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Legend of Korra Book 4: Balance |OT| A Feast of Crows

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Hamlet sent me an HD version of his picture. I just did this, and I think it came out better than my original avatar for him:

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Has less outlines.

Bonus, here is tool master Bataar:

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Doubt anyone would use it. Maybe it would be a good avatar bet loss one to use.
 
CDiggity said:
Of course we do. The camps could be them force feeding prisoners Kuvira-shaped cookies. The camps could implement tickle torture for all we know. They could be stripping the Zaofu domes to create Kuviraland, an expansion of the camps, as the world's greatest amusement park/indoctrination center.
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I think, I found some exclusive footage of the camps (it might even be familiar to you)
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(it's nice how the colors actually match)

I was also thinking of adding something VC-related to my Avatar.
It turned out this way:
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but I'm not sure if I like it ;-)
 
Trey said:
Why is bataar such a fucking chump?
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I know right? He has such a punchable face too. Like he's all trying to be super evil, even more than Kuvira. And even she cringes at how he goes about it. Dude is a mega tool.

Don_Tombery said:
I think, I found some exclusive footage of the camps (it might even be familiar to you)
(it's nice how the colors actually match)

I was also thinking of adding something VC-related to my Avatar.
It turned out this way:
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but I'm not sure if I like it ;-)
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I think both look cool. Your avatar is awesome either way. :) I would suggest maybe making the patch on the side darker. So open it up in PS and turn the brightness down (so it matches closer to the darker shadow on the hood). Don't make it too dark. Just a little bit darker so maybe it blends in more. That would be my suggestion.

EDIT: It's actually kind of dark. So maybe just a little bit.
 
Azula said:
I think both look cool. Your avatar is awesome either way. :) I would suggest maybe making the patch on the side darker. So open it up in PS and turn the brightness down (so it matches closer to the darker shadow on the hood). Don't make it too dark. Just a little bit darker so maybe it blends in more. That would be my suggestion.

EDIT: It's actually kind of dark. So maybe just a little bit.
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Thanks for the suggestion and I'll go with this result for now. (I also played with the contrast for the Squad7-Patch a little to let it blend in more)
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And Bataar jr. sleeps in the tub, isn't this obvious.
 
Don_Tombery said:
Thanks for the suggestion and I'll go with this result for now. (I also played with the contrast for the Squad7-Patch a little to let it blend in more)
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And Bataar jr. sleeps in the tub, isn't this obvious.
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Looks better IMO. Good job. I like you Avatar more now. It's awesome.
 
I wish they had developed a character like Tahno (who by contrast had a really good voice) over toolbags like Kai, Wu, Bataar, Su's entire effing family, and all these other randomers.
 
m_shortpants said:
I wish they had developed a character like Tahno (who by contrast had a really good voice) over toolbags like Kai, Wu, Bataar, Su's entire effing family, and all these other randomers.
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Did they ever say if Korra gave him his bending back? You'd think she'd have given it back to everyone who lost it, but in Book 2 poor old Shady Shin was still equalised. Maybe only nice people got it back.
 
RedShift said:
Did they ever say if Korra gave him his bending back? You'd think she'd have given it back to everyone who lost it, but in Book 2 poor old Shady Shin was still equalised. Maybe only nice people got it back.
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Dude probably killed himself right after the episode ended. That was not the look of a man that wanted to continue going on. Right off the cliff and into the ocean he went.
 
Admiral Woofington said:
I genuinely hope Kuvira was only using him. I don't care for their relationship and she hasn't shown any sign of actually loving him.
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She was, and part of him knows it. It's why he's so uptight. That's not the demeanor of a person happy in love, that's the demeanor of someone trying to prove a point, the point being that he and Kuvira are an actual couple. If others believe it then he'll start believing it too. That and he wants to win her over by showing how on board he is, and he's blind to the realization that there's nothing to win over.
 
JadedWriter said:
Dude probably killed himself right after the episode ended. That was not the look of a man that wanted to continue going on. Right off the cliff and into the ocean he went.
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Dude was so hardcore. Fuckin emo/hardcore. He was listening to the smiths when he threw himself off a cliff.
 
Zaheer was definitely not as good as Kuvira. His ideology/motivation made no sense. "We want things to be chaotic just because" is a pile of nonsense. I mean, that's not what real anarchists, who I assume Zaheer is loosely based on actually want. Most want the abolition of the state to allow the formation of communes and communitarian forms of life, or in the case of anarcho-libertarians, freeholder communities. Zaheer didn't show any real motive to do this, he literally just wanted to fuck shit up. Even if he did, the way he was going to go about it was fairly useless. Just killing the Earth Queen was a terrible way of doing it - a) because at the time of death, she had a fair old number of sympathizers, and b) because it meant the 'chaos' was clearly not sustainable - it didn't need Korra to take out those four, any sufficiently large force could do it - they are only four people. A more sensible route would have been to whip one particular city up into a furore, do away with the local lords/magnates, then try deposing the hierarchy in other cities by force: sort of analogous to the Paris Commune's plans. at least Kuvira and Amon's plans made sense, Zaheer was just an excuse to sound deep and meaningful without any actual backing to it.
 
Bataar is this raging asshole for what reason? Can we see why he has this chip on his shoulder; why he wants to destroy his mother and father so much?

His fuckery is getting so much screen time for what reason? He could not exist and the season would lose nothing. It's annoying.
 
Trey said:
Bataar is this raging asshole for what reason? Can we see why he has this chip on his shoulder; why he wants to destroy his mother and father so much?

His fuckery is getting so much screen time for what reason? He could not exist and the season would lose nothing. It's annoying.
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But who will growl like a Scooby Doo villain during combat?
 
Trey said:
Bataar is this raging asshole for what reason? Can we see why he has this chip on his shoulder; why he wants to destroy his mother and father so much?

His fuckery is getting so much screen time for what reason? He could not exist and the season would lose nothing. It's annoying.
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These are the avatar writers. Chances are he's only doing all of this because he was overlooked by his more talented siblings and as the eldest [?] didn't get enough recognition or respect. aka petty reasons.
 
Trey said:
Bataar is this raging asshole for what reason? Can we see why he has this chip on his shoulder; why he wants to destroy his mother and father so much?
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Didn't you get the memo? Every season must have at least one character with parent problems. No exceptions. It's all about meeting a quota.
 
man korra is weak as shit. shes such a lame avatar man. :/ i hope if we do get another avatar show(hopefully sooner rather than later) (s)he won't be shit like korra. also Bataar is such a brat. if I was his pops I would've told him that I officially disown him instead of saying disappointed just to rile up his jimmies even more.
 
Crab said:
Zaheer was definitely not as good as Kuvira. His ideology/motivation made no sense. "We want things to be chaotic just because" is a pile of nonsense. I mean, that's not what real anarchists, who I assume Zaheer is loosely based on actually want. Most want the abolition of the state to allow the formation of communes and communitarian forms of life, or in the case of anarcho-libertarians, freeholder communities. Zaheer didn't show any real motive to do this, he literally just wanted to fuck shit up. Even if he did, the way he was going to go about it was fairly useless. Just killing the Earth Queen was a terrible way of doing it - a) because at the time of death, she had a fair old number of sympathizers, and b) because it meant the 'chaos' was clearly not sustainable - it didn't need Korra to take out those four, any sufficiently large force could do it - they are only four people. A more sensible route would have been to whip one particular city up into a furore, do away with the local lords/magnates, then try deposing the hierarchy in other cities by force: sort of analogous to the Paris Commune's plans. at least Kuvira and Amon's plans made sense, Zaheer was just an excuse to sound deep and meaningful without any actual backing to it.
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I disagree. I mean, we could argue that Zaheer's ideology makes no sense (on a philosophical level). But in terms of him having this belief, and being motivated to push for it, I found him much more compelling than Kuvira. On paper, I agree that what Kuvira is trying to push...should be more compelling. Because even if we view her ideas as wrong, it's a bit complex given the political climate of the region, and what the opposing ideas (or lack of) are. And where I agree with you, is that what she's doing (even if you do see it as wrong), makes more sense than Zaheer's plans (although I kind of think that was the point, the contradiction to the Chaos philosophy. That things must die or be burned, in order to be re-born. That complete and true freedom, also means pain and suffering).

Problem is, Kuvira isn't actually interested in any of what she's doing. She's kind of a fraud like Amon is. All she really wants is power. That's her sole motivation. In that sense, I think Kuvira's potential and what she wants, is kind of squandered. Whereas while Zaheer's chaos philosophy was flawed, that character had a lot more going behind his actions than him thinking about himself.

The problem with Zaheer was that, they didn't flesh him out enough. We didn't see HOW he came to believe these philosophies. We didn't get to explore these world views enough. So it was all surface level. But I still found Zaheer and what he was pushing for (at least as of now), to be much more interesting than Kuvira. Kuvira as she stands now, is just another typical power hungry villain. All the other stuff (the political ideas, or what she wants for the region) is kind of surface level BS that doesn't really matter, or actually mean anything to her.

Maybe that will change. Maybe we will learn more about Kuvira. Or get a different view on her actions. But I'm not holding my breath. It's still too early to compare I guess. But I still think Zaheer + his Z team were also a lot more entertaining than Kuvira. The actual surface level entertainment of their fight sequences were really awesome. The jail break scenes. The epic fights between them. Kuvira could totally be that in the second half of the season (epic fight scenes, and a menacing presence). But eh. I'm still discouraged that Kuvira got beat down and finished by a single gust of Avatar state wind lol. Zaheer was portrayed as being a skilled fighter, but also a very flawed bender. So they showed him stumbling and faltering during fights. But they also made sure too show how cunning he could be, and how he would use other strategies to his advantage. Even his smaller scale fights were a lot more fun/interesting.

It's not fair to compare, but lool Zaheer vs. Tenzin compared to Kuvira vs Korra is lol. That said, not fair. Because Kuvira could still have some great fights towards the back half of the season. I hope Kuvira at least becomes that.
 
We won't be getting another Avatar series. You could always read some fanfics.

Oh man what are the chances there's a Mary Sue/Gary Stu fanfic in the avatar universe?

Character: Jenna Fire

Biography: Born to a rogue air bender who escaped his culture and a water bender who practiced blood bending. She was trained by her father to be the ultimate air bending human weapon, and due to her mother's blood she can do blood bending without needing a full moon. Her parents were killed when she was 10, but luckily a dragon a sky bison a badger mole and the moon itself adopted her together and taught her about every bending. Now she can metal bend, lava bend, blood blend, steam bend.

Weaknesses: Jenna can only bend two elements at a time, so she has to switch elements every day by meditating. She also has like a scar on her upper ear from the time she killed the true form of Lord Ozai after that bitch ass Aang only beat his fake form. She knows so much bending she's not as good as an expert at it.

Love Interests: Ever since she appeared every living character wants to fuck her. But Jenna's true passion lies in fighting the anti-avatar every day in space.
 
Azula said:
I disagree. I mean, we could argue that Zaheer's ideology makes no sense (on a philosophical level). But in terms of him having this belief, and being motivated to push for it, I found him much more compelling than Kuvira. On paper, I agree that what Kuvira is trying to push...should be more compelling. Because even if we view her ideas as wrong, it's a bit complex given the political climate of the region, and what the opposing ideas (or lack of) are. And where I agree with you, is that what she's doing (even if you do see it as wrong), makes more sense than Zaheer's plans (although I kind of think that was the point, the contradiction to the Chaos philosophy. That things must die or be burned, in order to be re-born. That complete and true freedom, also means pain and suffering).

Problem is, Kuvira isn't actually interested in any of what she's doing. She's kind of a fraud like Amon is. All she really wants is power. That's her sole motivation. In that sense, I think Kuvira's potential and what she wants, is kind of squandered. Whereas while Zaheer's chaos philosophy was flawed, that character had a lot more going behind his actions than him thinking about himself.

The problem with Zaheer was that, they didn't flesh him out enough. We didn't see HOW he came to believe these philosophies. We didn't get to explore these world views enough. So it was all surface level. But I still found Zaheer and what he was pushing for (at least as of now), to be much more interesting than Kuvira. Kuvira as she stands now, is just another typical power hungry villain. All the other stuff (the political ideas, or what she wants for the region) is kind of surface level BS that doesn't really matter, or actually mean anything to her.

Maybe that will change. Maybe we will learn more about Kuvira. Or get a different view on her actions. But I'm not holding my breath. It's still too early to compare I guess. But I still think Zaheer + his Z team were also a lot more entertaining than Kuvira. The actual surface level entertainment of their fight sequences were really awesome. The jail break scenes. The epic fights between them. Kuvira could totally be that in the second half of the season (epic fight scenes, and a menacing presence). But eh. I'm still discouraged that Kuvira got beat down and finished by a single gust of Avatar state wind lol. Zaheer was portrayed as being a skilled fighter, but also a very flawed bender. So they showed him stumbling and faltering during fights. But they also made sure too show how cunning he could be, and how he would use other strategies to his advantage. Even his smaller scale fights were a lot more fun/interesting.

It's not fair to compare, but lool Zaheer vs. Tenzin compared to Kuvira vs Korra is lol. That said, not fair. Because Kuvira could still have some great fights towards the back half of the season. I hope Kuvira at least becomes that.
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right?! imo the villians for the first 2 seasons were good, i understood their goals and in a twisted way they weren't wrong. but zaheer and kuvira? generic villains if you ask me.
 
Hero Prinny said:
man korra is weak as shit. shes such a lame avatar man. :/ i hope if we do get another avatar show(hopefully sooner rather than later) (s)he won't be shit like korra. also Bataar is such a brat. if I was his pops I would've told him that I officially disown him instead of saying disappointed just to rile up his jimmies even more.
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His dad should've bitch smacked him in front of Kuvira and take back his name. "You are no longer 'Bataar' now!!"
 
Azula said:
I disagree. I mean, we could argue that Zaheer's ideology makes no sense (on a philosophical level). But in terms of him having this belief, and being motivated to push for it, I found him much more compelling than Kuvira.
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Why? He's driven, yes, but in the name of something that makes absolutely no sense. It's difficult to attribute any villanousness to him, he just seems like a moron. I can't really fear a guy who has the political awareness of an emo 12-year-old.

On paper, I agree that what Kuvira is trying to push...should be more compelling. Because even if we view her ideas as wrong, it's a bit complex given the political climate of the region, and what the opposing ideas (or lack of) are. And where I agree with you, is that what she's doing (even if you do see it as wrong), makes more sense than Zaheer's plans (although I kind of think that was the point, the contradiction to the Chaos philosophy. That things must die or be burned, in order to be re-born. That complete and true freedom, also means pain and suffering).
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That pain and suffering isn't there to arbitrary, though. it's not like any daoist philosophers went "I'm going to hit you now for no real reason, because you need pain to be reborn". The pain was either a part of penitence or understanding. Zaheer doesn't offer either of those. he's not a zealot trying to punish those who stray from the true path, or offering people a better life through the pain. it's literally just "imma fuck you up now".

Problem is, Kuvira isn't actually interested in any of what she's doing. She's kind of a fraud like Amon is. All she really wants is power. That's her sole motivation. In that sense, I think Kuvira's potential and what she wants, is kind of squandered. Whereas while Zaheer's chaos philosophy was flawed, that character had a lot more going behind his actions than him thinking about himself.

The problem with Zaheer was that, they didn't flesh him out enough. We didn't see HOW he came to believe these philosophies. We didn't get to explore these world views enough. So it was all surface level. But I still found Zaheer and what he was pushing for (at least as of now), to be much more interesting than Kuvira. Kuvira as she stands now, is just another typical power hungry villain. All the other stuff (the political ideas, or what she wants for the region) is kind of surface level BS that doesn't really matter, or actually mean anything to her.
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I mean, I find Kuvira better because she feels, uh, 'realer' than Zaheer. Sure, she's sort of generic, in that she just wants power. But, hey, that's not exactly uncommon. History is littered with figures who wanted power. I can understand the motive that drives her. History doesn't really have anyone who just wanted to spread chaos intrinsically because of chaos, and that's because it makes no sense. Zaheer is not a believable character in the slightest.

I agree re: the fight scenes, but they don't make up for the fact I suspect Zaheer listens to Linkin Park and tells people that he doesn't vote because republicans and democrats, they're both the same, fuck the system, maaaaan.
 
It's Bryke's fault, for trying to tackle another ideology/philosophy without wanting to give it proper depth. I don't agree with Zaheer's ideology, and I do find it flawed. But there is some interesting aspects to it, that I think really could have been talked about. I think, understanding Zaheer's point of view (even if you thought it was dumb), would have been better if we actually saw the things that he lived through, that shaped who he was. And shaped why he subscribed to the ideology, and really believed that it was the right way for the world, even if it had flaws and contradictions.

But they didn't. And so I can agree that it comes off as stupid/silly. But I still think Zaheer was someone that was motivated by something greater, something he really believed in. And that gave his actions drive/energy and conviction. That is something that Kuvira lacks. She just wants power, and so she just does what she does.

I dunno. Just how I feel. Again, on paper I think Kuviras actions make more sense. And there is a compelling discussion to be had with what she's proposing. But because Bryke won't touch that shit with a 10 ft pole, and they've decided to make Kuvira just an evil to be evil villain, all that kind of falls flat for me. The only way that Kuvira becomes better than Zaheer is if I. we find out besides being power hungry, she actually believes in her ideologies, and think it's the right way for the kingdom. II. She steps up her game, and ends up being a lot of fun to watch with her fights.
 
Zaheer wanted to create chaos because he believes that to be the natural order of the universe and better for people than any kind of system of government. He doesn't really say WHY he thinks that, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's an idiot. It just means we don't know why. There are plenty of real anarchists who also believe that having no governmental structure is something that would allow people to live more freely. I once talked to an anarchist who presented an argument for it (not a convincing one to my ears, but I don't know much about political theory, so *shrug*) so he could think something like that.

But there is no doubt that Zaheer is a shallow villain. Depth was alluded to, but Korra was never allowed to engage with him because he was aggressive towards her any time they met. I don't think Kurvira is better for just wanting power.
 
Azula said:
It's Bryke's fault, for trying to tackle another ideology/philosophy without wanting to give it proper depth. I don't agree with Zaheer's ideology, and I do find it flawed. But there is some interesting aspects to it, that I think really could have been talked about. I think, understanding Zaheer's point of view (even if you thought it was dumb), would have been better if we actually saw the things that he lived through, that shaped who he was. And shaped why he subscribed to the ideology, and really believed that it was the right way for the world, even if it had flaws and contradictions.

But they didn't. And so I can agree that it comes off as stupid/silly. But I still think Zaheer was someone that was motivated by something greater, something he really believed in. And that gave his actions drive/energy and conviction. That is something that Kuvira lacks. She just wants power, and so she just does what she does.

I dunno. Just how I feel. Again, on paper I think Kuviras actions make more sense. And there is a compelling discussion to be had with what she's proposing. But because Bryke won't touch that shit with a 10 ft pole, and they've decided to make Kuvira just an evil to be evil villain, all that kind of falls flat for me. The only way that Kuvira becomes better than Zaheer is if I. we find out besides being power hungry, she actually believes in her ideologies, and think it's the right way for the kingdom. II. She steps up her game, and ends up being a lot of fun to watch with her fights.
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To be fair, most extreme ideologies like anarchy, objectivism or fascism are not that "well thought out", which is why they don't last long except in times of desperation. That goes for real world examples.

Even if Zaheer and Kuvira's ideologies were well developed in the show (not sure if Kuvira has one, she's really just doing what she thinks is best, with a little power-hunger thrown in) they would still fail in the long run.

Not saying the current liberal, mixed-economy/capitalism society many countries in the West have is the one true solution, but it's currently going to make the most sense in both our current real lives and on tv shows.

EDIT: I like to elaborate on my comment about those ideologies not being "well though out," It's not that they don't have good arguments, but in the end, they loose our because of obvious flaws in them once applied to the real world that even regular folks could tell you it was bound to fail.
 
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