It was weak.
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Legend of Korra Book 4: Balance |OT| A Feast of Crows
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How was Interstellar?
Admiral Woofington
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I'm watching interstellar and big hero 6 this weekend. Wash out the taste of Avatar.
Lol Jk
Lol Jk
MikeBreezy92
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I don't see why though. Getting some metal out of her system isn't gonna fix things like that. Korra having to slowly build herself up was bound to happen and should happen. Rushing her comeback for the sake of making the pacing faster is silly. People focus way too much on the big picture and not everything else.
Atraveller
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Great sci-fi film with some flaws.
Come to the spoiler thread, I made a post explaining about some time stuff.
JadedWriter
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I actually wouldn't mind that. I actually just pay attention to things that happen around her and less Kuvira itself. She's not afraid to lead by example. She could've just thrown her whole army at her from the onset and didn't she kept her word and fought Korra herself. Unlike what Su said Kuvira actually has the respect of her men. If she didn't they wouldn't have cheered her on or help her up after her fight with Korra. Kuvira is smug as fuck, but she's on point with her observations. She actually seems to like to fight because that chick was having fun tossing Korra aroundlol such nuance. At the rate they are going, we gon find she got two split personalities.
she might even be a Bei Fong
Admiral Woofington
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Focusing on the big picture is a necessity with this show. It has like 6-7 more episodes as a show total. It can't afford to not have a decently fast paced if it wants to end this in a proper manner.
It really bothers me that there's just no passion when it comes to Korra's fighting style.
A protagonist has gotta to have a little something that sets them apart from the rest characters, you know? Even if they're matched up against a stronger opponent, they should be able to put up a good fight. But Korra doesn't have that. Despite being the avatar, she has the blandest fighting style ever. I get that they wanted to make her lose in her first match against Kuvira, but they could have gone about it any other way. It's just no fun seeing a one sided fight; I would rather it be a close fight, with Korra losing due to Kuvira just barely getting the edge on her (due to natural experience, or what have you) rather than Korra just being an idiot fighter. What's more galling is that she lost while in the avatar state (which shouldn't even be something she should freely be able to use in LoK, but I digress...)
Overall, Korra is one of the most disappointing benders in avatar universe. I hate watching her fight; it's just mindless flailing.
I didn't expect her to come back and dominate or win the game. I get it, I understand where we are in the plot and how things have to play out from a basic story structure. I just wanted something different. We are in the final season of the show, and they have already done the same kind of formula/structure in most of the seasons. And since they already had focused on Korra being broken and having her "training" and her "getting the metal out" moment, I just figured they would handle this a little differentl. The season has already been extremely slow, and dragged out her plot about being broken. I don't want another 3 episodes of her "finding herself".
I think I was more so disappointed about how she saw herself again in Kuvira. I was hoping they at least moved past that. I would have been more accepting of her just being "rusty"...but eh. I dunno. I just haven't been all that interested in the season up to this point. The way the story is being told. It makes it harder to love this episode. It wasn't terrible. But it was just alright. As I said to others, I think as an episode itself I think it's fine.
If you don't want to focus on the overall scope of the season, I think that is reasonable. I could see someone enjoying every episode up to this point (I pretty much have). But at least for me, I'm not really feeling this season overall. I'm just not. *shrugs*
I really hope this season takes some swerves, or the back half does something to interest me.
my god, this is exactly what Im talking about, your idea is that Avatar=Invincible. And the whole freaking point of Legend of Korra is that the Avatar is not a necessity anymore in
this world. Maybe not even a threat.
But all of you think "Avatar losing? She sucks at it, any other Avatar would just enter god mode kill the bad guy... and boom,balance"
You all want to see the Avatar as this unstopable god like Roku or Kyoshi were but you dont realize that both TLA and LOK present this thinking as Flawed.
Aang even says "Having feelings for the people in this world may make a flawed Avatar but its a flaw I'm willing to accept for this life at least"
back to Korra, we were given reasons as to why she couldn't win, she thougt she could handle but said reasons still had a hold no her, and it was all presented in a believable way, it makes her human, capable of failing to this ideal of Avatar just like Aang failed in his own ways.
But Fuck context, she lost a fight so she sucks! Jesus! some of you remind of of DBZ fans losing their Shit at the mere thought of Goku losing.
And finally, no, there is no Deus Ex Machina better than others, its still bad writting.
Admiral Woofington
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Most aren't freaking out because Korra lost. We are overall disappointed with her fighting style and scenes. No need to immediately call us action junkies.
I have no issue with Korra losing. But I do kind of take issue with her overall being an inconsistent fighter. And if the explanation for this specific fight is that she is "rusty" or still has "metal" in her, that's fine...but I'm finding the overall plot and how it's playing out this season to be kind of boring (so her losing within the context of the plot is important as to why I'm kind of rolling my eyes at it. It's not that I think she has to win, or should win -- because ZOMG she's the Avatar and she better be untouchable).
There is nothing wrong with Korra losing though. I don't think a main character should ever always win all the time. That wouldn't be interesting, and doesn't give them room to grow. But I also think the way this season has played out so far (Korra already being lost, already being at the complete bottom, and them slowly moving the season along with a lot of focus being on her getting better)...her losing the way she does in this fight, just kind of feels like another 2 steps back.
Again, I think I would be more okay with this if I found Kuvira more interesting, and the main plot/conflict more compelling. But I've found it to be pretty boring so far. Plus, I see nothing wrong with someone not like a fight based on choreography. Someone not liking the way a person loses, isn't the same as them saying they didn't want them to lose a fight.
EDIT: Keep in mind, I do know this is subjective. I'm not trying to argue that everyone should dislike this season. If you love every episode, and you love how the plot is being told, that's great. I'm really glad you love the season. For me though (and what I say in my posts), I'm just giving my perspective on why I'm not entirely feeling this episode (in the context of the overall season), and that does involve a subjective view on the overall plot being told. I understand that.
Then maybe you shouldn't design a story where the protagonist can literally become godlike and has . Or write around that, these conversations would not occur.
Admiral Woofington
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At this point I have no issue with toph coming back and kicking ass. Bolin using lavabending against the tanks/mechs. Asami providing the tech. Varrick the science. Everybody but Korra kicking ass.
lol Korra be like: aggression is wrong. Kuvira is the victim. We should be about peace.
Okay...well if you aren't going to back down. I guess I'll just use some force. BUT I'll only use my Avatar state like as a last resort lol
It was kind of funny how Korra like had no business intervening in this matter (that was probably the point). But she had like zero info, or personal view on any of this. She just basically knew that the city didn't want to sign her treaty, so if Kuvira was going to take the city by force, only then would she step in.
To be fair, I don't know what else was expected of Korra. Opal pretty much had it right all along. The only thing Korra could have done was gone into the Avatar state and rekt Kuvira and took her bending from her (since she was an aggressor with an army).
But then again, Korra is also in that mental place, where she knows her being aggressive in the past didn't always yield the best results. I just think, when you have an aggressor that is going to invade with a massive army, I think...maybe that's actually time for aggression lol Then again, I guess it's all a moot point because if Korra had just went into the Avatar state, her demons would have stopped her and mad her collapse. Or something.
Yeah, her losing isn't really what's the problem. Its that her technique wasn't that of a master. Even if she hasn't gotten her mojo back yet, she is still bending like she was in a pro bending arena. Water is her main element, and that wasn't available to her. Fire is maybe her most used element, and all she did was shoot fireballs. All she did was throw rocks. All she did was shoot air gusts. Where are the air scooters/wheels? Where are firewalls. Where are the foot traps. Korra was getting out skilled left and right. Kuvira is an elite bender, and Korra hasn't been 100% for the past three years so I can see why she would lose, but the way she lost was almost embarrassing for her.
The fight felt kind of awkward to me too. If we are going to accept that Korra is so badly damaged, she can't even muster up beginner level tier bending, then we must also accept that Kuvira should have wiped the floor with her even more so then she did. Instead we got a really slow and weird fight where both were just exchanging mediocre bending.
I dunno. The whole thing was kind of strange for me. I kind of lost respect for Kuvira after this fight. lol at her being all tired and shit, and then being like WE WON. ATTACK THEM hahah And I love what finally bested Kuvira was just Korra throwing a gust of winder at her and knocking her on her ass (like even the move that put Kuvira down was kind of mediocre).
Then again, air bending is OP as shit. Like Opal and Jinora basically took on the army with just two of them. Imagine all the air benders standing in one big wall and doing that hurricane thingy (like they did with Zaheer). The entire army would have been pushed back with all the dirt being picked up, and the force of wind picking them up and flinging them.
That's all they needed to defeat her army tbh. Tenzin dun goofed.
I said this a couple pages back. But the worst thing this season could do, is be a limp/dud ending to the series. If it's mediocre/vanilla and takes no chances, and ends up being boring or unforgettable, that to me would be way worse than Season 2's awfulness. At least that was something.
I'm not 100% writing this season off yet. I'm just kind of on the iffy side now.
the hell?
So if I want to make a story about a princess that is expected to do lots of things because she has the power to do so like many before her. but for personal reasons she wants to try other ways....and I want to play with that theme while exploring some other concepts
I shouldn't have put the character in that position to begin with?
smh.
Yeah I just mean, if the end conflict is just Kuvira launching a war on Republic City. Eh. I guess?
For me at this point, I'm not expecting any plot twists. I'm not expecting anything meaningful out of the main plot or theme wise. As long as the fighting is awesome and make the final clash epic, then I'll be more okay with it.
Korra needs to bust out Zaheer and have him join her Team Avatar. The twist is that he's the Zuko character of the series. Z..zuko...z..zaheer. get it. The redemption of the Z!
You know what, I was fine with this fight, it all made sense to me from an internal and external point of view. Korra is not John Cena and this is the mid-season, she was never going to win and Zao Fu was always going to fall. Having Korra still having having some mental issues is actually good because it shows that she was forced back too quickly still, but the duty of the Avatar does not afford her rest. Also, the idea that Kuvira is a one dimensional villain is downright laughable and you are just not paying attention. She certainly is a tyrant but the funny thing is that isn't enough to justify getting rid of her. Also, she keeps having her actions being justified to the point that even Korra has to point out how stupid some of the actions of the alleged heroes have been. I suppose that is one better things about this season actions have deep consequences. Kuvira has pretty much been sticking to her word and been acting honorable to an almost curious degree.
No, If you are going to have a character be super stronk , you are going to have to come up with a good explanation why they aren't wrecking shit. Even sonic has a grasp on this, sonic of all things.
The people criticizing did not feel the explanation narrative wise was good enough to justify her not wrecking shit.
Yeah like, in terms of where the plot is, it would make no sense for Korra to win against the antagonist. But again my issue is more so, that they spent so much time already on Korra being rock bottom and being broken. And with the rest of the plot moving so slow (and not being all that interesting -- granted that's my subjective opinion) -- that to me is why the predictable fight of her losing it, was kind of just annoying. Just feels like more stalling, and nothing else compelling to really get us along the season.
But I agree that in terms of like typical story structure, of course she wasn't going to win. And yeah, physically if they are going with her having more metal in her, then her fighting not being great is explained too.
I would have liked the writers to take a swerve. Like Korra might not have bested Kuvira, but both of them left each other wounded (so she still faltered, and had her issues to deal with it, but she also injured Kuvira, and Kuvira injured her). Or something else interrupted the fight before they could decide a winner. ANYTHING would have been more interesting given how the plot has already been played out.
I wish Bryke would have taken a risk.
JadedWriter
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I'm watching for the fight scenes. I'm not expecting anything spectacular or complex. I'm trying to figure out just how large Kuvira's eyebrows are going to get. I swear the covered up half her forehead in one shot. If Zaheer shows up I'm honestly just expecting him to suck the air out of Kuvira and give his "darkness" monologue.
Good episode. The subtext surrounding Korra is interesting to me: she's clearly still self conscious about not being as strong as she used to be. That's probably more reason than anything that she was so willing to try peaceful negotiations. Korra is trying to compensate for her new weaknesses by asserting her authority of being the avatar, but it gets thrown back into her face by a stronger willed character. This meeting between Korra and Kuvira came at the correct time, with the former struggling and the latter at the height of her power. Korra still has to reconnect with her friends and finally get over the mental block that's keeping her from her full power. She has to get over herself (which is always an interesting dynamic to me), probably with the help of her friends and a visit to Zaheer.
As far as the choreography goes, it did its job: showing just how and why Kuvira outclasses Korra. The smack talk was a great complement to the action, because Korra was a fraud for the reasons above and was sensitive to that fact, and it went farther to show how much Kuvira delights in flaunting her power. Korra is and has always been a brute: she's always just been a stronger bender than every one. But that doesn't really work against lithe and precise opponents, of which Kuvira is both. Even in Korra's best of days, Kuvira's style of bending and limb restriction is a bad matchup for Korra. The choreography, while slow (purposefully, I believe), did well to show that.
Varrick is firing on all cylinders for me. While his "arc" is laughable, he brings the right tone of functional comedy relief. Pairing Bolin up with Varrick was a great move because they play off each other pretty well. The airbending kids continue to not offend, although Meelo's delivery is starting to wear out its welcome. I loved the "let's get it on!" but not so much the meta commentary he was providing. No need to tease your fans real time about how action-less your season is at the half way point. I guess they're really confident that the back half is going to be a wild fucking ride. And I'm ready.
As usual, not enough screen time to go around. Mako has been absent for three episodes straight, while Asami had a small detour that is setting up Hiroshi's atonement. I'm whatever on that; I would have much preferred Asami's arc to be getting over her dad and assuming his mantle and then some in her own way, but that's obviously not to be. I don't believe Kai has shown up since episode one, which is just more proof of how extraneous a character he was in the first place. Every thing he did should have just been Jinora instead.
As far as the choreography goes, it did its job: showing just how and why Kuvira outclasses Korra. The smack talk was a great complement to the action, because Korra was a fraud for the reasons above and was sensitive to that fact, and it went farther to show how much Kuvira delights in flaunting her power. Korra is and has always been a brute: she's always just been a stronger bender than every one. But that doesn't really work against lithe and precise opponents, of which Kuvira is both. Even in Korra's best of days, Kuvira's style of bending and limb restriction is a bad matchup for Korra. The choreography, while slow (purposefully, I believe), did well to show that.
Varrick is firing on all cylinders for me. While his "arc" is laughable, he brings the right tone of functional comedy relief. Pairing Bolin up with Varrick was a great move because they play off each other pretty well. The airbending kids continue to not offend, although Meelo's delivery is starting to wear out its welcome. I loved the "let's get it on!" but not so much the meta commentary he was providing. No need to tease your fans real time about how action-less your season is at the half way point. I guess they're really confident that the back half is going to be a wild fucking ride. And I'm ready.
As usual, not enough screen time to go around. Mako has been absent for three episodes straight, while Asami had a small detour that is setting up Hiroshi's atonement. I'm whatever on that; I would have much preferred Asami's arc to be getting over her dad and assuming his mantle and then some in her own way, but that's obviously not to be. I don't believe Kai has shown up since episode one, which is just more proof of how extraneous a character he was in the first place. Every thing he did should have just been Jinora instead.
Okay this made me laugh.
Varrik was the only good thing about dat episode. I want more of him. He's sadly replaced Asami. On the plus side, he has a more distinct personality.
I'm assuming the rest of the episodes will be her trying to find a way to reconnect with Raava and the other avatars. Only real thing left to "conquer" at this point.
I"m wondering if she is going to confront her fears in person with a 1 on 1 "talk" or whatever with Zaheer. I remember a white lotus prison/hold being in the trailer for the season awhile back
I"m wondering if she is going to confront her fears in person with a 1 on 1 "talk" or whatever with Zaheer. I remember a white lotus prison/hold being in the trailer for the season awhile back
It'd be a bit hard to do right, but that could actually be cool. "Prove that you're more than just talk. We now have a dictator more oppressive than before." She'd have to face her trauma head on too. Eh, I dunno, but it wouldn't be the worst thing they could do.
Well, no, it isn't just because the story demands that Korra needs to lose here, it is also extending the theme of Korra isn't at 100 percent yet and needs further refinement and it does so in a way befitting Korra's overall character. It makes sense to me that Ms. Patience Problems would have the hardest time with the mental scars.
That would actually be kind of cool. Like, the way to get back to her full strength is to get back that connection lost in Book 2. I mean to be fair, Korra wasn't 100% in Book 3 either. She really didn't have a lot of fight sequences or physical battles to show that. Well, in Book 3 finale she went fuckin insane in Avatar Mode. Probably the strongest we had ever seen her lmao.
I dunno. But yeah, I would like that.
Yeah see I agree with you. Where I disagree...is that I think writers have to make sure that what they are writing is interesting. And I think the context of the plot, the pacing etc. You really need to make it compelling. I guess you find her losing here (and them extending her demons) compelling. So that is where we don't agree, which is fine. I think, I would be more okay with that plot if they handled it better in this season. But for me, the pacing this season has been way too slow.
And I'm also not digging just how they are setting up this main conflict, and how the plot is being pushed a long. Apart of me kind of thinks that maybe they should have just focused more on Korra's broken/training stuff. Went more in depth with it, and did more with her demons. Rather than kind of lumping it together with Kuvira in the background.
I dunno. I just am not a fan at all of what they are doing this season. But on the plus side, I have enjoyed each episode individually.
To be fair, Korra did throw a whole mountain one time.
Admiral Woofington
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Azula feels the whole season is just stalling.
Personally I feel the whole season is Stalin
Personally I feel the whole season is Stalin
Too hard to say. I mean, if the rest of this season falls into place...and if the back half is really great...I would say the series overall would be good.
If this season kind of just limps along, and is boring (or if it has a terrible back half and ending), then it's kind of harder to look back on the series as really good or great. But I still enjoyed Book 1 despite it's flaws. I still loved the Origin's episode in Book 2. And found the back half had some good episodes. I still think Book 3 was great overall and was ATLA level.
I still think that all the episode this season (despite me not loving what they are doing overall), have been really solid and enjoyable. Obviously we can't predict where this season will go. We can't make assumptions of what it will be quality wise.
But I would lean more towards the overall series being decent. I want this season to stick its landing. I want it to end on a really high note, so we can look back at the overall series a bit better. So we'll see where it goes. To be clear, I'm not 100% saying this season is doomed lol.
I liked today's episode yo. I just am kind of losing patience and feeling a bit iffy on what Bryke wants to do with this season. But personally, I feel Korra as a series has done enough for me, that I can look back on it and be okay with what we got. That's how I feel.
Thing is, the series already established that and gave us a two episode long healing story. This just shows once again that Korra is absolutely ill prepared. She neither knows the situation, nor her enemy and thus can't calculate if she can win. She just goes in expecting to be great and powerful, just to vanish in a cloud of dust and wind.
I smirked.
Icyflamez96
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That fight scene was straight garbage.
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Are you kidding me. She could lose, but make it a bit more dynamic at least. Korra shouldn't have been getting f***ed up that much.
Suyin is an idiot, like I was saying last episode.
Korra what kind of avatar are you. Get good ugh
Korra was always a pretty garbage fighter outside of the avatar state, but this was just embarrassing. Jinor's hair continues being stupid as heck. I like Meelo's character, I really do, but his voice actor is the most grating thing I've ever had the displeasure of hearing.
Opal is almost as stupid as her mom.
2 measly airbenders held off the entire army. They could have just stayed there forever and the army would have got bored and left.
The Bolin and Varrik stuff was cool though.
Overall a very enjoyable episode.
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Are you kidding me. She could lose, but make it a bit more dynamic at least. Korra shouldn't have been getting f***ed up that much.
Suyin is an idiot, like I was saying last episode.
Korra what kind of avatar are you. Get good ugh
Korra was always a pretty garbage fighter outside of the avatar state, but this was just embarrassing. Jinor's hair continues being stupid as heck. I like Meelo's character, I really do, but his voice actor is the most grating thing I've ever had the displeasure of hearing.
Opal is almost as stupid as her mom.
2 measly airbenders held off the entire army. They could have just stayed there forever and the army would have got bored and left.
The Bolin and Varrik stuff was cool though.
Overall a very enjoyable episode.
Korra either shouldn't have been getting fucked up that much, or she should have gotten more fucked up than she did. They should have decided what they wanted to do. Lol cuz fight was kind of strange, and made Kuvira look like amateur hour too.
Admiral Woofington
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Year of the Bolin
No, I quite like it. In parts, more than AtLA, even though as a whole it's a step back from its predecessor's heights.
At this point, why not? I was kind of let down with how quickly his plot w/ Kuvira fell apart. But on the other hand, they are in a dire situation. Korra is no good. Everything is fucked. I would love to see Bolin and Varrik become heroes.
Admiral Woofington
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Lava bending fucks up mechs and tanks. Varrick fights against science. Science and lava. Together again.
this joke is Amon level
Seems to be one of the core thesis statements of the season, does the world need the Avatar and such. Of course, the situation really hasn't allowed her the time to get up to speed with everything.
Let's do it. Their scenes were great. I knew it wouldn't happen, but apart of me was kind of hoping Varrik and Bolin would have showed up and fucked shit up. Bolin laying down some Lava. Varrik throwing some spirit vine bombs. Rekt shit.
Would have been a cooler way to save Korra than Jinora and Opal doing that hurricane thingy...that makes air bending OP as fuck.
Shouldn't that plot play out with her not knowing how to deal with these political situations? You could still have that theme dog her, without them dragging on her "broken" state plot.
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