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Legend of Korra Book 4: Balance |OT| A Feast of Crows

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Gotchaye, you mention the divine right a lot in your posts, but I'm not sure if you disagree with how the show portrays it or are just making the observation?

Looking for a fight Veelk?

Veelk: "You got a problem with that? punk?"

Gotchaye:"No no, merely an observation.."

In all seriousness, neither ATLA nor LoK really demonstrate they are interested in discussing that particular aspect of governance , at least not before Book 3 and 4 of Korra, which is trying to bring out a point about it (how monarchies are outdated).

It's not important in ATLA though. It's mostly a feudal society set in an old period that the audience understands is still dependent on kings, chiefs and lords, although the shows does indeed go out of its way to point out that its better to let the rightful heirs rule than to try any shenanigans.

And it's pretty obvious that's where Book 4 of LoK is going. Wu will be placed on the throne under a reformed Earth Kingdom, with Suyin as Prime Minister or something. Balance. Boom. Oh, and Korra now knows that it's not ok to punch all the time, big lesson learned.

On the metalbending thing, I wan't to make a comment: ATLA kind-of illogically diminished metalbending from the start by making it simply the bending of earth within refined metals... makes no sense, as most "earth" is also metal like iron, copper, gold, aluminium (or aluminum, if you wish), etc.. In fact, there's no "earth", just a bunch of minerals. If minerals are what earthbenders are bending, then ok, they can't bend the metallic elements by themselves. Do they purposefully make metals not as refined, just so that they can bend it? But as Veelk said, it shouldn't be possible to bend most copper wiring either... whatever.
 
And it's pretty obvious that's where Book 4 of LoK is going. Wu will be placed on the throne under a reformed Earth Kingdom, with Suyin as Prime Minister or something. Balance. Boom. Oh, and Korra now knows that it's not ok to punch all the time, big lesson learned.
But there's nothing keeping Suyin from acting as either a Prime Minister or adviser role for Kuvira...well there is, but at the beginning I think it could've been done had Su had any kind of thought outside of "oppress the will of these two." She never actually thought for a moment that this is going to wind up hindering Zaofu and just pretty much banished one of her closest friends and her son because they had a disagreement. I probably keep going back to this but I do find Suyin to be an idiot for with no kind of political acumen.
 
Pretty much everybody, tbh. Seeing some characters would be more satisfying than others, but I dislike just about everyone to some extent. Maybe not felicity, but her "oh I'm so awkward" shtick got old LONG ago. Other than her, the only ones I don't want to die just haven't had enough onscreen time to annoy me enough. Usually 2 or 3 episodes is enough.

Yeah, that sounds like Arrow.
 
[The sieged Republic City, where sentient spirit powered hate machines attack it's defenses relentless. Council HQ]

Mako: Sir, she spirit projected herself here.
President Raiko: What is this mad fool planning now?
Korra: [appears in spirit form] Hello, hello, Republic City Council. This is the Avatar speaking.
Aang: [appears as well] Also the Avatar. Can you hear me?
Roku: [aslo appears] Also the Avatar, standing ready.
President Raiko: Dear god, three of them. All my worst nightmares at once.
Korra: President, we have a plan. Using our avatar states we will send Republic City to the spirit world and destroy the Killviras with the nuclear bomb Asami developed.
President Raiko: Even if that would possible, which it isn't, why would you do such a thing?
Korra: Because the alternative is burning
Aang: and I've seen that
Korra: and I never want to see it again.
President Raiko: We would be lost in another dimension. The power you need to transport this city there and back would take dozens and dozens of avatar states.
Korra: Oh, dozens and dozens. A hundred.
Aang: But don't worry.

[countless spirit portals open around Republic City]

Wan: Calling the war council of Republic City, this is the Avatar.
Unnamed fire Avatar: Damnit, Iago.
Yangchen: Ready for peace.

Korra: You might say I am putting all my lives on the line.

Kuruk: This time I'll do it right!
Kyoshi: I got this.

President Raiko: I didn't know I was well off. All one hundred.
Mako: No, Sir. All one hundred and one.

[close shot of the pregnant Zhu Li and a fully devloped baby on the inside with glowing eyes]

Mako: Sir! The Killviras know that something is happening. They're increasing their firepower!
President Raiko: Do it, Avatar. Just do it. Do. It.
Korra: Ok. Ladies and gentleman, we're ready. WHOOHOO!
Aang: Penguinride!
Roku: For Raava's sake. Republic City stands.
 
What do you think Kuvira will do with the Dai-Li?

I would LOVE for her to actually disband them and have an epic fight between her and all the Dai-Li agents as they are part of an old rule who no longer serve the Modern Earth Kingdom.
 
What do you think Kuvira will do with the Dai-Li?

I would LOVE for her to actually disband them and have an epic fight between her and all the Dai-Li agents as they are part of an old rule who no longer serve the Modern Earth Kingdom.

Dude the Dai-Li are running her reform camps, I'm telling you!
 
I may reread the naruto manga, since it's ending, just for the sake of closure. Naruto was one of the first stories I got into heavily, my introduction to manga and anime, one of the first stories that made me critically examine narrative. I made a lot of friends based on our mutual like of naruto at the time.

It's such an utter shame that it got as bad as it did. I still believe that in terms of raw potential, naruto could have very well ended up a better manga than one piece is right now. I had read it weekly for over a decade before finally not being able to deal with its bullshit anymore. It really saddens me how the author, at some point, just... Gave up.
 
Hey KorraGAF, long time no speak. I'm back from my self-imposed ban. :D

Sorry about the whole Book 3 OT thing; I wasn't expecting it to be out until later this year and planned to return from my exile for a November release. Yeah, I guess I was playing with fire and it backfired, but you seemed to get one together so that's fine. I certainly wasn't expecting us to be on the Book 4 OT by now...

Anyway, Book 3 was pretty good, huh?
 
Hey KorraGAF, long time no speak. I'm back from my self-imposed ban. :D

Sorry about the whole Book 3 OT thing; I wasn't expecting it to be out until later this year and planned to return from my exile for a November release. Yeah, I guess I was playing with fire and it backfired, but you seemed to get one together so that's fine. I certainly wasn't expecting us to be on the Book 4 OT by now...

Anyway, Book 3 was pretty good, huh?

Yeah, Book 3 was a major step up from Book 2. And possibly better than 1? Book 4 I'm still iffy on. So far I've liked every episode, but it also feels really slow. And I'm cautious about where they go with it.

Anything like this would be pretty surprising to me. Avatar has mostly stuck to the standard fairy tale convention of all and only legitimate kings being good kings. This is a way of dealing with the divine right problem I've brought up before.

In ATLA, Bumi is presumptively legitimate (although it's actually pretty unclear how he got the position) and seems to always know best. The chief of the Northern Water Tribe likewise seems to be a generally trusted and competent leader. Ba Sing Se at first seems to cut the other way, but then we find out that the king doesn't actually have much power and a lot of the bad stuff is due to the usurper Long Feng.

So Kuvira as more of a Long Feng seems to me to be much more consistent with how the shows have handled royal lineage. Also if Kuvira had a claim wouldn't she have said something by now, like maybe when she was announcing that she was taking over?

Well, they have been trying to rip off Game of Thrones lately. Satch is low key one half of Bryke, the title of the thread is a hint at the upcoming spoiler (Kuvira is royal blood).

I assumed Wherearemahdragonz was in charge of the bets and I suppose Azula can take over them again if he wants to.
I can take over of them if neither of them wants to though.

I'll just take them over. WhereAreMahDragonz deserves a break.
 
Oh shit, omikaru is back. All we need is wiseblade to slide back through and Satch to stop pretending she doesn't know us and the gang will be all here.
 
Latest bets. No one new has lost yet....

Although things aren't looking good for the "Korra will best toph in a fight" bet. I just can't see that happening at this point, now that their training has ended. But I'm not sure I can call that bet when the season is not over yet. Same with Tenzin being an over-bearing ass (so far he hasn't).

Inactive Book Four Bets:

Toph Will Show Up On Screen At Least Once During Book 4

Will Happen:

Winner: TacticalFox88 - will allow someone to pick his avatar change or something *shrugs*

Won't Happen:

Loser: Trey - Will change avatar for 2 months.
Loser: Tuck - avatar if wrong.

Active Book Four Bets:

Mako x Korra = endgame.

Will Happen:

Satch - if it doesn't happen, she will change her avatar to Mako (has to keep avatar change for an entire year)
Hamlet - will change avatar to Mako

Won't Happen:

Azula - I'll change my avatar to something hideous (some shitty waifu/deviant art pic or something)
Deimos - will let the thread choose his avatar change.
Icyflamez96 - will change avatar to Ratchet and Clank sucks for 1 month and 2 days.
Tuck - Avatar change if wrong.
Brawndo Addict - Will change avatar for an entire year.
Trey - Will change avatar for 6 months.
TacticalFox88 - will allow someone to pick his avatar change or something *shrugs*
Mariolee - will change avatar to Chris Pratt with Opals hair if shes evil.
Spork4000 - will change avatar for 6 months. WhereAreMahDragonz gets to choose the avatar.

Opal is Evil

Will Happen:

Chariot - allow Admiral Woofington to pick his avatar change.
Loctope - will change Avatar to Suyin for 2 months.

Won't Happen:

Mariolee - will change avatar to Chris Pratt with Opals hair if shes evil.
Atraveller - will allow Chariot to pick the avatar change.
Deimos - will let the thread choose his avatar change.
Tuck - Avatar change if wrong.
TacticalFox88 - will allow someone to pick his avatar change or something *shrugs*
Hamlet - will let Chariot pick his avatar change for 3 months.

The Series finale WON'T have a Deus Ex Machina

Will Happen:

Veelk - Will wear a Korra avatar for a month.
Tuck - Avatar change if wrong.
Mariolee - will change avatar to Chris Pratt with Opals hair if shes evil.

Won't Happen:

Deimos - will let the thread choose his avatar change.

The End of the Avatar (achieving peace, no need for the Avatar cycle by the end of the series):

Will Happen:

WhereAreMahDragonz - avatar change (has to keep avatar for 2 months).

Won't Happen:

Plywood - will change avatar to hideous/mixed faces avatar (or possibly pregnant meme).

Korra losing her Abilities Permanently/ Korra Dies/ Korra Loses her Avatar Status

Will Happen:

WhereAreMahDragonz - Avatar change (has to keep avatar for 2 months).
DreamDrop - not a bet, just wants to be in this group that thinks this will happen.

Won't Happen:

Trey - Will change Avatar for 2 months.
Tuck - avatar change.
Plywood - will change avatar to hideous/mixed faces avatar (or possibly pregnant meme).

Zaheer will Have At Least One Spoken Line

Will Happen:

Trey - Will change avatar for 2 months.

Won't Happen:

Tuck - avatar change.

Tenzin Continues to be an Overbearing Ass:

Will Happen:

TacticalFox88 - will allow someone to pick his avatar change or something *shrugs*

Bolin still doesn't Get His Dick Wet

Will Happen:

TacticalFox88 - will allow someone to pick his avatar change or something *shrugs*

Korra Will Re-establish A Connection with Her Pastlives

Will Happen:

m_shortpants - Will change avatar for a month.
LupusWarrior - housemate Strobli can pick avatar change for a month.

Toph Will Lose A Fight Against Kuvira

Will Happen:

hohoXD123 - will change avatar for a month.

Korra Will Best Toph In A Fight

Will Happen:

Pegosaurus - thread gets to decide Avatar change for a month.

Kuvira will be the FINAL Antagonist

Will Happen:

Toak TAK - will change avatar for a month.
 
Legend of Korra Book 4 is coming to TV but on Nicktoons and on a Friday at 9PM.
Well at least its something.

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Really, Nick? Really?

this network is so weird
 
Korra was never the real avatar
Or Book 4 Korra is actually someone else, "I get that a lot". That foreshadowing...!

Opal is evil?
I think deep down, we all know it's this.

Kuvira is defeated in the next episode maybe?
Good. Can't wait for Wu to take the throne and see some #dames

Kuvira was good all along and Opal finally ends up in prison ?

FTFY.
 
Yeah, Book 3 was a major step up from Book 2. And possibly better than 1? Book 4 I'm still iffy on. So far I've liked every episode, but it also feels really slow. And I'm cautious about where they go with it.

That's how I feel pretty much verbatim. I think Book 3 is the strongest season of Korra, and I think is up there with ATLA, quite frankly, though for different reasons.

Long post incoming. I promised thoughts on Book 3, and here they are! :D

I felt Book 3's cast of villains were rock solid. I also like how the season had recognisable themes that were returned to continually (for example, individualism vs collectivism), which is something both Book 1 and Book 2 struggled with. The Red Lotus are basically extreme libertarian terrorists, which is an interesting kind of villain to have for a young adult show as they're not just a cardboard cutout villain like Ozai and Unalaq were (and Kuvira seems to be heading in the direction of), and not a fucking psychopathic nutter with an obsession to destroy the Avatar like Amon was.

Since I'm on the topic of villains. In regards to Zaheer's plan, I think like Amon's it was doomed to failure from the beginning. And like Amon, he's a good villain because he was a threat to Korra personally, rather than someone the Avatar has to stop from causing a lot of destruction and suffering to others (as Ozai and Unalaq were). The reason I think Zaheer's plan would've failed is because he was just creating a power vacuum that some fascist like Kuvira would fill. His idea of decentralised libertarian utopia is a fallacy as someone with a lot of power would march in with an army and just take everything over. If it wasn't Kuvira, it would've been the bloodthirsty bandits.

But what I liked about Zaheer is that you could tell he genuinely believed his worldview was a valid one and that without Korra and without established governments the world would be hunky dory, and this delusion was also what made him do some extremely fucked up shit like murder the Earth Queen and attempt to end the Avatar cycle.

Moving on from villains, I like where the world's lore has gone. Book 3 retroactively made Book 2's nonsense more palatable, especially since we've seen the return of the airbenders. That one plot device has given many of the key characters -- Tenzin, the airbender kids, and Korra herself -- some great new arcs and room for strong character development and it's thanks to the groundwork laid down in the previous season. I've definitely made my peace with Book 2. I don't think it's good, but it's watchable at least. And ultimately it gets you from A to B, and onto the great season that is Book 3.

At the moment, besides the fact that the season is chugging along at its own leisurely pace, I feel Book 4 would be better if they were showing two episodes a week. Ep 1 leads well into Ep 2, and together they feel complete. Same with Ep 3 and Ep 4. Ep 5 has also felt rather barebones, but I think I'll like it more once I've seen Ep 6 and watched them together.

That said, I have no specific complaints about Book 4, right now. I'm still waiting for it to kick into gear, and thusfar it's been pretty inoffensive, I suppose. More meandering than bad, at any rate. I hope shit kicks off on Friday because we're pretty much half-way through at this point.

On a more personal note, Azula, I've been reading this thread on and off and I did catch some of your posts. I was sad I couldn't come into the thread to send you my best wishes until now, so I'm glad you're here so I can. I hope you're well, dude.
 
Yep. I've been following Naruto for over 8 years and I feel no need to weigh in, I'm so numb to the series right now after all the BS that has happened since
Obito
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Anyway, check this guy out. HE HAS PROVIDED US WITH SOME BOOK 4 OST SAMPLES.

Track Team and Zuckerman are number one.

YES! I need more, more!

Latest bets. No one new has lost yet....

Although things aren't looking good for the "Korra will best toph in a fight" bet. I just can't see that happening at this point, now that their training has ended. But I'm not sure I can call that bet when the season is not over yet. Same with Tenzin being an over-bearing ass (so far he hasn't).
Add me bro: Kuvira WILL be the final antagonist.

Cause for whatever reason you all don't seem to think so.
 
Mostly observing in my above post. It's a slight annoyance that the series does resort to that sort of storytelling shorthand, especially in Ozai's case, and I never really found the Dai Lee choosing Azula plausible. But I didn't say much here until one of the early episodes this season of Korra, where I suggested that the show had a "divine right problem", by which I meant it would have trouble dealing with the difference between the characters' ideas of political legitimacy and the audience's ideas. The Earth Queen was something of a problem this way, where the audience's reaction to her death was going to be a lot different than the characters' because the audience is totally on board with the whole "whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it" thing. The audience's natural reaction is to think that while maybe killing her was wrong a revolution was certainly justifiable.

It's just very hard to have good guys and bad guys, which is what the show wants to do, when we're talking about radically different cultures. George Washington owned people, and all that - if you make a movie about his life and you want him to come across as being at all sympathetic you're going to have to leave an awful lot out. You can mostly get by by just sort of blurring out the inconvenient bits, so if your good guy is a king just never show us any peasants who would rather he not be the king. Have your good king be popular to a hugely unrealistic degree. So I felt like LoK stepped in it by having people objecting to even Kuvira's own presentation of her mission early on, and it was particularly bad when Opal suggested she adopt a modern-style humanitarian mission. You have to be really confident in your writing to try that instead of just having the governor volunteer to join Kuvira after she brings supplies. This is what Holy Grail was joking about with the "well I didn't vote for you" guy. This is having Oney Judge show up in your George Washington movie.

Hm...I don't know if it applies to TLA, atleast not to a ridiculous extent. I mean, the Earth King was a good guy and a surprisingly fair judge, but even after his eyes were opened, he decided to just leave the city unattended while he went on a spiritual journey and such. I wouldn't say that makes him a good king. And Azula is not necessarily illegitimate, is she? There isn't necessarily fire nation law that the first born is the legitimate heir as far as we know. If we go by our world laws, then tradition states that Azula could never be the rightful ruler as she's a woman, and kingdoms are very much a boys club. Azula, were she not evil, would probably be a better ruler than Zuko, who is a good kid but has never indicated he knows his way around court and stuff while Azula certainly has. Overall, yeah, the 'legitimate heir' tends to be preferable to an usurper or shadow government or whatever, but if Zuko had died on his journey and Azula would have become the true heir, I don't think she'd have necessarily been good. It is subversive on smaller levels, I'd say, even if overall it works out to support your argument.

That said, I do agree with your overall point that the divine right to rule is something the creators should have been mindful of when writing, especially considering LoK is in a transitional phase between traditional monarchies and the creation of democracy in the world.

Looking for a fight Veelk?

Veelk: "You got a problem with that? punk?"

Gotchaye:"No no, merely an observation.."

Oh yeah, even mods tremble in fear at earning my ire when it comes to cartoons.

Not everything I say is a confrontation, lol
 
That's how I feel pretty much verbatim. I think Book 3 is the strongest season of Korra, and I think is up there with ATLA, quite frankly, though for different reasons.

Long post incoming. I promised thoughts on Book 3, and here they are! :D

I felt Book 3's cast of villains were rock solid. I also like how the season had recognisable themes that were returned to continually (for example, individualism vs collectivism), which is something both Book 1 and Book 2 struggled with. The Red Lotus are basically extreme libertarian terrorists, which is an interesting kind of villain to have for a young adult show as they're not just a cardboard cutout villain like Ozai and Unalaq were (and Kuvira seems to be heading in the direction of), and not a fucking psychopathic nutter with an obsession to destroy the Avatar like Amon was.

Since I'm on the topic of villains. In regards to Zaheer's plan, I think like Amon's it was doomed to failure from the beginning. And like Amon, he's a good villain because he was a threat to Korra personally, rather than someone the Avatar has to stop from causing a lot of destruction and suffering to others (as Ozai and Unalaq were). The reason I think Zaheer's plan would've failed is because he was just creating a power vacuum that some fascist like Kuvira would fill. His idea of decentralised libertarian utopia is a fallacy as someone with a lot of power would march in with an army and just take everything over. If it wasn't Kuvira, it would've been the bloodthirsty bandits.

But what I liked about Zaheer is that you could tell he genuinely believed his worldview was a valid one and that without Korra and without established governments the world would be hunky dory, and this delusion was also what made him do some extremely fucked up shit like murder the Earth Queen and attempt to end the Avatar cycle.

Moving on from villains, I like where the world's lore has gone. Book 3 retroactively made Book 2's nonsense more palatable, especially since we've seen the return of the airbenders. That one plot device has given many of the key characters -- Tenzin, the airbender kids, and Korra herself -- some great new arcs and room for strong character development and it's thanks to the groundwork laid down in the previous season. I've definitely made my peace with Book 2. I don't think it's good, but it's watchable at least. And ultimately it gets you from A to B, and onto the great season that is Book 3.

At the moment, besides the fact that the season is chugging along at its own leisurely pace, I feel Book 4 would be better if they were showing two episodes a week. Ep 1 leads well into Ep 2, and together they feel complete. Same with Ep 3 and Ep 4. Ep 5 has also felt rather barebones, but I think I'll like it more once I've seen Ep 6 and watched them together.

That said, I have no specific complaints about Book 4, right now. I'm still waiting for it to kick into gear, and thusfar it's been pretty inoffensive, I suppose. More meandering than bad, at any rate. I hope shit kicks off on Friday because we're pretty much half-way through at this point.

On a more personal note, Azula, I've been reading this thread on and off and I did catch some of your posts. I was sad I couldn't come into the thread to send you my best wishes until now, so I'm glad you're here so I can. I hope you're well, dude.

I just wanted to say, it's really good to have you back. I know we never talked much, but I really missed you and your posts. I'll read your reply later, and give you a response. I'm really interested in your take on Book 3.

I'm currently in a recording studio to work with a friend on some music. So when I get back I'll make sure to read it and also add Tak's new bet to the list.
 
At this point we're more or less out of meaningful sideplots, so unless they plan to put the focus on the adventures of Mako and the Earth King, something nuts is going to happen in the next episode.
 
WOOT! Finally caught up after dropping because of that terrible season 2! (Sans Avatar Wan)

And IMO, Suyin will die, and the city taken. Then, Kuvira will make her way to Republic City, where a huge battle will take place.

And in my perfect world, Korra dies trying to stop her, and the new Avatar (From the Earth Kingdom) has to fight Kuvira to re-take the Earth Kingdom :D
 
Hi guys. Sorry I've been away for a little while! Had a pretty busy weekend with working and a trip to NYC for the marathon.

Korra's totally going to get her ass handed to her and I don't like it.
 
Latest bets. No one new has lost yet....

Although things aren't looking good for the "Korra will best toph in a fight" bet. I just can't see that happening at this point, now that their training has ended. But I'm not sure I can call that bet when the season is not over yet. Same with Tenzin being an over-bearing ass (so far he hasn't).

how does one get in on this?
 
[The sieged Republic City, where sentient spirit powered hate machines attack it's defenses relentless. Council HQ]

Mako: Sir, she spirit projected herself here.
President Raiko: What is this mad fool planning now?
Korra: [appears in spirit form] Hello, hello, Republic City Council. This is the Avatar speaking.
Aang: [appears as well] Also the Avatar. Can you hear me?
Roku: [aslo appears] Also the Avatar, standing ready.
President Raiko: Dear god, three of them. All my worst nightmares at once.
Korra: President, we have a plan. Using our avatar states we will send Republic City to the spirit world and destroy the Killviras with the nuclear bomb Asami developed.
President Raiko: Even if that would possible, which it isn't, why would you do such a thing?
Korra: Because the alternative is burning
Aang: and I've seen that
Korra: and I never want to see it again.
President Raiko: We would be lost in another dimension. The power you need to transport this city there and back would take dozens and dozens of avatar states.
Korra: Oh, dozens and dozens. A hundred.
Aang: But don't worry.

[countless spirit portals open around Republic City]

Wan: Calling the war council of Republic City, this is the Avatar.
Unnamed fire Avatar: Damnit, Iago.
Yangchen: Ready for peace.

Korra: You might say I am putting all my lives on the line.

Kuruk: This time I'll do it right!
Kyoshi: I got this.

President Raiko: I didn't know I was well off. All one hundred.
Mako: No, Sir. All one hundred and one.

[close shot of the pregnant Zhu Li and a fully devloped baby on the inside with glowing eyes]

Mako: Sir! The Killviras know that something is happening. They're increasing their firepower!
President Raiko: Do it, Avatar. Just do it. Do. It.
Korra: Ok. Ladies and gentleman, we're ready. WHOOHOO!
Aang: Penguinride!
Roku: For Raava's sake. Republic City stands.
Awesome :D One of my favorite scenes from the 50th Anniversary Special :D
 
Hi guys. Sorry I've been away for a little while! Had a pretty busy weekend with working and a trip to NYC for the marathon.

Korra's totally going to get her ass handed to her and I don't like it.

I actually think Korra's reluctance to be decisive in regards to Kuvira will be what drags this out for another episode or two (i.e. she will stop Suyin from doing what needs to be done), at which point that spirit vine superweapon is going to throw a spanner into the works and make things more difficult for her when she finally decides that Kuvira can't be reasoned with and needs a hiding.

So I'm not so sure Korra's going to take a battering this week. She just needs to understand that there isn't a one-size-fits-all approach to these things and sometimes hulk smashing her enemies in the Avatar state is the most effective course of action.

She's showing signs that violence isn't the answer to all the problems (i.e. she wants to try reasoning with Kuvira before she gets violent), but I don't think she understands yet that every situation needs to be assessed before she acts. She tried acting violent and continually caused more problems for herself, so she sees the problem as the violent acts themselves rather than her inability to decide the best course of action given the circumstances. When she realises this, she'll be able achieve balance in her era.

Aang was much better at this, despite his spiritbending cop-out at the end. He ultimately realised at a very young age that some people only respond to a good old fashioned ass kicking. Even if the idea of being violent and killing repulsed him, by the time Book 3 was well on its way he was fully prepared to kill Ozai, and were it not for the spiritbending cop-out I reckon he would've done it. And if that had happened I doubt the outcome to the world would've be too different.

I think Korra herself needs to realise that a wholesale change of approach to all situations is going to be just as problematic for her as her previous violence first reaction to the world's nutters. Nonviolence is great, and perhaps some of the problems she's faced (such as the Equalist Revolt) could've been better resolved were she a more balanced individual, but as I said above, some people just need smacking down. Kuvira's one of them; when it boils down to it violence is the only language she speaks. Hopefully this is one of the realisations she comes to at the end of the show.
 
On my phone. But just post a subject you want to bet on. Let us know what the subject is, and what you will do if you lose. And I'll add it. Keep it to 1-2 bets though. :D

I'll update the list in like an hour when I get back.

Yo, if I win, everyone who claimed that Kuvira wasn't going to be the endgame must wear an AWESOME Kuvira avatar for a month.

If I lose... DreamDrop can chose my avatar. *shudder*

That's how confident I am.
 
[The sieged Republic City, where sentient spirit powered hate machines attack it's defenses relentless. Council HQ]

Mako: Sir, she spirit projected herself here.
President Raiko: What is this mad fool planning now?
Korra: [appears in spirit form] Hello, hello, Republic City Council. This is the Avatar speaking.
Aang: [appears as well] Also the Avatar. Can you hear me?
Roku: [aslo appears] Also the Avatar, standing ready.
President Raiko: Dear god, three of them. All my worst nightmares at once.
Korra: President, we have a plan. Using our avatar states we will send Republic City to the spirit world and destroy the Killviras with the nuclear bomb Asami developed.
President Raiko: Even if that would possible, which it isn't, why would you do such a thing?
Korra: Because the alternative is burning
Aang: and I've seen that
Korra: and I never want to see it again.
President Raiko: We would be lost in another dimension. The power you need to transport this city there and back would take dozens and dozens of avatar states.
Korra: Oh, dozens and dozens. A hundred.
Aang: But don't worry.

[countless spirit portals open around Republic City]

Wan: Calling the war council of Republic City, this is the Avatar.
Unnamed fire Avatar: Damnit, Iago.
Yangchen: Ready for peace.

Korra: You might say I am putting all my lives on the line.

Kuruk: This time I'll do it right!
Kyoshi: I got this.

President Raiko: I didn't know I was well off. All one hundred.
Mako: No, Sir. All one hundred and one.

[close shot of the pregnant Zhu Li and a fully devloped baby on the inside with glowing eyes]

Mako: Sir! The Killviras know that something is happening. They're increasing their firepower!
President Raiko: Do it, Avatar. Just do it. Do. It.
Korra: Ok. Ladies and gentleman, we're ready. WHOOHOO!
Aang: Penguinride!
Roku: For Raava's sake. Republic City stands.
This may be the single nerdiest thing I've ever seen on this entire forum.

I like it.
 
[The sieged Republic City, where sentient spirit powered hate machines attack it's defenses relentless. Council HQ]

Mako: Sir, she spirit projected herself here.
President Raiko: What is this mad fool planning now?
Korra: [appears in spirit form] Hello, hello, Republic City Council. This is the Avatar speaking.
Aang: [appears as well] Also the Avatar. Can you hear me?
Roku: [aslo appears] Also the Avatar, standing ready.
President Raiko: Dear god, three of them. All my worst nightmares at once.
Korra: President, we have a plan. Using our avatar states we will send Republic City to the spirit world and destroy the Killviras with the nuclear bomb Asami developed.
President Raiko: Even if that would possible, which it isn't, why would you do such a thing?
Korra: Because the alternative is burning
Aang: and I've seen that
Korra: and I never want to see it again.
President Raiko: We would be lost in another dimension. The power you need to transport this city there and back would take dozens and dozens of avatar states.
Korra: Oh, dozens and dozens. A hundred.
Aang: But don't worry.

[countless spirit portals open around Republic City]

Wan: Calling the war council of Republic City, this is the Avatar.
Unnamed fire Avatar: Damnit, Iago.
Yangchen: Ready for peace.

Korra: You might say I am putting all my lives on the line.

Kuruk: This time I'll do it right!
Kyoshi: I got this.

President Raiko: I didn't know I was well off. All one hundred.
Mako: No, Sir. All one hundred and one.

[close shot of the pregnant Zhu Li and a fully devloped baby on the inside with glowing eyes]

Mako: Sir! The Killviras know that something is happening. They're increasing their firepower!
President Raiko: Do it, Avatar. Just do it. Do. It.
Korra: Ok. Ladies and gentleman, we're ready. WHOOHOO!
Aang: Penguinride!
Roku: For Raava's sake. Republic City stands.

So who's directing the film version?
 
[The sieged Republic City, where sentient spirit powered hate machines attack it's defenses relentless. Council HQ]

Mako: Sir, she spirit projected herself here.
President Raiko: What is this mad fool planning now?
Korra: [appears in spirit form] Hello, hello, Republic City Council. This is the Avatar speaking.
Aang: [appears as well] Also the Avatar. Can you hear me?
Roku: [aslo appears] Also the Avatar, standing ready.
President Raiko: Dear god, three of them. All my worst nightmares at once.
Korra: President, we have a plan. Using our avatar states we will send Republic City to the spirit world and destroy the Killviras with the nuclear bomb Asami developed.
President Raiko: Even if that would possible, which it isn't, why would you do such a thing?
Korra: Because the alternative is burning
Aang: and I've seen that
Korra: and I never want to see it again.
President Raiko: We would be lost in another dimension. The power you need to transport this city there and back would take dozens and dozens of avatar states.
Korra: Oh, dozens and dozens. A hundred.
Aang: But don't worry.

[countless spirit portals open around Republic City]

Wan: Calling the war council of Republic City, this is the Avatar.
Unnamed fire Avatar: Damnit, Iago.
Yangchen: Ready for peace.

Korra: You might say I am putting all my lives on the line.

Kuruk: This time I'll do it right!
Kyoshi: I got this.

President Raiko: I didn't know I was well off. All one hundred.
Mako: No, Sir. All one hundred and one.

[close shot of the pregnant Zhu Li and a fully devloped baby on the inside with glowing eyes]

Mako: Sir! The Killviras know that something is happening. They're increasing their firepower!
President Raiko: Do it, Avatar. Just do it. Do. It.
Korra: Ok. Ladies and gentleman, we're ready. WHOOHOO!
Aang: Penguinride!
Roku: For Raava's sake. Republic City stands.

This is good, but the Jafavatar reference makes it great.

I should probably get around to watching the new series of Doctor Who.
 
These are incredible! Much better than other attempts to isolate the music. Definitely recommend all you follow him, he seems to have figured out how to separate the music and voice channel from the file and not just muddle the voice.

This is the track from when Korra bends the metal out of herself. Only the background sound is left, but no huge deal, the music is great.

I've been listening to this one on repeat while working on NaNoWriMo, damn I can't get tired of this.

Subbed, hopefully he/she does the Zaheer finale music.
 
Mostly observing in my above post. It's a slight annoyance that the series does resort to that sort of storytelling shorthand, especially in Ozai's case, and I never really found the Dai Lee choosing Azula plausible. But I didn't say much here until one of the early episodes this season of Korra, where I suggested that the show had a "divine right problem", by which I meant it would have trouble dealing with the difference between the characters' ideas of political legitimacy and the audience's ideas. The Earth Queen was something of a problem this way, where the audience's reaction to her death was going to be a lot different than the characters' because the audience is totally on board with the whole "whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it" thing. The audience's natural reaction is to think that while maybe killing her was wrong a revolution was certainly justifiable.

It's just very hard to have good guys and bad guys, which is what the show wants to do, when we're talking about radically different cultures. George Washington owned people, and all that - if you make a movie about his life and you want him to come across as being at all sympathetic you're going to have to leave an awful lot out. You can mostly get by by just sort of blurring out the inconvenient bits, so if your good guy is a king just never show us any peasants who would rather he not be the king. Have your good king be popular to a hugely unrealistic degree. So I felt like LoK stepped in it by having people objecting to even Kuvira's own presentation of her mission early on, and it was particularly bad when Opal suggested she adopt a modern-style humanitarian mission. You have to be really confident in your writing to try that instead of just having the governor volunteer to join Kuvira after she brings supplies. This is what Holy Grail was joking about with the "well I didn't vote for you" guy. This is having Oney Judge show up in your George Washington movie.

Sounds similar to the things I was saying to you a way back when Kuveira was merely sly and manipulative and not crazy evil. By bringing in modern values and systems they really leave a cognitive dissonance that they completely fail to make attempts at resolving.

I think the issue with comparisons to the modern world is the fact that Avatar picks and chooses which modern values it wants. There were no elections to choose Zuko to be fire lord and I highly doubt they choose his daughter either. The earth queen was a tyrant who Korra helped take tax money and impoverish the people. Half of season 2 Korra spends shouting that Unaloq isn't the real chief as if there is a inherent righteousness in the order of succession. Now Unaloq's kids rule the north, still without a single hint that any elections or form of democracy took place. This episode we have another unelected prince being paraded and helped to succeed the throne. If they are fine with these feudal systems then when the show looks at a completely bloodless reunification of a country and tries to tell me that the methods are wrong?

It doesn't take much look at history to see how secessions and rebellions have led to ridiculous amount of bloodshed and destruction, Even today we have Ukraine, where the internationally supported government is fighting to keep their country whole. Georgia too with the US giving it "full support" towards it's "territorial integrity". So while I agree that the layman is all for secession, political reality shows that countries that are on the "good side" regularly fight and kill to keep parts of their territory and this is not denounced.
 
On my phone. But just post a subject you want to bet on. Let us know what the subject is, and what you will do if you lose. And I'll add it. Keep it to 1-2 bets though. :D

I'll update the list in like an hour when I get back.

I also want to bet that Korra gets her connections with the past avatars back. If not, my housemate Strobli can pick my avatar for a month.
 
Just a thought: Does anybody remember the magnet armor that Varrick invented on Book 3? It just occurred to me that once Team Avatar rescues him, maybe they will use it to defeat Kuvira´s army. I doubt metal bending is stronger than a big magnet.
 
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