Chaos2Frozen
Member
And here lies the problem.
Starcraft 2 player disqualified from tournament because of rape tweet
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And here lies the problem.
Plot twist: After twenty edits, user must pay $20 or original tweets are posted.
hurricanes
Member
Are you joking?
You're wrong. Stop.
cm osi
Member
but it's true, you know that. nobody discussed all those "male tears" picture some weeks ago for the #shirtstormgate or whatever was called. the guy cried and everyone was laughing at him
EASTC0AST_GH05T
Member
why are they wrong not condoning it as something good or cool to say but it has been used in gaming for ages. I agree it has to stop but it has been apart of the competitive gaming culture slang forever.
So you're an MRA and an apologist for misogynistic violent language in gaming culture. Quite a combo.
he pointed out previous instances of sc2 pro gamers using rape in this context against male opponents where there was little to no drama.
so yes, that probably is his position.
KittenMaster
Member
Rape as online gaming slang has never been cool and should have went the way of l33t sp34k years ago.
Oh my god.
Yeah just like the N-word and "Fag" are just words right? What's the gamer slang for those?
And rape can be to overpower someone and take advantage of them. But keep trying to justify your ridiculous logic,
hurricanes
Member
"Just bad language" only to you. If I ever say something like that and my company find out I am over for good.
Storm Raider
Banned
THESE ARE NOT MY VIEWS. JUST HOW THE WORLD (MOSTLY USA) SEES IT:
If a guy says RAPE it's taken much more seriously then when a girl says RAPE, much similarly to when white people say the N word compared to black people. ALL IM SAYING IS THAT ITS SIMILAR, not the same. Because rape more known to be associated with it happening to a girl rather than a guy.
I fully believe saying rape is wrong completely.
It is not "just" bad language. I'm aware it's been in use forever, and I myself am definitely guilty of saying it to people occasionally, but I grew the fuck up and stopped using it in an inappropriate and offensive way. Just because it's a part of the culture doesn't mean it has to be like that. Culture can, does, and should change.
I'm not sure this is a good comparison to make, just saying.
vicissitudes
Banned
No one here is defending him. No one here is defending the word rape. No one here is saying that what he said is okay, or he didn't deserve the punishment.
All some of us are saying is that given the context, it's likely that his comment was made out of ignorance and/or stupidity rather than of malice or misogyny.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
Pro-tip: Even the NFL doesn't let players drop the N-bomb anymore.
Saying "Gamers have always been boorish assholes" does not automatically excuse terrible behavior in 2014.
Both of which should still be reprimanded.
BrassMonkey1010
Member
Not sure if it's bad giving him more publicity, but Destiny, the one progamer who tweeted his stance on this issue (couple pages back) posted up a long video on his thoughts. I haven't watched it yet, just saw it went up, might be interesting if you want to see what his brain is thinking 0_0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrL7cyn1_8Y&list=UU554eY5jNUfDq3yDOJYirOQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrL7cyn1_8Y&list=UU554eY5jNUfDq3yDOJYirOQ
EASTC0AST_GH05T
Member
this is seriously the gamers definition of the word regarding the game, not saying its right but I know how they talk and how they mean it. After they dominate a player on a game they say you got raped.
Christmas Eve, 2014.
"Dinner was delicious, darling" Kas' dad told his wife as he kissed her on the forehead.
"I'll do the dishes real quick, so we can start our annual board game night."
Kas' dad always managed to make her feel like a schoolgirl again. Such a charmer.
"Kas, it's almost time for game night, are you coming down?" Kas' mom called for her son from the bottom of the stairs.
As she started setting up a game of Risk, Kas came down the stairs. He looked very excited.
"I'm going to rape you tonight mom!" He playfully said.
Kas' mom's jaw dropped.
"W-w-What?"
"I am going to RAPE you AND dad tonight and i'm going in dry!"
"What the fuck is wrong with you, Kas?" His dad had come back from the kitchen. "Don't talk to your mother like that."
"It's ok, it's just a gaming term dad, jesus, are you going to cry like mom?"
"What the hell has gotten into you, have you lost your mind?" Kas' dad knuckles turned white. "Get out, i don't want to see you tonight."
Kas rolled his eyes and walked out, as his mom broke out in tears.
"He was just treating you like he would treat another man as well, mom" Kas' baby brother Steven piped up.
"Shut the fuck up, Steven." Kas' dad yelled "Go to your room."
Christmas was ruined.
"Dinner was delicious, darling" Kas' dad told his wife as he kissed her on the forehead.
"I'll do the dishes real quick, so we can start our annual board game night."
Kas' dad always managed to make her feel like a schoolgirl again. Such a charmer.
"Kas, it's almost time for game night, are you coming down?" Kas' mom called for her son from the bottom of the stairs.
As she started setting up a game of Risk, Kas came down the stairs. He looked very excited.
"I'm going to rape you tonight mom!" He playfully said.
Kas' mom's jaw dropped.
"W-w-What?"
"I am going to RAPE you AND dad tonight and i'm going in dry!"
"What the fuck is wrong with you, Kas?" His dad had come back from the kitchen. "Don't talk to your mother like that."
"It's ok, it's just a gaming term dad, jesus, are you going to cry like mom?"
"What the hell has gotten into you, have you lost your mind?" Kas' dad knuckles turned white. "Get out, i don't want to see you tonight."
Kas rolled his eyes and walked out, as his mom broke out in tears.
"He was just treating you like he would treat another man as well, mom" Kas' baby brother Steven piped up.
"Shut the fuck up, Steven." Kas' dad yelled "Go to your room."
Christmas was ruined.
This is a prime example of the changing climate and some people being slow to adapt. Playing FPS' in the 90s, it was all "gh3y," "raped," and shit until the cows came home and no one noticed. Now the world is a lot different, and there has been a very long grace period for professional gamers. If you said you wanted to "rape" your opponent within the last two or three years, chances are someone would have pulled you aside and said that that wasn't cool. If you still haven't gotten the message, it is too late, and now they can't do anything but ban people. We've had nearly two decades to change some of the trash talk lingo, get on the trolley already.
stump sock
Member
I kind of miss @neogafshitposts in times like these
Intent doesn't really matter in cases like this, frankly.
This.
It also used to be part of FGC culture to get into a fist-fight at the SFII machine if someone bodied you hard enough or trash-talked enough. Hell, I saw someone get stabbed because they managed a double Perfect against the wrong person.
It was part of the culture, sure, but I'm glad it's gone. Just like I will be when stuff like this is a distant memory rather than the norm.
Anton Sugar
Member
Ignorant people propagating horrible actions, without question, for "tradition" or "culture" has led to a lot of dark stains on human history.
EASTC0AST_GH05T
Member
he ignored me saying it has to stop lol.
It's not okay and hopefully the "gamers" using the term will grow the fuck up one day.
Dreams-Visions
Member
I'm impressed. I was *SURE* we wouldn't see defenders. And yet, Faith and EASTC0AST have proven me very wrong.
Real life more disappointing than SciFi network fiction.
Real life more disappointing than SciFi network fiction.
Handy Fake
Member
I sense this isn't going to penetrate the vitriol shield.
Male rape is just like female rape the opposite of adorable, I would be ashamed to be in the same room as someone who laughed at it.
Why should violence always take precedent over non violent behavior as equality?
It's like someone telling another that "sure if we are equal then I can hit you, because I hit my peers too" when that other person has never hit anyone in their life and for them equality would be that no one hits anyone.
Equally good treatment is always better than equally bad treatment.
speculawyer
Member
What a stupid and inappropriate thing to say. His ban was deserved.
BRocknRolla
Member
Reading through this thread, I've actually been pretty impressed by how right-headed people have been about it. Most folks, even if they quibble over the degree of punishment, seem to recognize that it was an idiotic thing to say, and a punishment was well deserved. I was honestly impressed.
And then I get to you... It's incredibly troubling that people with opinions like yours exist. Suddenly it's all about "suppressing men" and "if this were a woman, no one would have cared." It's disgusting. I hope you recognize that folks finding it hard to believe you're honestly posting that opinion is an indictment of just how far off the mark you are on this.
Anton Sugar
Member
Bless you.
How is yet another asinine rhetorical situation you've invented relevant to this discussion?
not that you're really worth responding to seriously but: I'd make the referee aware of it.
Ok, thank you for taking time to explain it too me.
huh. wasn't there a gaffer named riskychris? he's banned now, but i wonder if its the same guy.
EASTC0AST_GH05T
Member
im not a defender I said I played games long enough to hear the term and know how its used. I said its got to stop! another guy said gaf hosted BF3 servers and it was said on there. I don't use the term or like it but heard it for ages!
If it was a Nike three-on-three tournament and there was prize money, and your opponent tweeted it, then they' probably get disqualified, yes.
Anton Sugar
Member
Your avatar is the perfect reaction to every single one of your posts in this thread.
Lord Panda
The Sea is Always Right
What a goddamn idiot.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
So if it has to stop, why are we surprised about this punishment again?
Better example, if you were an NBA player invited to All Star weekend and you tweeted that you were going to "totally rape" Lebron James, they'd quickly tell you your flight has been cancelled and that the coaches got a replacement for your spot.
Storm Raider
Banned
No, it is.
It's contextual, and very similar in terms
Of this argument.
The same way some black people believe it's okay to say the N just word because it they are black is VERY SIMILAR to how some people think it's okay for a girl to say RAPE just because raped is mostly associated with females.
If a male says rape it's awful, and less accepted then a female saying it because it's mostly associated with them.
Same with Some black people thinking it's okay to say the N word just because they are black.
If a white person said it, it would be an out cry.
This is not opinion, nearly fact.
None of these views are mine.
test_account
XP-39C²
Words can be extremely powerful, both in a positive and negative way depending on whats being said. "Just words" to me reads like that its nothing serious, and i dont agree with that, general speaking that is. Sometimes words might not mean much, but sometimes they can leave an impact.
he lives in the same universe as the rest of us right? I don't need to read his mind -- he knows what he said and did know or should have known it was incredibly inappropriate.
EASTC0AST_GH05T
Member
im not surprised but what raised an eyebrow for me was why wasn't the Asian guy who could barely speak english punished when he said it?
I don't know any women who'd drop "rape" like it's a silly thing. It'd be more like black guys saying, "you're gonna get lynched!" It's a kind of line that people don't cross.
I know girls that would call each other bitches and shit, but rape is usally a sensitive topic.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
Can you point out some examples of women in competition stating they want to rape their opponents? Tennis, soccer, basketball, skiing, gymnastics, gaming, MMA, anything?