Batman: Arkham Knight Aiming for identical Res/Framerate Across Xbox One and PS4
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Raven Prime
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Possibly, and the game should. But we'll have to wait and see.
N30RYU
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Honestly, if I had to guess, marketing's trying to appease both ps4 and x1 owners.
And I don't know if it's that recent either, last generation you had publishers and developers like bethesda for example, who kept saying until the very last minute how both versions were the same (aka parity) and we ended up with Skyrim situations.
Just a new spin, I'd say
No, just PR bullshit to piss PS4 users.
If they want to please both platfoem owners they woyld say that thwy will optimize thw game on each pkatform, kinect, smartglass and so... Parity is just a bullshit word to say that they will hold the PS4 version back to look like the inferior version.
Fuck them
One sale less
lonedigitalwolf
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Killer post my man.
CyberPunked
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Raven Prime
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I'm not sure either, I'm just thinking out loud. It wouldn't surprise me however. Whatever is going on, it's weird. And as a gamer I just want the best experience on my system it can offer, not a game that is held back, for whatever reason.
No problem I understand. I myself only buy a handful of games a year too. Arkham Knight is a guaranteed purchase though simply because of Rocksteady's track record. They're one of the few small dev studios that manage to bring us AAA-level experiences which is really impressive. I'm just disappointed that there's "boycott" and "#paritynobuy" being thrown around this early.
Raven Prime
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Just as disappointed as you are about parity being thrown around this early, I take it?
They are only small if you compare them to Ubisoft or Blizzard or something. 150 employees is quite a handful.
LOL that's a negative?
Look. Anyone who thinks that microsoft has something to do with this "parity" crap, ESPECIALLY when it has to do with a game that has a playstation marketing deal, is an idiot. Plain and simple. Call of duty, a series that has had a huge xbox push for an incredibly long time, still had a resolution difference. Come on guys.
Pathfinder
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We all want the best experience, but the reality is things like budget and time constraints also have a hand in development and need to be taken into consideration.
Sometimes there just aren't resources available. It doesn't mean the developer is lazy, and it doesn't mean parity is being bought. Going with a baseline is the easy way to solve the problem of limited resources, though it doesn't always make the consumer happy.
That would include me but it shit for our console brethren who have to contend with parity.PC gamers in this thread
I don't own an Xbox One or PS4. Hopefully one of them in future. Not sure which.
Understandable, even commendable, but you can't think that further investigation isn't warranted... even expected right? I mean there is a reason why police suspect repeat offenders when there is crime.
Microsoft is a repeat and habitual offender in this regard. Hell I remember for a few years they just paid the MASSIVE fines in the EU and kept doing what they were fined for.... I forget what it was though. This is standard operating procedure for microsoft. They are the walmart of the software world.
Do you not agree that if resources are so scarce that these sorts of consideration need to be made that the PS4 would be the one to spend the most resources on given the install base and software sales in 2014?
I personally wouldn't argue that they should prioritize that way, but if they have to prioritize then it would sense to me that they would spend the most time on the platform where most people buy those types of games on.
I don't understand. Can you rephrase that? You mean you're disappointed as well?
Right but how many devs can you name that are on the AAA level with ~150 employees? I might be wrong on this but there aren't much.
Brutuspedia
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this parity bullshit will stop when Sony first party games lanch.
Uncharted, God Of War, will look so much better than anything from Rocksteady or Ubisoft that they will be forced to level up their game.
For now, there are no reference on what PS4 can do.
Uncharted, God Of War, will look so much better than anything from Rocksteady or Ubisoft that they will be forced to level up their game.
For now, there are no reference on what PS4 can do.
So because the Xbox has not sold as much as the PS4, it warrants less attention and importance? That's better than getting both games to a similar enough baseline?
AAA means importance to a publisher and is best judged by relative marketing spends. Before I compile that list, is that what you mean?
I've bolded the part that is relevant to your objection.
I think it is the logical conclusion if you're so strapped for resources that you do for the ones that buys the most.
Recent showings with CoD AW, Evolve Alpha and Destiny portrays that the 40% additional GPU processing power does not correspond to an equal gain in performance. This means that the PS4 is only somewhat more powerful than Xbone IRL (dev. software may also contribute to this). As such, I'd rather have Rocksteady attain parity and ensure stable performance on PS4 and avoid debates n' stuff simultaneously.
Pathfinder
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Investigation is fine, though would be very difficult to do as business deals are often sealed. That's why I said I think the only way the public is going to get the answer on parity that they're looking for would require a smoking gun. Microsoft needs to be caught with their hands in the cookie jar if we are ever to get a concrete answer. Otherwise it's just speculation based on past behaviors.
Zombie James
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Haha, good one.
ninjablade
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infamous: SS and killzone are way ahead of anything on ps4 when it comes to graphics.
The objection was not aimed at you directly but rather the idea that it makes any sort of sense to do that.
That list seems rather cherry picked. Are you sure you're actually making an argument informed by recent showings?
I didn't know about it.
Yep, which is what I wished TEW was dipped in.
Sure. I was determining AAA by sales/popularity but that definition is more likely correct.
Brutuspedia
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yes, but I think they were kinda of rushed.
SS is beautiful, but city gets empty sometimes, and it didn't reach 1080p@60fps, its 45fps most of time. BUT First Light runs on a updated version of the engine, with ~50fps.
Killzone has that resolution problem on the multiplayer, its tricky, not native.
I believe God Of War and Uncharted 4, due the linear level design, will deliver 1080p@60fps.
Mass Effect
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PC isn't affected, thankfully.
Wow, didn't catch this. Definitely glad I'm getting this on PC now.
PC gamers in this thread
haha, yep.
You're not aware of i-Lo's schtick by now?
Pathfinder
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This is a hard question for me to answer as I've never been directly involved with the logistics of game development before, outside of a QA environment.
The install base and software sales do favor PS4 at the moment, but that has potential to shift, even just a little. I don't feel it would behoove a game developer to intentionally side with one or the other, because of how the market can change.
If a developer sides too heavily with PS4, it could potentially ruin their reputation with Xbox One gamers, and vice-versa. Even though both consoles aren't equal in specs, it shouldn't be the multiplatform developers that bear the responsibility of making sure each console performs as well as it possibly can. They're in the middle of a war they didn't start, and have little involvement in.
That responsibility should belong to the first-party devs who make the exclusives for either platform.
Raven Prime
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Well since they are implementing exclusive Nvidia features on PC, that doesn't seem to be the case. And in the other case, a game coming from Ubisoft? There is simply no excuse.
Of course I'm disappointed about this parity bullcrap, but I meant your earlier comment about being disappointed about mention of boycott and #paritynobuy
I'm asking if you are just as disappointed about them aiming for parity, instead of optimizing the game for each respective system.
Stallion Dan
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WIth such an attitude why did anyone upgrade to HD TVs or move on from the NES. People buy new electronics to get what they already getting but better. Except here we're basically being told our new electronics are going to be used as well as they could.
'Just buy it on PC' - Because it more powerful? Same applies to PS4.
M3Freak
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Well, from the sales team point of view, they can either sell into 68% of the market (PS4), 100% of the market (PS4 + X1) or 85% (arbitrary BS number based on 68% PS4 and smaller amount of X1 market because some X1 ppl balk at buying the lesser version).
I mean, we see people here outright asking "which version should I get?" all of the time. The answer is many times "well, it's better on the BLAH".
I'm no expert. This is all speculation. But, based on the tiny bit I know, this HAS to be true. HAS TO BE.
cripterion
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Hmmm, isn't Knack first party?
ProvenDeadly
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If you are a loyal fan and this sways you, then I question how much of a "fan you were". PS4 will undoubtedly hit 1080p if possible.
FranXico
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While I agree with the sentiment concerning Microsoft's long history of underhanded tactics in competition, I have to point out that there is absolutely nothing wrong with providing Blizzard support to improve the performance of the XB1 version of Diablo 3. That's their prerrogative, and the PS4 version did not suffer either (in fact, a framerate bug was patched for that version on day one).
I already expect the PC version will be gimped anyways outside the flair of nvidia extras. Like Watch dogs for example.PC gamers in this thread
Or just maybe.....just maybe
Developer spend less time optimizing the PS4 version of their game and spend more time getting the xbox one version on par to the ps4. Seems they are catering to the weakest console
And I'm saying if we take the they are so strapped for resources argument to its ultimate conclusion then it would be better to side with the PS4.
Again: I don't think they should do it. I'm just saying if we have accept your premise that they have to make these hard cuts, then it makes most sense to allocate in the direction that favors the one with the bigger install base and the better software sales.
It's hard to find anything that fits directly to ~150 because either studios are smaller and then you could argue that they aren't AAA.
Monolith from the same publisher has more than 100 employees. Sucker Punch had 120 at their Second Son peak. Bethesda Games Studio is not extremely far off comparatively. Sledgehammer Games is 75 more people, but also gets way bigger marketing push.
Then you get into the individual Nintendo teams that achieve more for less but get AAA marketing support from Nintendo.
All in all I think Rocksteady has a nice size, but I disagree with calling them 'small'.
Zombie James
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If Xbox One owners didn't want to get lesser versions of games then they wouldn't have gotten an Xbox One. Like I said earlier, both MS and Xbone owners made their bed on this issue. Everyone knew the technical differences between both consoles months before they went on sale. I don't understand why this coddling mentality is suddenly a thing this generation when it's never been an issue before.
WarMacheen
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Well, another game to skip.
Thats pretty good.
Honestly though nothing about AK is making me think it won't be 1080 on both XBONE and PS4. The world is pretty, buts its as empty as a cardboard box.
Nothing in there is draining away resources like AC Unity and its crowds (as unnecessary as they are)
I'm in the minority who wishes these games kept the AA mentality of a wide linear but excellently paced game.
AC and AO are bloated, poorly paced, and have really lame side missions.
Pathfinder
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You're right, that would make the most sense from a business perspective.
Though I get the feeling that more and more developers don't want to take sides. And I don't blame them.
I own a High end PC, and now i am going to buy another GTX 980 on black friday(if i get a good deal, otherwise i wait two months) here in brazil, i also own a PS4, by no means i will get ANY console version of a Multiplataform, mainly because PC games range from 32 dolars to 41 here in brazil, and console games are at LEAST 80 dolars, but i feel for any PS4 user, parity NEEDS TO DIE.
Doctor_Thomas
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If "parity" results in sub-1080p resolution and what not, I will also use parity in my purchase decisions. I am not buying AssCreedU and, thus, for the sake of parity, will not buy this either.
Would you have skipped the game if the Xbone version had exclusive content? Let's say an hour of exclusive content.
Yeah. Fans should just accept whatever bullshit developer/publisher throw their way.
Fan should expect the best product possible. If developer/publisher can't deliver that because of parity then fans have all right to be upset