To me it e-sports just seems incredibly sterile. The hype is mildly there, but....eh.
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To me it e-sports just seems incredibly sterile. The hype is mildly there, but....eh.
QisTopTier
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That machine was forever tainted with TouchMyWang being the top player
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
No they just call it a sport because it's physical
No they don't. They call it a sport because they want the respect of their actual sport-playing dads.
ThatCrazyGuy
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I've had nothing but good experiences coming up with the Soul calibur community. Meets ups were always nice and people were cool in person and talking about the game. Even street fighter 4 was fine, to me.
Even back in the arcade days, there were thuggish ruggish memories of things happening, but it was mostly good, competitive, fun times.
Maybe SoCal is more laid back, idk.
Even back in the arcade days, there were thuggish ruggish memories of things happening, but it was mostly good, competitive, fun times.
Maybe SoCal is more laid back, idk.
QisTopTier
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Fuck why the hell did I actually reply to you
ViewtifulJC
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why did you reply to this Q
10/10
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
I was in a good mood
He's actually not that wrong. Watch the Real Sports segment on League of Legends. There's a lot of underlying feelings of wanting approval from their parents.
This is definitely showing up in one of the MTG tournament groups, whose current content manager has pushed them to emulate ESPN/Sports Broadcasting to a ridiculous degree. Suits are a bad look - they're not about fun, they're about projecting an image of "professionalism" to people.
It took winning a trip to Amsterdam for the PT for it to click for my dad what I was doing all these tournaments for.
Oh we're talking eSports again?
As soon as they can think of a proper way to monetize it (which in terms of stream time isn't that difficult because the FGC is godlike at promoting shit, but the issue lies in what products/corporations will get a good RoI from marketing to this demographic), it will blow up (and perhaps even when it gets enough momentum, the sponsors will be coming to them instead of the other way around). Local and big TOs have been fighting a long time for this, with Jebailey (at least seemingly) getting some of the bigger pick ups.
Capcom is making really good headway too IMO, and they know that the models that work for MOBA/FPS/RTS games don't fundamentally work the same in fighting games, and the structure of events/leagues should reflect that. Part of that is how fucking sterile traditional eSports streams are when you use the FGC as a frame of reference. Fighting games are all about beating your opponents face in and humiliating them mentally in close proximity (not just physically, but even in the game). The tension that produces needs to be elicited in presentation and could be lucrative too IMO. Perhaps boxing or MMA is a better style of presentation and structure to learn from than even other video games.
Lastly.. we need a new big game. This is crucial, and it's not really looking good because all of the major franchises are reluctant to adopt game design/formats that is more accessible in an age of gaming where games have lower barriers to entry (financially and otherwise). Don't think for a minute that the lower barrier to entry isn't responsible for how much MOBAs have exploded vs. RTSs and FPS. Along with genre stigma, this is the biggest reason I feel is preventing eSports from "happening."
As soon as they can think of a proper way to monetize it (which in terms of stream time isn't that difficult because the FGC is godlike at promoting shit, but the issue lies in what products/corporations will get a good RoI from marketing to this demographic), it will blow up (and perhaps even when it gets enough momentum, the sponsors will be coming to them instead of the other way around). Local and big TOs have been fighting a long time for this, with Jebailey (at least seemingly) getting some of the bigger pick ups.
Capcom is making really good headway too IMO, and they know that the models that work for MOBA/FPS/RTS games don't fundamentally work the same in fighting games, and the structure of events/leagues should reflect that. Part of that is how fucking sterile traditional eSports streams are when you use the FGC as a frame of reference. Fighting games are all about beating your opponents face in and humiliating them mentally in close proximity (not just physically, but even in the game). The tension that produces needs to be elicited in presentation and could be lucrative too IMO. Perhaps boxing or MMA is a better style of presentation and structure to learn from than even other video games.
Lastly.. we need a new big game. This is crucial, and it's not really looking good because all of the major franchises are reluctant to adopt game design/formats that is more accessible in an age of gaming where games have lower barriers to entry (financially and otherwise). Don't think for a minute that the lower barrier to entry isn't responsible for how much MOBAs have exploded vs. RTSs and FPS. Along with genre stigma, this is the biggest reason I feel is preventing eSports from "happening."
Why would he. Plus what's done is done. I'm just not surprised by what happened because of past history.
As for eSports, the problem I had in the past is when entities would use the term eSports as a way to gain legitimacy before they had it as they tried to compare themselves to traditional physical sports or emulate what ESPN is doing while their business failed to make a profit and go under.
The term is still stupid but it's really about how things are being done by whom because you have entities who are doing things the right way, while others are going about things the wrong way or try to force their way on people which make them apprehensive towards eSports.
Either the game you're playing is full of dicks or people are treating you the way you want to be treated.
UFC/MMA/WWE is definitely the better frame of reference- it's what the genre was modeled after and it's what the type of energy from the players/crowds best represents. UFC might be super-overexposed right now, but they've managed to preserve a lot of what works culturally while still maintaining corporate branding and promotion.
BumblebeeCody
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Related unrelated:
Google: Mr Wizard Context. I didn't expect this.
I think this another perfect example of Eventhubs being very inconsiderate to the entire online community. They did this with the Marvel save exploit. I have nothing against Eventhubs and 'try' to remain neutral but I can't respect a website that knows of the severe implications this poses to the online players but will still post an article so long as they get the clicks.
In the words of Dudley: You have no dignity
#GamerGate #EthicsInGamesJournalism #SeriouslyPoongko,PutYourBloodyDamnShirtOn
Was.
Lostconfused
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Rise of Incarnates is almost there except its actually a super small game and doesn't seem to have the right hooks in terms of presentation for the western market.
I say this because EXVS is extremely accessible at a low/mid level and they are shooting for the F2P model. Unfortunately nothing about that game makes it look like it will amount to anything meaningful.
Slamtastic
Member
As someone who views most tournament streams muted, the guys in suits atmosphere of the MLG fighting events was fantastic.
Too bad about the ads though.
Too bad about the ads though.
VanillaCakeIsBurning
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23 days till Xrd.
I still need to pre-order the NA version too.
I still need to pre-order the NA version too.
Meanwhile in Japan http://youtu.be/bDS0_XszNDo?t=19m2s
ThatCrazyGuy
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The MLG events needs like actual producers, to cut down on the downtime and keep it moving, like a sports broadcast has a producer. Or if they have one, they need to do a better job.
i'd say that right now the fgc is closest to the ufc in terms of presentation and hopeully e-sports would present the fgc the same way pride did with the fighter intros and generally much higher production values.
I jumped that wagon a couple of weeks ago, do so so you can get it!
how do you determine atmosphere without sound
audio is 50% of the audiovisual experience, dude
BumblebeeCody
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Holy shiiit damn!
Even if you're not into Mortal Kombat X, the intro cutscene is effing incredible! Only 480p at the moment but yeah. Looks awesome.
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Haha oh wow. Now that's a worm set up.
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I just ordered from Best Buy to get the GCU discount. Hopefully it will arrive on release day
When it fits their personality like D1 or Prog but seeing Rynge rock a tie is just cringe worthy. Or when they actually look good in it. I honestly prefer a more professional appearance but whatever they rock is fine as long as they aren't shirtless.
Slamtastic
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Obviously I mean I mute after hearing the "hype", memes, and mic blowouts, not immediately.
And obviously I don't mean 100% of streams.
I'll listen to UltraChen, for example.
And obviously I don't mean 100% of streams.
I'll listen to UltraChen, for example.
Guess I've been proven wrong :V
I also remember being taken to Korean Brood War circuits and experiencing stuff like this. I think it was 70% commentator hype that got the crowd worked up tho
ShaperofStories
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For every person asked why they don't want "esports" in their FGC, I've seen almost just as many different answers.
I'm not saying that these opinions are invalid, but for all of the discussion on the matter being done, things still seems a bit muddled and I'm still not sure why esports is a bad idea for the FGC.
I'm not saying that these opinions are invalid, but for all of the discussion on the matter being done, things still seems a bit muddled and I'm still not sure why esports is a bad idea for the FGC.
CountBlack
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Many different answers? I don't mean to be rude but the majority of us came to an agreement that eSports would tamper with grass root tournaments in which the FGC lives off of.
BumblebeeCody
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Exr
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Yeah I think there's something to this honestly. The way some casters and companies emulate the styles of sports coverage has me wondering. Itd be nice if we called it something else.
That's perhaps you not being into the games that are being competed in. I also imagine it's harder to appreciate or care about the stakes in those games, without some level of familiarity, than it is for laymen with fighting games (or it could just that I'm already steeped in fighting games). But like, I play some of those games casually and I can still appreciate the fierceness of competition without yet fully understanding the strategies employed. Of the Dota competitions I've watched, the players were playing out of their minds and I couldn't not empathize because they (and the crowd) were emoting so much, lol. The hype is there, and it's for a lot of people. Just that it's not for the games you and I are interested in maybe
ShaperofStories
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No, not rude at all.
It's just that I must have missed this agreement to which you're referring, not to mention the specific ways in which esports would tamper with the grass roots tourney scene.
Once again, I'm not saying anyone's wrong here. I'm saying that I apparently don't know much about the subject, despite how often it's discussed and how often I listen, and I wish there was a simple listing of the prevalent pros and cons to the argument that I could check out.
CountBlack
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Damn, Gamerbee got a $1200 donation on his stream to go to Dreamhack.
All of that money just to get 2nd place.
All of that money just to get 2nd place.
Professor Beef
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Well it's a good thing you like fighters because there sure as shit won't be any money coming in, which is what others want.
Oh no I was really REALLY into Brood War. I was definitely part of the "Koreans are obsessed over Starcraft" stereotype. I remember skipping school just to head to pc bangs to play and spending a lot of my time writing down strategies. It was a hype time for me, those pc bang tournaments were HYPE AS FUCK. It was more or less similar to what I see on fighting game streams. I've played League for a year and I have absolutely zero hype for it. DotA2 is another story, where everyone has these hilariously strong abilities and meld together and form this giant storm of murder. I've never really played it, but I can appreciate it for what it is :V
Also by sterile I mean it's...a bit too clean? I don't know how to describe it
That would be a good list to have.
Its all about having fun at the end of the day.