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[markedbravado]

Not gonna happen.

umm i think sony will win November. Not by much, but win nonetheless.

-GTA V will be the difference.

-AC Unity issues will dissuade some customers from buying that bundle (happens to be MS's cheapest on black friday).

-Most shoppers don't shop till black friday in November. That 3x sales increase is in relation to consumers who were waiting to purchase the One since the price cut was announced ahead of time.

-Sony is keeping their sony.com PS4 deal close to the vest. That should be concerning for MS. We all know what Sony can do when they plan ahead of schedule after their competitor shows their hand.

I give Sony a 60% chance of taking November.

 

[stryke]

I think you got the facts wrong, there were indies that had to seek out exclusivity clauses with Sony because of the parity clause:

Jonathon Blow talked about signing exclusivity as well -

http://the-witness.net/news/2013/02/a-clarification-about-our-ps4-exclusivity/

 

[Badlucktroll]

I would wait for Black Friday or Steam (if you have a capable PC.) deals.
Ryse isn't worth $20 used IMO, especially now that we're out of the launch phases.

Well i am a new Xbox One owner as of last week and i want to get the 3 main launch titles. Ryse, Dead Rising 3, and Forza 5.

 

[joecanada]

No, I just think people have different tolerances for this sort of thing. Most people here are going to turn there nose up at some bad frame drops, random crashes, long waits for MM or whatever but I really don't think this stuff bothers most people.

turn their nose up? at motion sickness / dizzy inducing stuttering frame rate drops, random crashes (the literal definition of broken) and long waits?
I don't think so, lol, did people "turn their nose up" at BF4 ? No, they slammed it and fled in droves. It went from my most played game ever (BF3) to a stain on my memory. even fixed now I'm completely soured on the experience, having sat on a game for months that didn't work at all.... BF3 I played till the day I bought 4, 4 I haven't touched since spring just when I logged in to test whether it worked or not... it did, but the experience was completely ruined and I wasn't interested in the game at all.
So much so that I just bought COD AW and am actually looking forward to it, just for the experience of enjoying a FPS, I mean there are no good FPS out there at all.... so weird this gen has started off strangely.

 

[TomShoe]

I would not call the Ps3 the loser of last generation. I say the Wii is the winner, and 360 & Ps3 tied. They're both sitting at around 80 million units sold. Sure the 360 sold a few million more, but what's a few million when we're talking tens of millions of consoles?

Last time I checked. PS3 was ahead.

 

[Dreamgazer]

Well i am a new Xbox One owner as of last week and i want to get the 3 main launch titles. Ryse, Dead Rising 3, and Forza 5.

Well, I would still tell you to wait till BF then.
There's no point to shell out 29.99 for a pre-owned copy of DR3 when somebody is likely to offer it at that price new.

 

[Birgitte2004]

not really, IMHO Quality > Quantity.
And when you look at some PS4 indie titles: http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-4/basement-crawl
I don't know man. I prefer less and higher Quality.

I can't wait for Cuphead and Ori and the blind forest.

You want Quality over Quantity?

How about this. The PS4 has 6 indie titles with a metascore equal to or higher than the Xbox One's highest.

 

[mrklaw]

not really, IMHO Quality > Quantity.
And when you look at some PS4 indie titles: http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-4/basement-crawl
I don't know man. I prefer less and higher Quality.

I can't wait for Cuphead and Ori and the blind forest.

So you're in favour of the platform holder restricting games unless they meet some internal quality metric that you aren't in control of?

I wouldn't mind, except that isn't exactly a model of self-publishing, which is what MS purports to have,but clearly doesn't in reality, due to the parity clause.

Let the market decide what deserves to be bought or not, not the platforms holders.


Edit: to your follow up post - yes, MS should drop the parity. As you say, they offer incentives which should be enough to persuade developers to support their platform. Maybe a devs first game might be a few weeks late on Xbox, but that is because MS were late getting their indie stuff set up compared to Sony and Nintendo. Offer devs a good set of tools and a good relationship and they'll support you. Carrot. Not stick.

 

[wachie]

Imagine Sony stock piling and then announcing a BF bundle with a price cut of ~$75. Will be enough I think.

FWIW, I think XB1 will win Nov (almost guaranteed) if Sony does nothing to counter. GTA V and the rest of the advantages are nice in theory but wont tilt the scale.

 

[cakely]

Well i am a new Xbox One owner as of last week and i want to get the 3 main launch titles. Ryse, Dead Rising 3, and Forza 5.

I would strongly suspect that one or more of those will be offered with XBL Games with Gold. I'm guessing it will be Ryse first.

 

[HardRojo]

How many hours until NPD numbers?

 

[King Beyond the wall]

For everyone predicting an Xbox one victory in November, don't forget that September was also predicted by many (including Pachter) to be an easy victory.

 

[Culex]

How many hours until NPD numbers?

Should be out by 630 EST, so about 6+ hours

 

[cakely]

For everyone predicting an Xbox one victory in November, don't forget that September was also predicted by many (including Pachter) to be an easy victory.

Pachter was in the minority on that prediction.

It's fairly early, but right now Amazon and other retail data we have access points to an Xbox One lead in November NPDs.

In September, all data pointed to a Playstation 4 lead, and that was how it turned out.

 

[Gxgear]

Drop another $50, keep the bundle and the $50 gift card and I'll chip in too. Don't care much for MCC but Sunset Overdrive looks like a homerun.

 

[stryke]

For everyone predicting an Xbox one victory in November, don't forget that September was also predicted by many (including Pachter) to be an easy victory.

Many? Looking at the prediction thread most had the sensibility to give Sony the win for that month

 

[quetz67]

For everyone predicting an Xbox one victory in November, don't forget that September was also predicted by many (including Pachter) to be an easy victory.

Look through the NPD thread and you will find Pachter was the only one.

 

[Zephyrus]

You're correct; Sony actually DID things, MS planned things. Plans they changed prior to launch, by the way. Not the same level.

I keep wondering how people think selling a system at a loss equals trying to strip consumers of their rights.

 

[NHale]

It's a good thing you sourced this!!

Hey he said he spent 10 minutes on it. How much more time do you want someone to spend searching a subject before starting firing accusations against another company?

 

[Kill3r7]

I keep wondering how people think selling a system at a loss equals trying to strip consumers of their rights.

Perception is reality. It doesn't matter what changes they make now. It'll take a few years before public opinion changes.

There was a poll a few months back comparing what was worse for consumers MS X1 reveal vs PS3 data breach? You can guess which one won out.

 

[HaKkErO]

For everyone predicting an Xbox one victory in November, don't forget that September was also predicted by many (including Pachter) to be an easy victory.

I think Titanfall NPD is a better example.

 

[Kayant]

not really, IMHO Quality > Quantity.
And when you look at some PS4 indie titles: http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-4/basement-crawl
I don't know man. I prefer less and higher Quality.

I can't wait for Cuphead and Ori and the blind forest.

Yh that controlled quality - http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-one/fighter-within

More like less choice you can still have bad rated games on either side of the fence AAA or not. Its not a quality filter.

 

[chubigans]

why dont you instead complain on the sony program, where they offer indies promotion and assistance and in return ask for time exclusivity?

or this offer has changed since last time I was in such a discussion here?

one practice (ms) is bad, while other (sony) is good?


I mean, last time I spent ten minutes on the subject, I clearly remember reading indies saying that ms support is far better than sony support.

so, in order to get better support from sony and maybe a window in the sun on sony's console advertisement space (also offered together with the better support offer), indies are asked to provide time exclusivity in return.
then, the same indie devs might complain that they hate ms same release time requirement.

really?

this does not make sense for me. I think it never will.

I have no idea where you're getting your info from.

You can buy development kits from Sony. You make games, they'll put them on the store and advertise for you, and you can post on the blog and do other tie-ins. You can also have Sony fund your game via a "pub fund" that will cover some expenses in return for timed exclusivity. You do not have to accept the pub fund option to get advertisement. You also do not have any restrictions on what games to bring over, and when.

MS gives out testing kits for free. In return they must get console exclusivity or release date parity, no exceptions, and no option to release the game at a later date unless you get a free pass from Phil Spencer.

There's really no comparison here. MS is doing indies a disservice and making it difficult for most of us to even consider their platform.

 

[ethomaz]

For everyone predicting an Xbox one victory in November, don't forget that September was also predicted by many (including Pachter) to be an easy victory.

http://i.imgur.com/j0KMyi7.jpg

This was one of the best works in GAF... I loved this pic.

Congrats to the guy that created it.

 

[Crawl]

"People." The only line we have is this:



Here are the relevant bits of 'data', if you can even call them that with this shit ass deceitful PR.

1. "Sales of Nov 2 week" tripled the week prior. But the qualifier is: Everyone knew about the price cuts in the week prior, so there would have been massive sales contraction. So it actually is meaningless in context.

2. "Xbox One led generation 8 console sales in the US for the past two weeks." So, US territory only... and again, we have no idea if they mean each week they sold more, or if they meant just last week they sold so much that the total is more than what PS4 sold in last two weeks.

3. "Shortly, we will have sold in to retailers more than 10 million..." which is also fairly meaningless. How long is 'shortly'? A week? Two? A month? Additionally, sold in to retailers is not the same as sold in to consumers. There was already a big amount of XBO consoles sitting on shelves, as the XBO hasn't sold anywhere near its total shipment numbers to date.

Anything else is conjecture. It'd be extremely difficult for XBO to actually sell 500k more than PS4 in November or December, as it'd be dependent on shipment numbers, and PS4 also has extreme deals and is upping shipments. It'll be competitive, but whatever "people" are telling you is just random hypothesis about how things will turn out.

I certainly think XBO will win November and perhaps December, but it won't be by 500k.

Good stuff Amirox you are destroying it today. Its like you are wading through the bullshit spewed by MS / Publishers on a daily (hourly?!) basis.

 

[turcy]

I think Titanfall NPD is a better example.

kind of?

multiplayer only, and full price xbone w/ kinect = not quite comparable.

 

[Con_Smith]

I'm starting to wonder if the people calling Unity broken have even played it. It's just fine.

Reading comments from reviews and people who have played the game I hear it's a beautiful game that is incredibly broken. Although the broken term seems to depend on how much you are willing to ignore and if you experience glitches in game.

 

[Forsaken82]

10m? No.

you do realize that retailers are consumers right?

It isn't sell through to the END Consumer.

 

[John Bender]

umm i think sony will win November. Not by much, but win nonetheless.
I give Sony a 60% chance of taking November.

In my honest opinion, I expect MS/Xbone to beat the PS4 by ~100k or 150k.

 

[Duxxy3]

Imagine Sony stock piling and then announcing a BF bundle with a price cut of ~$75. Will be enough I think.

FWIW, I think XB1 will win Nov (almost guaranteed) if Sony does nothing to counter. GTA V and the rest of the advantages are nice in theory but wont tilt the scale.

We've seen the BF ads already. It's GTAV plus TLoU for $399. I think it's a good bundle, and the most that Sony can afford to spend, but it's $70 more than the XB1 BF deals.

I guess we'll find out next month which was more appealing.

 

[Kayant]

I have no idea where you're getting your info from.

You can buy development kits from Sony. You make games, they'll put them on the store and advertise for you, and you can post on the blog and do other tie-ins. You can also have Sony fund your game via a "pub fund" that will cover some expenses in return for timed exclusivity. You do not have to accept the pub fund option to get advertisement. You also do not have any restrictions on what games to bring over, and when.

MS gives out testing kits for free. In return they must get console exclusivity or release date parity, no exceptions, and no option to release the game at a later date unless you get a free pass from Phil Spencer.

There's really no comparison here. MS is doing indies a disservice and making it difficult for most of us to even consider their platform.

.

Someone clearly didn't visit - us.playstation.com/develop/

 

[Zabuza]

In my honest opinion, I expect MS/Xbone to beat the PS4 by ~100k or 150k.

No way.

 

[HaKkErO]

kind of?

multiplayer only, and full price xbone w/ kinect = not quite comparable.

I was more going for how most people, at least in the NPD prediction thread, had the XB1 winning March NPDs. But we know how that turned out.

The example given was September and Pachter, when Pachter was actually the minority.

 

[Chobel]

Another thread where p3tran equates Sony indie program to id@xbox, even though every single time, people explain to him that it's not the same situation at all and Sony has more than one single offer for indie. But no, he just keep repeating the same bullshit every fucking time "Sony has pub fund so they're as bad as MS, so why do you call out only MS?".

 

[King Beyond the wall]

I was more going for how most people, at least in the NPD prediction thread, had the XB1 winning March NPDs. But we know how that turned out.

The example given was September and Pachter, when Pachter was actually the minority.

Good point. The Titanfall month and the June price drop/ dekinnecting month were predicted by many to be Xbox one victories.

 

[SystemUser]

you do realize that retailers are consumers right?

It isn't sell through to the END Consumer.

Retailers are customers not consumers. Consumer assumes the end of the line. The product is consumed. A customer is someone who pays for something.

 

[p3tran]

I have no idea where you're getting your info from.

You can buy development kits from Sony. You make games, they'll put them on the store and advertise for you, and you can post on the blog and do other tie-ins. You can also have Sony fund your game via a "pub fund" that will cover some expenses in return for timed exclusivity. You do not have to accept the pub fund option to get advertisement. You also do not have any restrictions on what games to bring over, and when.

MS gives out testing kits for free. In return they must get console exclusivity or release date parity, no exceptions, and no option to release the game at a later date unless you get a free pass from Phil Spencer.

There's really no comparison here. MS is doing indies a disservice and making it difficult for most of us to even consider their platform.

as I said, I read a lot of pages about the indie subject here, on gaf, the previous time it was discussed. a couple of months ago iirc.
I do not develop/fund/publish/etc games. I only buy them.

what I read back then is this, and since you are in the know, please correct where you find wrong:

ms gives the kits for free, offers top-tier support for free
demands that the games you develop using their hardware and support for free, are not time exclusive to their competing platform.

sony sells the kits, and their support is not the same level.
I can get more support by doing time exclusivity deals, not regarding other gaming devices but specifically only time exclusive to xbone (and wiiU probably?)

.


so, lets say I'm a dev. I get everything I need from microsoft for free, and in order to get a better deal from sony I pursue to make a time exclusive contract with them. (they offer so).
so I probably do both things.
then, I complain about ms policy.

does not compute, at least for me. thats what I'm saying.



and can I ask you something else?
does sony have a problem if you publish on xbone first? I mean, if thats the case and suits your needs at that time, is it ok with sony? do you get any changes in your deal with sony if you decide that that happens?

 

[Mr Moose]

as I said, I read a lot of pages about the indie subject here, on gaf, the previous time it was discussed. a couple of months ago iirc.
I do not develop/fund/publish/etc games. I only buy them.

what I read back then is this, and since you are in the know, please correct where you find wrong:

ms gives the kits for free, offers top-tier support for free
demands that the games you develop using their hardware and support for free, are not time exclusive to their competing platform.

sony sells the kits, and their support is not the same level.
I can get more support by doing time exclusivity deals, not regarding other gaming devices but specifically only time exclusive to xbone (and wiiU probably?)

.


so, lets say I'm a dev. I get everything I need from microsoft for free, and in order to get a better deal from sony I pursue to make a time exclusive contract with them. (they offer so).
so I probably do both things.
then, I complain about ms policy.

does not compute, at least for me. thats what I'm saying.



and can I ask you something else?
does sony have a problem if you publish on xbone first? I mean, if thats the case and suits your needs at that time, is it ok with sony? do you get any changes in your deal with sony if you decide that that happens?

Didn't he already correct you? Is your tag new? LOL

 

[Throwaway123456789]

How accurate are these numbers (got them from a gaffer in another thread)?

From MS PR (3m sold to consumer):
Nov-Dec 2013: USA 1.8m
Nov-Dec 2013: Rest 1.2m
Total: 3.0m

From NPD and other sources:
Jan-Sep 2014: USA 1.6m
Jan-Sep 2014: Rest ?.?m
Total: ?

Jan-Aug 2014: Germany 170k
Jan-Aug 2014: Spain 52k

Are we looking at ~500-700k sold in Europe in 2014? So 5.4 million total? 4-5 million overstock?

 

[A_Gorilla]

I think Titanfall NPD is a better example.

June NPD is a better example. "XB1 and PS4 are the same price now, XB1 gonna roflstomp the PS4!"

Now people didn't exactly say that here. GameFAQS, on the other hand...

 

[Sigmaah]

Just copped me a one for 226. Best time to get one imo.

 

[p3tran]

Didn't he already correct you? Is your tag new? LOL

my tag refers to my prediction that ninja gaiden on ps3 would be a better hack & slash game than heavenly sword. back then it was simply unimaginable for a good amount of people

I see someone just changed it though. thats a pity, as it was pretty good and more in line to my gaming interests.

 

[Chezzymann]

NPD is at 5:30 central right?

 

[Kayant]

as I said, I read a lot of pages about the indie subject here, on gaf, the previous time it was discussed. a couple of months ago iirc.
I do not develop/fund/publish/etc games. I only buy them.

what I read back then is this, and since you are in the know, please correct where you find wrong:

ms gives the kits for free, offers top-tier support for free
demands that the games you develop using their hardware and support for free, are not time exclusive to their competing platform.

sony sells the kits, and their support is not the same level.
I can get more support by doing time exclusivity deals, not regarding other gaming devices but specifically only time exclusive to xbone (and wiiU probably?)

.


so, lets say I'm a dev. I get everything I need from microsoft for free, and in order to get a better deal from sony I pursue to make a time exclusive contract with them. (they offer so).
so I probably do both things.
then, I complain about ms policy.

does not compute, at least for me. thats what I'm saying.



and can I ask you something else?
does sony have a problem if you publish on xbone first? I mean, if thats the case and suits your needs at that time, is it ok with sony? do you get any changes in your deal with sony if you decide that that happens?

Where exactly does this come from?

 

[SmokedMeat]

Well i am a new Xbox One owner as of last week and i want to get the 3 main launch titles. Ryse, Dead Rising 3, and Forza 5.

If I were you I'd buy the newer editions that contain the DLC. Pretty sure they're on sale during BF.

 

[Special C]

The potential is there for Microsoft this month. There are a lot of people who buy both consoles, many of which are waiting a year or for a price drop to jump on the second. Most of those people have the PS4 already.

 

[lukeskymac]

Bloodborne isn't a system seller.

And this is were you crossed the Orochi Threshold.

 

[HeliosT10]

my tag refers to my prediction that ninja gaiden on ps3 would be a better hack & slash game than heavenly sword. back then it was simply unimaginable for a good amount of people

I see someone just changed it though. thats a pity, as it was pretty good and more in line to my gaming interests.

Stealth tag changing...not a fan of this myself. This is a discussion forum so if you don't agree with someone then well, discuss it. Just my personal POV.

 

[Andvary]

Stealth tag changing...not a fan of this myself. This is a discussion forum so if you don't agree with someone then well, discuss it. Just my personal POV.

lol

 

[jayu26]

How accurate are these numbers (got them from a gaffer in another thread)?

From MS PR (3m sold to consumer):
Nov-Dec 2013: USA 1.8m
Nov-Dec 2013: Rest 1.2m
Total: 3.0m

From NPD and other sources:
Jan-Sep 2014: USA 1.6m
Jan-Sep 2014: Rest ?.?m
Total: ?

Jan-Aug 2014: Germany 170k
Jan-Aug 2014: Spain 52k

Are we looking at ~500-700k sold in Europe in 2014? So 5.4 million total? 4-5 million overstock?

These numbers are horribly out of days.