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It's better that he learns from his mistake than to just ban him outright forever.
Starcraft 2 player disqualified from tournament because of rape tweet
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It's better that he learns from his mistake than to just ban him outright forever.
Dark_castle
Junior Member
At least he acknowledged his mistake and publicly apologized. Doesn't mean he has done no wrong, but nobody in this world is completely free of making mistake or poor decision.
He is a grown man. Everyone knows what the word means (and no, it's not "to pillage" or whatever other dictionary defense people throw around) and its excessive use in the gaming community is disgusting (together with f*g, gay, etc) and something that should be harshly dealt with, native speaker or not.
KojiKnight
Member
English isn't his first language.
Dice
Pokémon Parentage Conspiracy Theorist
I don't know about "lifetime ban" but definitely get fired from the team and have to earn respect back from the scene/try to find new employer. If he were an employee for a regular business and he just said that shit, he would be fired. Simple as that. I don't like how sports/esports players get special treatment just because their skills are valued.
super-famicom
Member
Eh, you're probably right. People throwing around such hateful words just infuriates me.
So? It isn't mine either. That's certainly no excuse.
QuantumZebra
Member
If he makes amends (gives a pro-inclusive anti-hate speech talk and works to better the environment) then yes. If he is apparently clueless and does not know why what he said is trash, then I'd definitely be hesitant to let him back.
TimeEffect
Member
Act like a professional.
KojiKnight
Member
Just saying, you can tar and feather the man instead of using torches and pitchforks... The fact that you'd fire up the firing squad no matter the circumstances seems a bit overboard is all.
QuantumZebra
Member
I know you're not defending what he said but English not being his first language is pretty irrelevant here. I know what "suka" means but I'm sure as hell not Russian and can't speak it worth a damn.
What taring and feathering? What firing squad? I don't think I'm even proposing some sort of punishment beyond what he's received, which is absolutely correct. I'm talking about him as an example of people in the gaming community knowing what the word means and using it indiscriminately in online games. It needs to stop and be dealt with severely until it does.
SuperDowns
Banned
The Blackrose
Member
Good lord. He can hold that L.
Don't even....
Good, he deserves it.
English isn't my first language either, but if I write something in a public space I try to check what I write to not say something offensive without knowing.
English isn't my first language either, but if I write something in a public space I try to check what I write to not say something offensive without knowing.
doctorblurg
Banned
Even if it isn't bringing up rape as a joke isn't acceptable in any capacity. If you have an online presence you should think before you post.
TatteredHat
Member
Blame gaming culture for using "rape" as a bad metaphor for beating your opponent.
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Deleted member 20920
Unconfirmed Member
Good.
We need to do this more.
We need to do this more.
Leafhopper
Banned
I came into this thread thinking he was using it in that dumb way where "Raped" analogous with getting stomped, wrecked etc. Which isn't cool to say either but this is worse and more directed in the literal sense, sheesh.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
Member
What kind of a colossal asshole do you have to be to tweet that.
Kensairabbit37
Banned
People have gotten way too concerned with being politically correct and sensitive these days. They're all just words.
bobawesome
Member
Opus Angelorum
Member
And the SC community is better off, he was shit.
flatearthpandas
Member
I get that it is part of the lingo, but if it makes players feel uncomfortable then it definitely should be punished. I think the DQ was totally fair. Even if the community as a whole accepted the terminology, that is an awkward as hell tweet.
As much as some people hate made up words like "pwn," I think most of us can agree that these terms invented by the communities are much better overall than sexually charged terminology which tends to be the first place a lot of languages go for taunting/aggressive (even when meant non-threateningly e.g. purely in video game performance).
I think we should try to get behind the new non-sexual words when they come up which will naturally give people less threatening outlets for expressing things like what the player was actually saying.
As much as some people hate made up words like "pwn," I think most of us can agree that these terms invented by the communities are much better overall than sexually charged terminology which tends to be the first place a lot of languages go for taunting/aggressive (even when meant non-threateningly e.g. purely in video game performance).
I think we should try to get behind the new non-sexual words when they come up which will naturally give people less threatening outlets for expressing things like what the player was actually saying.
Mechanized
Member
Don't get how people still think this is appropriate language in any context.
The people who spew garbage on Twitter are complete morons. He did not *need* to tweet in any way. Go mouth off in private messages to your friends/teammates. It's pretty simple. If he was so compelled by emotion, perhaps doublecheck with friends/teammates about his tweet or...you know, write something like "Prepare to lose" instead?
A lifetime ban would be an appropriate if the incidents happened frequently from a single competitor who clearly refused to learn their lesson, modify their behavior, or apologize. A lifetime ban for a single incident for which the competitor apologized is a nuclear response to a spitball, especially when the competitor is agreeing that his behavior is inappropriate.
Shai-Tan
Banned
I think the tweet very obviously had the double meaning. It wasn't only in the word sense of 'rape' used in games.
doctorblurg
Banned
He said he was going to rape someone on twitter. How can you blow this off as people being too sensitive?
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
Why doesnt this kind of thing happen more actually?
That kind of behavior shouldn't be tolerated on any service
It wasn't even a 1 year ban. It was just a DQ from that tournament, but don't take that as me defending him. I think he deserves a lifetime ban.
Icyflamez96
Member
Man I don't understand how people don't expect to get in trouble for this kind of stuff. I don't think he should get a life time ban, but it's definitely not something he should be let off the hook for.
Well that's a great way of dismissing any criticisms. Usually anyone who says retarded it is because they object to a point you are making and hold an equally dim view of you.
The casual usage of rape and gay as a pejorative is much worse and definitely senseless.
Twitter wants to make money. The outrage from these tweets help them get more.
pinkurocket
Member
Not just that, how often I see 'I am going to rape the replay button' in Youtube comments is disgusting. What's even weirder is that this should be considered a positive comment seeing they like the video (often a music video or whatever). When did that ever become an acceptable expression, don't people realize what they are actually saying? :/
Glass Shark
Banned
Good. This type of stuff is way too rampant in esports.
It's not like we're dealing with the many Sami words for "snow." It was clearly meant in the way it was understood. Good to see the culture shifting away from letting this ugly behavior slide.
stump sock
Member
I saw the headline somewhere else, but not the actual tweet, and somehow I was not expecting it to be as bad as it turned out to be.
... that's the kind of thing that will get you fired from pretty much any job.
... that's the kind of thing that will get you fired from pretty much any job.
I think the punishment is fine.
He is not the first person to say something really stupid on Twitter nor the first person to be punished by it. For the most part these people need to realize that -insert made up statistic here- of the stuff they were going to write on twitter is pointless, adds no value and should be kept to themselves otherwise you'll get in trouble for it.
He is not the first person to say something really stupid on Twitter nor the first person to be punished by it. For the most part these people need to realize that -insert made up statistic here- of the stuff they were going to write on twitter is pointless, adds no value and should be kept to themselves otherwise you'll get in trouble for it.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
Reading this topic title I thought I was going to click it and see a stupid tweet along the lines of "I'm going to rape this guy in our next match!!!".
But nope. This level of stupid was not anticipated.
But nope. This level of stupid was not anticipated.