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Keeping balance means stopping nations from oppressing their own citizens, even if its under the guise of progress and freedom.
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Legend of Korra Book 4: Balance |OT| A Feast of Crows
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Keeping balance means stopping nations from oppressing their own citizens, even if its under the guise of progress and freedom.
Well, she can be, but that doesn't mean she can't have a sex life...or even genuine love for Bataar Jr. If anything, it would make her more intriguing if she genuinely loves him rather than just using him as another part of her giant 'fuck you' plan to sue.
It also deals with the military mindset when it comes to such power. Of course, Kuvira isn't going to ignore better, more powerful technology that would make her job easier and damn the consequence in acquiring it.
The only point that she has, is that she actually did the work and no one else did. So she has the right to take over, since she actually made a move. There is no depth to what she's doing though (no real motivation)...she just wants power, and was there to fill the void.
That's fine though. Evil to be evil can be fun. I just haven't found her character to be that compelling or interesting. I hope they do more with her in the second half. Nothing she's doing is making the earth kingdom better. People are trading in lack of food, for slavery.
I guess maybe she sees order (even in this form) better than Chaos. That's fine. But clearly Kuvira is just trying to get power, and gets off on it. That's about as much as there is to what she wants from all of this.
It all ties back to power. Why is the avatar so important? Centralized, neutral power.
In case things go really bad with the spirit vine bomb/tech, she'll have to deal with the fact that she's the sole reason that power source exists in the first place.
Every death/injury from that spirit energy is a direct result of her letting the spirit world cross over into the natural world.
I don't get a vibe from her about Bataar Jr. either way. This needs to come up soon.
JadedWriter
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Does this mean you like my favorite Miyazaki film? Kuvira was kicking Korra's ass until Korra went avatar state, that shit's a cheat code. Then after that Opal and Jinora had to save her ass.Yeah, but it was kind of pathetic. It's like taking your victory when you didn't really win. I dunno. I just wish Kuvira had done more in the fight. It kind of framed her as a weak villain and then someone that was willing to accept her win and declare herself as this god...despite being pretty pathetic. I dunno. The moment just made me laugh.
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I swear yall are never satisfied. You saw from epi one how bad korra was at bending. You knew the season Wouldn't be typical because of that rehab but you expect korra to be OP anyway. If the season had started fast you would've compared it to season three and complained. The ozai, kuvira comparisons, I'm not even going to touch on that too much. The fact that kuvira actually is using her brain already makes her 10x better than ozai. All in all you guys just aren't satisfied from anything at this point. You can give up watching. I'll leave astronomical expectations at the door and enjoy the rest for you.
I got youYeah, but it was kind of pathetic. It's like taking your victory when you didn't really win. I dunno. I just wish Kuvira had done more in the fight. It kind of framed her as a weak villain and then someone that was willing to accept her win and declare herself as this god...despite being pretty pathetic. I dunno. The moment just made me laugh.
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I honestly wouldn't call anything Avatar bad, most of it comes as "not as good as x" which sometimes its fair, Korra has a lot of problems but its an enjoyable ride.
calling a series like Korra "Terrible" is just hyperbole. There is a lot of quality here, the way we can have this discussions based on lore alone proves it.
There are truly terrible action shows out there, Ben 10 Omniverse is terrible (McDuffie certainly was holding that thing on his own), HULK and SMASH is terrible
I dont know why but it bothers me when people use words like that (I am aware I'm on the Internet)
calling a series like Korra "Terrible" is just hyperbole. There is a lot of quality here, the way we can have this discussions based on lore alone proves it.
There are truly terrible action shows out there, Ben 10 Omniverse is terrible (McDuffie certainly was holding that thing on his own), HULK and SMASH is terrible
I dont know why but it bothers me when people use words like that (I am aware I'm on the Internet)
Admiral Woofington
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Well. Really there's little point.
The only way this could work is if they spent a sizable amount of episodes on Varrick and Bolin sneaking out of the earth alliance towards Republic City. Which honestly I'm all for. It is re-fucking-diculous how well the dynamic of Bolin and Varrick has worked out this season. If they could keep Bolin as the serious/scared comedic side and Varrick as the wacky happy guy they could really redeem Bolin in the comedy department.
But more to the point I doubt they'll spend too much time on the run. Opal, Mako and the krew are far away from Kuvira and Junior so there's nobody to tell that Bolin is dead and have an emotional toll. I mean Suyin likes Bolin but no more than a "he's a nice guy, I don't mind my daughter dating him". The rest of the brothers probably see him no more than like that either. By the time Kuvira or Junior meet with the opposing forces and possibly tell them of their fate they will already be either reunited with the cast or about to be.
I was kind of taken back by that. I assumed Zhu Li was just pretending and would break out Varrik. But it seems like they are really going with that plot with her being tired of how Varrik treats her. So...yeah. Maybe?
Eh, I think some of it is objectively bad. Like the Season 1 finale was pretty awful. The way they had Spirit Aang not only give Korra back all her bending, but the ability to go into the Avatar sate and control it. It was clearly written as a one off season. But even that isn't an excuse to kind of wrap up everything in such a contrived and unfulfilling way. They shouldn't' have written a plot in the first place if they couldn't deal with it.
Season 2's episodes were pretty awful. Like the first half, every episode really fell apart on a structure/pacing level. Even the writers have said that making Book 2 was the worst time of their lives, and it was hell. I think it really showed. They were cramming in way too many plot, and the episodes were all over the place tonally and how the plot were executed. So I would say those were pretty terrible.
The finale of Book 2 and the ending with Jinora was awful. The writers even said they didn't know what Jinora did, and that fans could come up with an explanation. That's terrible writing.
No way. She's just helping for now until Varrick comes back for her, or vice versa.
No way Zhu-Li is really in it for Kuvira.
Admiral Woofington
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WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too early to tell and honestly don't bet on it. Her face when Junior said that Varrick and Bolin are dead was trying to hide emotions.
There's a couple agents complicit with the creation of the spirit bomb (that's what it's called now, we took a vote): Korra, for reopening the portals. Varrick and Zhu Li, for building the thing. All her minions for following along. The buck stops with Kuvira obviously, so it all falls on her. But it shows just how much goes in to a "bad" decision, and how blame usually is misapplied during the fallout.
From her position, as leader of the Earth Kingdom, she does have a "right" to unify her kingdom. She also stepped up, and through her indomitable will was chaos beaten back. All the world leaders recognize this. But her ascent was too swift and she's now too powerful, so Kuvira holds all the cards.
That's what Kuvira represents: the idea of an earthbender's indomitable will being taken to its extreme. She gets what she wants, and she wants power. To us that appears villainous, and the writers are laying it on thick with that re-education camp shit, but from her perspective she is asserting her will and doing "good" by restoring order. And she gets off on it, as it's plain to see.
It makes sense from her perspective, which is what I like in a villain: to be able to see things from their eyes. That old saying "if I don't build it, someone else will" applies here, I think. And if you have the means to monopolize power to further your goals, you carry the burden of using it.
I'm not disagreeing with you.
On the other hand that passive aggressive golf clap may signify that she is not all on Kuvira's side.
I guess my thing is, Kuvira only cares about Power. There is no depth to what she's doing. I think it would be more interesting if she really believed in what she was doing, like philosophically. That, making everyone work in slave camps, and having a power force reign in chaos is STRENGTH for their homeland. But pretty much anything she says is BS, and it's really just about her wanting that power.
I just don't really find that particularly compelling. So for me, if they aren't going to focus on the politics of this plot, then I want the character to be entertaining. I guess we just don't agree on this. But I haven't found her to be that interesting as the story has gone on. She's kind of bland to me. I liked her early on, because I liked her design and her fighting style. And I liked the possibilities of what she could become. But so far it's kind of eh for me.
I don't hate her or anything. I'm just kind of losing steam, and thinking that maybe she won't be that great of a final conflict for the series. But we'll just have to see. I still think her bizarre fight with Korra (when she clearly should have rekt her more)...kind of framed her as a weak antagonist. And then her claiming victory when it easily fell into her lap, kind of made me dislike her more.
Although I can see where you guys are coming from with her getting off on domination. That was kind of step in a direction of giving her some unique traits to her.
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We've had hints that outside of respect for his brilliant mind that she also seems to be in love with his sweeter side. Varrick was pretty torn up about her betrayal too. Heck his last words were to her. I'm sure she'll come back and demand he treats her better.
I mean, she could theoretically be doing both. Like an islamophobic that joins the military because he believes america can do good in the world by going to war in the middle east. Maybe she does believe that uniting the earth nation is a good thing, while also being a fascist.
Yeah, I mean they could do something more with her. I still thought her flashback with Su was kind of interesting. Like tonally, they focused on Kuvira really feeling they should step in. I think, that was kind of a hint that maybe there was something more to her then just wanting power. But then they've had a shift to the character, and what we see is just someone that only wants power. So I'm kind of confused by the mixed signals they are giving with her.
And then how she jumps in and out of her various personas. When she talks calmly, she basically says her angry side is just an act she puts on. But clearly her being calm is the act, since so much of who she is, is driven by her just wanting power. Again, fine. I just hope they make her more entertaining on a fighting/conflict level. If they are going that route.
I guess i just wonder how they are going to bring this all together. I mean, the theme of this season is clearly about Korra struggling to be relevant. The avatar's relevancy etc. But if they aren't going to touch the political plot, and there won't be any depth to it more than Kuvira just wanting that power, I'm kind of wondering how they tie Korra's relevancy in how she fits into all of this (because she's basically just going to be an opposing physical force against her). So I wonder how they go beyond that, and then make her come up with a solution for all of this.
I'm just hoping that all of this doesn't boil down to Kuvira vs. Korra in a physical sense. And that they come to some kind of conclusion that feels fitting for the entire series.
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Is Advanced Warfare worth getting? I'll look through my Wii U settings to figure what the hell I'm called on that thing as well and send it to you. I have probably most of the important current PS4 games. Can't wait to play as well, same goes to all of KorraGaf minus Toa, because likes to back losing horses.Yeah, i'm a huge fan of Miyazaki. 108 is just from LOST. I just use that number any time I need it. It's kind of lame. None of my names ever work without a # since they are always taken. I'm kind of kicking myself for not going with Azulaaaa or some form of Azula on PSN. Just because it's kind of confusing when I want to play with fellow GAF people. BTW can't wait to play with Ya Jaded.
Also freakin Sony for not allowing name changes still smh. I would just create a new PSN account, but I have all my shit tied to with (digitally) and with my PS +. So yeah, no. So sadly I have a split account name. It's kind of confusing.
Eh, I dunno. I haven't been a fan of Call of Duty in a long time. I'm actually really enjoying this version. But...it's hard to recommend. Because it basically gets back to being fun, but the changes they made to it (the tweaks) aren't really far enough to make it like a new game either. It just ends up being the same old. If anything, I think they just rolled back some of the changes they made that made the series worse. So it's like...yay? You went back to things before.
For me, the jet pack stuff makes it more fun. You can constantly propel forward or back, or left and right. So besides hovering, I think it's a lot more fun to just be shooting across the map. Makes one on one fights more fun. BUT again, not enough to really sell someone on it for $60. That's just me though. I'm having fun with it, but I know I'll drop it when Unity and GTA V comes out. Or hell, Smash Bros on Wii U. Lol there is too many damn games out. And then I'll be playing the shit out of MCC on X1. So yeah, if you aren't bored and have $60 to throw around, maybe skip on COD.
Yeah, if you like COD...it's totally worth. It's the best game in a long time. But if you are burnt out on COD, or not a big fan, then I don't think the changes are enough to sell you on it. Plus keep in mind there like 5 major games coming out.
I find the pursuit of power is the same for everyone: everyone wants it for one reason or another, and most reasons aren't more interesting than the next.
It's how you get that power, and maintain that power, that's interesting to me. Kuvira differs from Ozai in that she uses a variety of methods to get her way. Kuvira is aware of how her actions appear to the rest of the world, who can still pose a formidable threat to her if she crosses the line.
Now I get you in that she can be boring, and honestly I don't disagree. I like her swagger but that's about it so far. But she's a quantum leap from Ozai, who was barely a character in his own right. Kuvira uses and abuses strategically, and delights in crushing her opponents. It was all over her face while she was fighting the Avatar. You can understand her reasoning, especially considering how she became the leader of the Earth Kingdom. So if she only cares about power, that's fine. It's how she gets to that point, and how she wields it, that ultimately matters.
The best way to deepen her character is to have Kuvira reflect on her road to where she is. So we can see why she decided to build a bomb, why she decided to install internment camps. To see her game plan laid bare and the thinking that went into it would go a long way. I seriously doubt any of this happens, but it's a thought.
To be honest, if there was more to Kuvira, I seriously think it would have been revealed here. Korra went specifically to try and reason with Kuvira. Kuvira herself was open to discussion. But we got nothing from that talk. Korra didn't ask about her motives, Kuvira didn't go into them. They didn't talk about why one thought the conquest of Zaofu was justified and why it was not. The only thing Korra actually bothers to learn about Kuvira is through Suyin's gossip (which I would hardly take as gospel in Korra's place at this point).
And it's not like Kuvira seems like she'd have any issue discussing those things, Korra just doesn't think to bring them up at a time where they should be the centerpoint of discussion. I mean, it's a simple question: "Why does Zaofu need to be conquered when the earth kingdom is stable once again?" That is supposed to be the conversation here, but all we get is "You are wrong" "No I'm not." Therefore: Diplomacy has failed.
Honestly, even if we do get more to Kuvira's character, THIS was where we should ahve gotten this information. Without it, it throws off the pacing of the story.
Ozai is perpetually the character that isn't very deep, yet always deeper than most people give him credit for. He was a genocidal maniac, but you can't ignore that he kept his own people well treated and happy. He knew he couldn't just be all "Bwahahaha" all the time, and clearly went to some lengths to take care of his people. This is in particularly true of Azula and Zuko. He's still a sociopath so he used them as a tools rather than treating them as people, but when they did well, he rewarded them with any respect they sought. With Zuko, it was things like being a voice in his war council, which he refused to start if he wasn't there. And with Azula, he gave her the entire fire nation.
The guy was a psychopath, but he wasn't stupid.
Yeah I can agree with that. How you get the power, is kind of on the same level of being entertaining from a fighting perspective. I guess my issue is, I think on paper I think how Kuvira has went about amassing power is interesting. I'm not finding her particularly compelling because of how this season has unfolded so far (how the plot has progressed). I can accept this is just a subjective view. I'm just hoping they do more and the final conflict really takes off in a way that I really enjoy.
Anyways, we can look forward to another 2-3 episodes of Korra being broken and recovering. Woot. Back to Republic City. Back to Korra not understanding why she's broken. I hope Kuvira isn't pushed to the background with her plot moving slowly. Like we just get brief shots of her "advancing the spirit vines" and then "I'm going to take Republic City next"...and that's all we get. I would kind of hate for Kuvira to basically be given the Zaheer treatment at this point in the story, where she slips back to an impending threat off in the distance. Just because I've already kind of found her character and her story to be moving kind of slowly.
If the story shifts focus to Korra re-training and building herself, then that pretty much is the rest of the season, until it all comes back to Kuvira at the gates of Republic City.
Ghosts was awful and I almost didn't pick this one up. But man is it fun.
YES! That's what I've been saying for awhile now.
Kuvira does elucidate. She says Zaofu has resources that need to be distributed to the rest of the nation. So, she's full blown socialist.
But it's probably just an excuse to conquer her home town that also happens to have plentiful resources for war and is a veritable stronghold besides.
Yeah, Ghost was shit. I actually picked it up, because I had a PS4 at launch. And I figured what the hell. This is definitely a lot of fun. I honestly think it's the best game since the early modern warfares. Although I liked Blops 1 enough.
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Yeah, this episode. Where was this line of discussion during the peace talk with Korra, where it would have actually been relevent as a statement of her goals? That's what I mean. Kuvira may have deeper reasons for wanting to do what she does, but THIS is where we should have recieved that information, not as a war cry after the possibility of negociation (the thing Korra was striving for and Kuvira was atleast willing to entertain) has passed.
Yeah. MW3 and Ghosts really soured me on the series. So long Infinity Ward.
And yo, despite seeing hints of what might be deeper motivations, Bryke won't deliver.
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JadedWriter
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I don't $60 like COD, sounds like I should just keep playing Bayonetta 2 this weekend. You got Mario Kart?
Yeah I do. We should play that then. Also Bayonetta 2 is amazing.
Icyflamez96
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The first second I saw this, I thought it was Kuvira who somehow had avatar state powers.
Also, Zao Fu is part of the Earth Kingdom and Kuvira points out that they need to join the new order, what makes them so special, so different then other provinces, other cities that didn't want to join?
I was gonna say, that one be one hell of a twist.
The first second I saw this, I thought it was Kuvira who somehow had avatar state powers.
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Anyone play any Souls' games? Other than Dragon Age and potentially AC I don't really play much CO-OP :3. Does PS4 have party chat?
Same, I was all like "There it is" regarding the TWIST THAT WILL HAPPEN SOON. I was wrong.
Yeah, I thought the same. It was like the Amon-Zaheer moment in the finale book 3.
The first second I saw this, I thought it was Kuvira who somehow had avatar state powers.
Like "HOLY SHIT WHAT A TWI- wait a second, that doesn't make sense..."
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Bayonetta 2 is over the top as fuck but I love it. I'm pissed about Jeanne being captured or whatever since I liked her a lot in the beginning.
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This really should have happened because it would've knocked a lot of the wind out of Korra's sails.
The first second I saw this, I thought it was Kuvira who somehow had avatar state powers.
I agree with literally nothing you said, but on this point.
That whole 5 seconds of Kuvira about to kill Korra was genius. The next Avatar would be an Earthbender aka an Earth Empire citizen. Kill the Avatar, find and raise the next one. On the other hand, try to kill the Avatar, get stopped by the airbenders, take the city.
God yes. I freaked the hell out for a second.
Wow look at this swell poster.
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