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[2thepoint]

Am I missing something, how was Destiny gimped on the PS4? And lol at that irrelevant point (and inaccurate) in bold.

Irrelevant that a console in third has more clout and sway than a console leading the market?

Wouldn't publishers prefer to stay on good terms with the market leader for the foreseeable future, rather than pander to the lowest common denominator?

What is the point in being more powerful if only first-parties will touch that power? It goes completely against the whole notion that PS4 is X86 and much more simpler to handle than PS3 and Cell. If it's that much more easier, where is the extra AA, particle effects, or whatever relative to Xbox One?

Destiny is 1080p on both Xbox One and PS4 - PS4 had no added effects to utilize the extra power, so in effect, it was gimped to allow the Xbox One SKU to match it, as PS4 is considerably more powerful in terms of GPU & RAM with nothing to show except parity with a lesser console.

 

[Messi]

As long as the game is fun then it doesn't bother me.

 

[SeanTSC]

Is it really so hard to not use the word Parity and just say "We're aiming to bring the most that we can out of each platform"? Parity is an awful term to use and has nothing but negative backlash now, please stop using it. Can we go a week without some game company's PR saying something stupid for once? Please?

 

[Pathfinder]

I'm sure many other people did the same thing, however I am not at all convinced about the effectiveness of boycotts in terms of shaping publisher behavior. I believe that positive reinforcement is much more effective in showing publishers where the audience is. I believe it's more likely that an AC or Batman boycott will end up hurting the PS4 platform since it's likely that the Xbox One or PC sales will be inflated as a result, causing the developers and publishers to focus even more on those versions.

Yup, exactly this. The more people cancel pre-orders and buy games used, the more publishers will keep to this parity way of thinking for multiplatform games.

 

[pixlexic]

People get so worked up without even knowing what would be possible on the ps4 in the first place.

Lol

 

[tbm24]

Is it really so hard to not use the word Parity and just say "We're aiming to bring the most that we can out of each platform"? Parity is an awful term to use and has nothing but negative backlash now, please stop using it. Can we go a week without some game company's PR saying something stupid for once? Please?

If the main issue you have is the word instead of what they are actually trying to say, then why is it a problem? It's just a word.

 

[Wollveren]

Irrelevant that a console in third has more clout and sway than a console leading the market?

Wouldn't publishers prefer to stay on good terms with the market leader for the foreseeable future, rather than pander to the lowest common denominator?

What is the point in being more powerful if only first-parties will touch that power? It goes completely against the whole notion that PS4 is X86 and much more simpler to handle than PS3 and Cell. If it's that much more easier, where is the extra AA, particle effects, or whatever relative to Xbox One?

Destiny is 1080p on both Xbox One and PS4 - PS4 had no added effects to utilize the extra power, so in effect, it was gimped to allow the Xbox One SKU to match it, as PS4 is considerably more powerful in terms of GPU & RAM with nothing to show except parity with a lesser console.

Irrelevant maybe because the console in 2nd (not 100% sure about that but okay) DOESN'T HAVE THOSE GAME AVAILABLE WHICH YOU'VE MENTIONED but okay
You stating the whole console in 3rd was just you wanting to throw a jab at Xb1 more than anything.

 

[StuBurns]

Is it really so hard to not use the word Parity and just say "We're aiming to bring the most that we can out of each platform"? Parity is an awful term to use and has nothing but negative backlash now, please stop using it. Can we go a week without some game company's PR saying something stupid for once? Please?

But that's not a semantic change, that's a literal change.

Why say they want to get the most out of each platform if they don't?

 

[ShogunX]

Won't buy if true. One my friends is diehard Batman fan, but hates Xbox and cancelled AC Unity after parity(I did too). Will be interesting to see his response to this.

Sounds like you and your ''diehard'' friend need to buy a decent gaming PC. The amount of people on GAF who love to pretend they strive for technical excellence yet only play console games is laughable.

Honestly if people really do care about getting the most out of your games stop fighting over the scraps and tweak your own settings.

 

[bishoptl]

I'm sure many other people did the same thing, however I am not at all convinced about the effectiveness of boycotts in terms of shaping publisher behavior.

It absolutely worked on the console manufacturer side.

 

[>-Baron-Spamedi-<]

If he's a diehard Batman fan, but will refuse to buy this game because of "parity", then that doesn't really count as being a diehard fan. It's more a fair weather fan.

Or maybe it makes him a die-hard fan who wants to stand by a principle he believes in?

 

[Wollveren]

It absolutely worked on the console manufacturer side.

Comparing the lesser of two evils. Both are still wrong but one is not exactly the same as the other.

 

[Ursiform]

So a 6:1 lead in Europe, a 1.5:1 lead in UK and US doesn't warrant extra resources?

That... doesn't sound right. At least not the EU part.

 

[Head.spawn]

Parity is such an ambiguous term that I'm surprised people lose all rationale when they hear it.

 

[StrongBlackVine]

Sounds like you and your ''diehard'' friend need to buy a decent gaming PC. The amount of people on GAF who love to pretend they strive for technical excellence yet only play console games is laughable.

Honestly if people really do care about getting the most out of your games stop fighting over the scraps and tweak your own settings.

I have in the past and things like this push me to build another one. I'd prefer to stick to console though.

1080p/30fps is good enough for me. When the majority of games can't hit that on PS4 I'll start looking at building another PC. For now ignoring a few games works fine.

 

[AndrewDean84xX]

Still Day 1. Just now, on my XBO most likely.

 

[Lucky_Se7enty]

where was the parity last gen? why is it so important now.

 

[Stallion Dan]

I've always found the idea of boycotting strange, especially with the different reasons for it. I've been raised with a lot of Palestinian friends, who always boycott lots of different Israeli related products, and for a large period of time I did the same. Until one day my Uncle took me to starbucks and I refused to buy, and we had a small debate about the whole concept of boycotting.

I've just decided to not boycott anymore, and it was hard with my friends, because really, the only person you are depriving (especially if it is a great product) is yourself in the end.
But hey I'm not here to argue philosophy.

Unlike coffee you can buy games used, you are still protesting with your wallet yet not depriving yourself of anything.

 

[FranXico]

As long as the game is still fun, it won't bother me. I will buy it on the PS4.

 

[tbm24]

where was the parity last gen? why is it so important now.

What makes you think they didn't try?

 

[graywolf323]

Nope, I am pretty sure they have a partenership with Sony and have done for the past games in the series.

well Sony had a partnership with the past games in the AC series too, these things can always change

 

[LosDaddie]

PS4 owner here, not concerned with Console Wars, and i'll still be buying the game...depending on reviews.

I have faith Rocksteady will have the game looking great.

Is it really so hard to not use the word Parity and just say "We're aiming to bring the most that we can out of each platform"? Parity is an awful term to use and has nothing but negative backlash now, please stop using it. Can we go a week without some game company's PR saying something stupid for once? Please?

Awful term only in the minds of console warriors.

 

[BLUElightCory]

PS4 had no added effects to utilize the extra power, so in effect, it was gimped to allow the Xbox One SKU to match it, as PS4 is considerably more powerful in terms of GPU & RAM with nothing to show except parity with a lesser console.

Is it possible that once they hit their performance benchmarks they elected to put the manpower into other things that were deemed more important than extra graphical effects for the PS4? At that point in development most devs are in crunch mode just trying to ship a solid product, it's feasible that extra treatment for the PS4 version just wasn't a top priority. That's not so much "gimping" in the negative sense of the word as it is just a reality of development and resource management. Maybe they could have done it, but most likely there were more pressing demands on their resources.

 

[StuBurns]

It absolutely worked on the console manufacturer side.

I don't believe that.

#NoDRM or whatever it was I don't believe changed anything, only the way Sony decided to announce it. In February they'd already confirmed always-offline and used game support. There was no DRM to boycott, after it was fully revealed, Sony even said they were already going in that direction when the campaign took off.

And MS didn't flip because of a boycott, they flipped because everyone lost their shit. It was a PR nightmare. Companies will change their stance from overwhelming public demand of course, but I think it needs to extend way beyond a boycott, it needs to be Jimmy Fallon pointing it out on TV, etc.

 

[Wollveren]

Unlike coffee you can buy games used, you are still protesting with your wallet yet not depriving yourself of anything.

I still find that weird, you're are so AGAINST them doing this parity thing, that you would boycott them, but hey you hate them so much that you would still grab their game.

I mean you could do the same with the coffee, your friend buys the coffee beans and you buy it from him but whatever. I don't want to argue philosphy here, leave that for /r/philosophy ^^

 

[Pathfinder]

It absolutely worked on the console manufacturer side.

True, it did. However I don't think software boycotts will work the same way as hardware boycotts.

Hardware boycotts show support of one major platform over the other. It benefited Sony, and hurt Microsoft.

Software boycotts just show lack of support for said platform. It only serves to benefit the competing platform.

 

[Xtra]

I think gaming companies should just not give a comment rather than announce this "graphics parity" that they are. At best they are just pissing off potential customers and at worst they are exposing laziness/back-alley dealings.

People get so worked up without even knowing what would be possible on the ps4 in the first place.

Lol

I guess people just assume something that is 50% more powerful would result in you know... some difference. I mean throwing out higher resolution/better framerates is trivial with all else held equal given the performance gap.

This "parity" comes off as saying that rockstar are capping the game at 1080p for XBONE and leaving 0.6 TFLOPS of GPU (50% of XBones GPU processor) power on the floor for the PS4 and much more so for the PC. That is going to leave a bad taste in anyone's mouth no matter who they are.

 

[GeoramA]

Why would you even admit that you're doing this bullshit?? Boggles my mind.

Oh well, one less day 1 buy for 2015. So glad these consoles play used games

 

[TheStruggler]

another game i can cross off my list, developers are making it to easy for me to keep my money these days

 

[AmaterasuOni]

Batman moved from one of my most hyped games into "meh, whatever" game in a period of 3 minutes or less. Way to go, who ever is moneyhatting this stupid shit. I don't like you.

 

[Zombie James]

Parity is such an ambiguous term that I'm surprised people lose all rationale when they hear it.

I'm surprised publishers and developers don't speak in specific terms. You'd think that after all the Unity debate Rocksteady would have been smart enough to avoid using a phrase like "we're aiming for parity across all platforms," to begin with. Now they have people cancelling pre-orders and second-guessing their purchasing decisions for the next seven months.

 

[IndoAssassin]

I really don't want to argue with you because I really don't understand some of the points you are making and its relevance. You just listed a bunch of facts. Also your last point is so lame and short sighted. The whole "only MS can benefit" point is extremely idiotic. But I'm not going to argue that since you've made up your mind about MS being the bad guy here, and enforcing this even though you have no hard evidence. Stop treating it like a mathematical equation of "oh x+y+z = MS are evil bad mean corporation who did this".

You've just turned this argument into something else as well, it started off with you arguing Arkham Knight must have parity enforced by MS, to (after realising you are wrong since you've failed to mention that AK HAS A MARKETING PARTNERSHIP WITH SONY) you talking about why parity is bad and I should be outraged.

I never talked about parity as a whole, and no where did I argue that it's something good.

It's not out of the realm of possibility tho even if they have a marketing partnership with Sony. I mean MS doesn't have to throw bags of money to entice developers to make both versions the same. It could be as simple as offering a discount on the licensing agreement for said game. Or if both versions are similar and the X1 version sells a certain amount, then they could be given a refund on a portion of the licensing agreement. But it's just speculation based on reputation and this is the stigma associated with MS as a corporation since it's inception.

 

[Duxxy3]

Let's come back to this after we've seen the digital foundry article for AC Unity. Resolution parity does not necessarily mean full parity.

 

[gigantor21]

Thank God for Durante.

 

[Shin-Ra]

We're aiming for parity across all platforms. Whatever it is, it's going to be awesome.

So awesome!

Sorry PC gamers, you're stuck with whatever Xbone can handle too!

 

[JP]

Mmmmmm, graphics panties.

Wait, no, I read that wrong!!!!!!

 

[……forgetit]

Is there a third party team that doesn't aim for parity? That doesn't mean it will end up that way.

 

[benny_a]

Is there a third party team that doesn't aim for parity? That doesn't mean it will end up that way.

BioWare recently said that Dragon Age Inquisition will try to get as much out of every platform as possible.

That statement was well received by most.

 

[bishoptl]

And MS didn't flip because of a boycott, they flipped because everyone lost their shit. It was a PR nightmare.

What do you think a boycott entails? The entire point is to engender a public relations crisis in order to force change and hurt the corporate bottom line.

BioWare recently said that Dragon Age Inquisition will try to get as much out of every platform as possible.

That statement was well received by most.

Funny how that works.

 

[djshauny]

....

 

[HocusPocus]

So looking forward to this game regardless of the resolution, but hoping for 1080p on my Xbox one.

 

[martino]

is moneyhat the video game thing like god to explain reasons we don't or don't want to know ?

 

[Always-honest]

Would be great if the XboxOne version was 1080p too.

 

[Wollveren]

It's not out of the realm of possibility tho even if they have a marketing partnership with Sony. I mean MS doesn't have to throw bags of money to entice developers to make both versions the same. It could be as simple as lowering the licensing agreement for said game. Or if both versions are similar and the X1 version sells a certain amount, then they could be given a refund on the licensing agreement. But it's just speculation based on reputation and this is the stigma on MS as a corporation since it's inception.

Omfg not this again, what reputation? Was I under a rock or something when MS decided to throw bags of money at companies to undermine their competitors or something?

Where did MS pay another game to gimp the PS4's graphics? WHAT IS THIS REPUTATION PEOPLE :S Show me the proof of this, if it's so obvious SHOW ME THE RECEIPTS!!

(first time I used this gif so sorry if used it in the wrong context).

 

[HighResTomato]

If it really does "aim for parity", that's another game off my list. No skin off my back devs. Keep diggin'.

I bet that 1 less copy sold will sink them into bankruptcy.

 

[Wollveren]

What do you think a boycott entails? The entire point is to engender a public relations crisis in order to force change and hurt the corporate bottom line.

How exactly does one boycott a product which isn't out, honestly just curious not trying to make a point :S

 

[Impeccable]

I bet that 1 less copy sold will sink them into bankruptcy.

That is how it works, clearly.

 

[pixlexic]

is moneyhat the video game thing like god to explain reasons we don't or don't want to know ?

Yes.. and I'm not sure why it gets such a free pass here.

 

[Spring-Loaded]

This is probably true, but it was said in passing during the recent Rocksteady Arkham Asylum stream in response to someone in the stream chat. They also said that they don't know what resolution/framerate the game will run at yet since they're still months from release. Don't know how reliable an off-the-cuff answer in a livestream is half-a-year from release.

Any other WB games mention parity yet?

 

[shandy706]

So awesome!

Sorry PC gamers, you're stuck with whatever Xbone can handle too!

That's not how it works.

You can have the same graphics settings (Shadows/lighting/reflections/etc.) across the board....and still have multiple other options that the consoles don't have.

"Graphics Parity" &#8800; Resolution, framerate, or AA parity.



The only place I might complain about is if they don't have the highest texture quality available. (or a future "hi-res" pack).

You can have "graphics parity" and not have performance/IQ parity.