) I can pretend to be them and they have absolutely no way of checking right? I can even do it multiple times, most polling places are open for a ten to twelve hour period.
*Just for Seth C:
Serious question.
A few states do or at least offer a reduced fee for low income people.
Texas - $16 (+$1 processing fee)
California - Reduced Fee
New York - Reduced Fee or Free (Otherwise $10.00 - Card is valid for 4 years)
South Carolina - Free
Wisconsin - Free
Arkansas - $5
Tennessee - $10.00 (Card is valid for ten years)
This is just a sample of liberal states and the deep south.
Please don't be condescending. I am talking about the registration requirements right now in those states. You don't need to resort to a straw man attack on a claim of "back in my day."
As a citizen, why can I not complain about new laws being enacted? Do you accept any laws that are enacted? That is a strange argument if I ever heard of one.
There are fewer restrictions under the FVAP than under these voter ID requirements. In fact, I filled out my FVAP application today and registered for an absentee ballot, I will receive my ballot to vote by e-mail. When I vote, I won't need to show Voter ID. My state has over 20% of voters voting by absentee ballot, so its likely that it will count my vote; in fact, it is state law to count every vote, regardless of closeness of outcome. So please do not be condescending about me not doing the research.
Why does having to show an ID to be allowed to vote open the state up to accusations of racism?
In Germany you'll need to identify yourself with a "amtlicher Lichtbildausweis" (closest translattion would probably be "state issued Photo ID"), no other documents accepted. Makes sense for an official vote, doesn't it?
In Germany you'll need to identify yourself with a "amtlicher Lichtbildausweis" (closest translattion would probably be "state issued Photo ID"), no other documents accepted. Makes sense for an official vote, doesn't it?
GrandHarrier
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It's not meant to be a sob story but a reality that many working lower income people can encounter. I grew up to a single working mother (after and my father divorced), who didn't get any child support from the deadbeat and struggled to raise us ourselves often working overtime or a second job. The idea of taking any time off was an alien concept to her. She simply couldn't afford it. So the cost of an ID would have been the time lost + gravel fees + ID card. And this sort of story isn't an outlier but one many families face, especially now when the income disparity is at an all time high.
There is no national ID in the United States. Criticism of racism is valid, the law is designed specifically target that exact group of people, or at least most people that fall into those demographics.
GrandHarrier
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In many states in the US (and in my state of Oregon in specific) you can register to vote without an ID so long as you possess a Social Security Number, something that is issued to you at birth / gaining citizenship. So requiring an ID after the fact makes no sense. You've already proven your right to vote, the ID requirement is an unnecessary step for a problem that doesn't exist.
Bjomesphat
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Wow GAF will jump on any bandwagon and go to great lengths with their excuses. Can't afford an ID? No time to get an ID? Come on, it's in everyone's best interest to have one. It's far more important than just to vote. You get it once and you're good for a long time.
davepoobond
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Bandwagon for civil rights? That's not a bandwagon.
Research poll taxes. Getting an ID is essentially the same thing.
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