Hot Coldman
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Cesaro to appear on AoW in a year's time.
CM Punk tells all about walking out of WWE (podcast)
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Ted Turner should try again.
Ninja Scooter
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I like what I've seen of LU but it just doesn't have the financial backing to compete with WWE realistically. New Japan breaking into the US is good but I think that's more for the hardcore wrestling fans. I just can't see kids and more casual fans caring too much as it will be too hard for the characters and storylines to translate over and that's really what most of them watch WWE for. If some new startup with money from big wigs (say for the sake of argument, Mark Cuban) came along and started throwing big money and favorable contracts to guys like Punk or Bryan or Jericho they could make waves, but the I can't see anyone look at the landscape of pro wrestling right now (which, let's be honest, is basically WWE) and say " I need to get a piece of that pie!"
... when you put it that way, holy fuck. Yeah.
The irony is the fact they shitted on WCW numerous times for the same reasons. Yet, they bring back a 56 year old sting in the mist of a younger dolph ziggler having his moment.
That really points to just how out of touch Vince is.
No, Vince, wrestling HHH is not a main event.
Very rarely should anything other than a title match at mania be classified as a "main event." Rock-Hogan and HBK-Taker are two such matches (possibly the only two). Not Punk-Taker. Not Punk-HHH.
You book around the titles for your main events, not the chance to wrestle someone who has a title record, or that banged your daughter.
Even HHH understands this.
(With Hogan-Rock, you had two of the 3 most popular wrestlers of all time squaring off. With HBK-Taker, you had the two guys with the most Wrestlemania matches ever, two of the biggest legends in the television-era of wrestling, facing off. The prestige of the streak combined squaring off with Mr. Wrestlemania himself in Mr. Wrestlemania's penultimate and final matches.)
It doesn't need to directly compete with WWE, that was TNA's mistake. It just needs to be a viable alternative.
That was going to be Ryback having his moment until they decided to bury him after that Cesaro match. I don't think it's a sign of anything, despite being a cool moment.
British Monsoon
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Very much looking forward to Claudio Castagnoli's NJPW debut, he'll fit right in.
Dick Justice
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As long as he brings back the yodelling gimmick, s'all good.
Mattlikewhoa
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I'm kinda glad I stopped watching the WWE so long ago. I can't support a company that operates like this... Holy crap at a ton of these stories.
DoktorEvil
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Nah, there are alternatives thanks to the Internet.
ROH and New Japan matches I caught briefly on YouTube look much more involved than the WWE currently is.
Rafa=FedKilla
Banned
I think Sinclair uses some money to nab him up, even though they've been disappointed with their return on investment. Don't need more Bullet Club brahs....
Ninja Scooter
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Yeah but I'm talking more about a product that has more of a mainstream/crossover appeal. Stuff like ROH, New Japan in America and LU will never have that. They will be good products for the more die hard wrestling fans but won't really appeal to the mainstream. With how much WWE is struggling though, you have to question just how much of that "mainstream wrestling" pie is left though. Maybe wrestling just peaked in the mid to late 90s and will never, ever be that big again. In which case a scenario like Turner/Warner funding WCW probably won't happen again and WWE will be left to reign over their ever shrinking kingdom all by themselves.
Really highlights the week to week to day of booking.
I will forever be salty about this. To make matters worse she didn't even win.
Its hard to be a viable alternative when your shows are on networks no one gets. I don't have El Ray or Axs. So I doubt casuals will go out of there way to watch the shows on dailymotion.
WWE is now 1 and 2 since the collapse of TNA. If Lucha or New Japan were on Spike then they could be competition.
Hell the last time WWE thought of someone as competition was wrestling society x on Mtv 2.
Actually if Lucha Underground manages to move from Unimas to Univision, and gets a primetime slot, it will actually likely have more viewers than RAW on the USA Network.
You're forgetting Lucha Underground airs in Spanish on Unimas, and has been getting good viewership even on a poor timeslot of Saturday afternoon. The Latino market is strong for wrestling, and WWE are doing a piss poor job of appealing to them right now.
We all lost that day....
Yeah, I was gonna say... I don't think WWE is mainstream at all these days.
The Elite
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From an entertainment perspective, they are good alternatives. However, I think there needs to be another big dog that can actually compete with WWE in the race. Some actual competition would keep WWE in line and give performers an alternative if they aren't happy with the current product..
I like ROH and NJPW but I think another big North American promotion is needed.
The only way we're getting that though is if someone is willing to bankroll it through some big losses through early years.
Sibersk Esto
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He'll be great
Ninja Scooter
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It's big with kids, but I don't think it has that crossover appeal at all anymore. I was in high school during the Monday Night Wars stuff and even jocks were sporting Rock and Austin shirts. It was cool to like them. But the reason it became cool back then (the 'attitude' era, people cursing on TV, pushing the envelope) can't really be replicated. 16 year olds in 2014 are not going to care about a wrestler saying 'shit' on basic cable.
Given it lines up with basically everything other people from Del Rio to Dave Meltzer have said about how WWE is run, I don't think so.
I stopped supporting WWE a year ago and life couldn't be better. It's so nice knowing that I don't have to spend 2 or 3 hours of my life a week watching complete inane shit.
Vince, HHH, and everyone have lost it. WWE is such garbage these days, it amazes me people here on GAF still watch it religiously knowing it will NEVER get better. Enjoy watching Cena and HHH hog the spotlight for the next 20 years.
Really hoping the for company to tank completely. It will be glorious to see.
Vince, HHH, and everyone have lost it. WWE is such garbage these days, it amazes me people here on GAF still watch it religiously knowing it will NEVER get better. Enjoy watching Cena and HHH hog the spotlight for the next 20 years.
Really hoping the for company to tank completely. It will be glorious to see.
The only things that keeps me watching are the moments we sometimes get (like Sting), which is a bit sad considering they're gonna become very sparse, very soon.
I think AAA is best positioned (and they are involved with LU) to be a rival.
Just run Hispanic markets and run as a national Hispanic promotion with Hispanic values and be authentic- and if others want to watch the product, great.
Put out a quality, sustainable product and you'll make money.
Sting really was the last OMGWTF moment left. It's the end of an era of wrestling for me.
I'm never going to like the "WWE Universe"- I know this now. Let it rot. Right now the product is worse than 2000 WCW.
Just run Hispanic markets and run as a national Hispanic promotion with Hispanic values and be authentic- and if others want to watch the product, great.
Put out a quality, sustainable product and you'll make money.
Sting really was the last OMGWTF moment left. It's the end of an era of wrestling for me.
I'm never going to like the "WWE Universe"- I know this now. Let it rot. Right now the product is worse than 2000 WCW.
Well to be fair WWE was heading in that direction with the summer of punk stuff. You would think WWE would capitalize on the younger talent meanwhile keeping their current product pg for sponsors. Yet, Vince will be Vince. I still mourn over the TLC picture of champions
This was suppose to be the future of the wwe
Daniel Bryan is there most mainstream star right now. The guy was involved with the super bowl champions. He was celebrating with the Giants on there World Series win and was with the team on the floats. He was interviewed by news networks and by SI. Though WWE is pulling a WCW by not showing it on Raw.
That's true by doing well on with one market is not going to matter if you don't reach them all. In my mind to be competition to the WWE you need to be on a channel alot of people get and have viewership over 2 million. This will get the WWE's notice.
TimeEffect
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So Cesaro is done?
yankeeforever2
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Wow so he was pretty willing to come back after wrestleamania, but it looks like HHH and/or Vince got a little pissy and just fired him. That was a terrible business decision.
The Silver
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Well to be fair WWE was heading in that direction with the summer of punk stuff. You would think WWE would capitalize on the younger talent meanwhile keeping their current product pg for sponsors. Yet, Vince will be Vince. I still mourn over the TLC picture of champions
This was suppose to be the future of the wwe
I bet Vince has Vietnam-like flashbacks about this picture, "GODDAMN WHAT WAS I THINKING, NEVER AGAIN"
Well to be somewhat fair, they really can't capitalize on it since Bryan is hurt so I can understand not reminding people of the guy who isn't around week to week.
At the same time, the cynic... and guess what Punk said, it really only seems to matter when Cena gets mainstream coverage and I think it's because they cover it.
It's weird for a company that likes mainstream attention they will do whatever they can to squander the organic nature of stuff. Like the "Yes Movement" and "Fandangoing" recently.
On his wedding day
All that mainstream exposure, doe.
Getting on TMZ is a sure fire way to piss off the McMahon's even more.
Getting on TMZ is a sure fire way to piss off the McMahon's even more.
wow CM Punk thought of The Shield?... huh...
yea people are going to be talking about this for a WHILE. I cant even gain access to ArtofWrestling website because of the hits.
yea people are going to be talking about this for a WHILE. I cant even gain access to ArtofWrestling website because of the hits.
Sibersk Esto
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pro-tip:
don't call a famous person you don't know personally by their first name
don't call a famous person you don't know personally by their first name
Bright-eyed, full of hope. YOUNG.Well to be fair WWE was heading in that direction with the summer of punk stuff. You would think WWE would capitalize on the younger talent meanwhile keeping their current product pg for sponsors. Yet, Vince will be Vince. I still mourn over the TLC picture of champions
This was suppose to be the future of the wwe
RIP
Listened to the entire thing... fascinating shit. The only thing I can't comprehend is why AJ still works with the company. She's constantly in shitty angles, obviously doesn't need the money, or can go work at another organization if she loves the business that much... Go home and be a family woman.
Rumors going around that she was suppose to leave after Survivor Series...unless there's change of plans I seriously doubt AJ is going anywhere unless she doesn't give a crap about her contract ala Punk.
UberTag
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What are they going to do about it? Bury Cesaro even further than they have already?
Being let out of his contract so he can go work NJPW is just what the doctor ordered for him.
Yeah, I get the impression Punk hoped to come back sometime down the road when he healed up and do the part-time gig himself - probably to put the full-time guys over ala Jericho. It would have been good business for all parties. But that wedding day stunt and those royalty/back pay shenanigans burned that bridge irreparably.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Punk makes Chris Amann sound like Dr Nick.
Why?
Ninja Scooter
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Well to be fair WWE was heading in that direction with the summer of punk stuff. You would think WWE would capitalize on the younger talent meanwhile keeping their current product pg for sponsors. Yet, Vince will be Vince. I still mourn over the TLC picture of champions
This was suppose to be the future of the wwe
I wonder how much of a pull those guys would have had though. It seems like WWE has to trade now is novelty. That's what the Rock comebacks are. That's what the Brock stuff is. That's what the Sting thing is. And we all eat that stuff up when in reality, what really is a 55 year old Sting going to do? Probably suck that's what. Whatever angle or matches they come up with for him will probably stink and we will all say they stink and how much of a mistake it was, but make no mistake WWE will tease another old timer or part-timer returning and we'll eat it up again. The product without that novelty is just incredibly niche.
Punk would probably got his Staph cut out without fail and a lollypop from Dr. Nick than Dr. ZMan.
Uno Venova
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Wow, I thought this was going to be a vague general rant of how he was burnt out. This story is really moving ground. even without the specifics though, you can tell WWE is a horrible managed company. Won't stop people from subbing to the network in hopes that it will get better though.
According to the Network figures, not many people are doing that anyway. Shitty product did more to do that rather than Punk.
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