That's a lie and you know it mother fucker
CM Punk tells all about walking out of WWE (podcast)
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That's a lie and you know it mother fucker
Masquerader
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What? Please don't tell me that he's not actually a king of kings...
Jazzy Network
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I would like a Punk face commentary and JBL as heel commentary. Punk would just murder JBL every show and I would love it. JBL gets alot of slack, but he has 0 help with Lawler and Cole. And if Cole goes heel (which seems to be where we're gonna head) oh lord my shit is going to be on mute indefinitely.
whatsinaname
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I seriously didn't know. I stopped watching before Cena got big. The little I had seen of him made me think it was kind of tacky to leverage his military history for WWE, but it is even worse if he was never actually in the corps.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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At least Sgt Slaughter was a real marine.
Masquerader
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That would be highly enjoyable, definitely!
It'll only happen in about 20 years though, if at all. And JBL will likely be dead by then. Sorry.
Like John Wayne flying the flag every morning, then cowering under his table for all of WWII.
Jazzy Network
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I think he became a wrestler cause his original plan in life fell through. Not sure what that was though.
JBL is shit because he doesn't give a shit and is there for a paycheck. He has Vince in his ear feeding all these god awful lines and forced laughter. Same with Cole. Nothing sounds organic at all.
Pop-O-Matic
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I'm pretty sure he was a body builder before he got into wrestling.
Heat vampire is a type of vampire, dammit.
Cena's character morphed from a rapper into a soldier to promote The Marine. His character has stayed a soldier for the last 8 years since the movie came out for absolutely no reason.
FallingEdge
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Yeah, he was a bodybuilder before wrestling.
And Punk is skinny fat. Same with current day D.Bry. Deal with it.
What is this shit? They didn't rip the integrity of the IC title then, boys.
'Quake probably should've had a short run as champion though at some point. He had a good feud with Hulk going at the time and they never really had a big payoff.
Glorified G
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Four out of the five years when Vince Jr wasn't the owner, Backlund was champion. A year after he became owner he transitioned the title to the Iron Sheik. Guess what happened on December 1983? Hulk Hogan made his TV return to the WWF.
I think it's safe to assume that Vince liked Backlund as champion enough until he got his dream muscle head to come back.
What does that term even mean?
It means not fat. But not toned either. So, kinda like an average person, albeit one who can pick up huge dudes and perform wrestling moves on them. This sort of person is unworthy of being the face of the WWE and a Wrestlemania main eventer, apparently.
ElectricBlanketFire
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What is this shit? They didn't rip the integrity of the IC title then, boys.
'Quake probably should've had a short run as champion though at some point. He had a good feud with Hulk going at the time and they never really had a big payoff.
Jazzy Network
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But then Who's Next?
StylesClash
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These were funny.
Why? Does HHH need some heat again?
I remember the rumor being that he was having issues with his medical tests (and getting signed) initially due to super-high testosterone that had them worried he was TRTing off the books. Wouldn't be shocked if he was actually doing that and had his supply cut off or something.
lovely ladies
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tmi
JesseEwiak
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According to numerous interviews of former WWE creative guys, Shane makes Vince Russo look like Bill Watts when it comes to storyline ideas.
Nope.
Randy Orton was a marine, but he got discharged for going awol after spending 38 days in military prison.
funkystudent
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Hey remember when Punk was hurt so they said fuck it and put him on NXT Divas commentary and he didnt give a fuck?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YALSvyje8no
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YALSvyje8no
It's odd though, everytime he's brought up outside of WWE, they say he had good ideas. Like the ECW revival was his idea, but as a Web show that Paul and he could book on their own terms... Not the abortion it became.
On why HHH hates punk
The biggest problem that the wrestling has always had is creating an environment where talent flourishes and grows and doesn't lead to infighting.
Think of the great talent that was forced out of the WWE for reasons.
Hogan
Warrior
Punk
Macho Man
Angle
Lesnar
Drugs, the work schedule, egos, health concerns, lack of vision from management.
Can you really blame him?
Lets look at it from his perspective:
- Punk depicts him as one of two things
- Bumbling idiot who doesn't know the companies schedule
- Egomaniacal overlord who books the product to boost his ego
- He abounded the company that made him rich during its weakest moment in decades
- Punk admits he wasn't the best to work with towards the end
- Punk politicizing himself in the main event is almost never a good thing for a promotion
- I'm sure in Hunter's eyes he has seen others sacrifice and be happy with half of what Punk has achieved
- Punk waited to release the interview when the product is at its weakest
- The interview shadows over the company even after a memorable PPV
- Punk's statements combined could lead to a complete change of management or at worse the elimination of the company.
- How is the company going to succeed the most or 2nd most popular person in wrestling left the company?
- Say what you want about HHH but he loves wrestling. How can he respect a man who's who gimmick was he was the best at it and loved it when he stops caring?
- Plus more shit we don't know.
That being said the company is at fault for most of if not everything that happened.
Their health policy drove what should have been a Hall of Famer into somebody who hates wrestling.
The hardest thing for the company has been growing new talent and not relying on older names. Right now that system is dedicated on pushing 1 person who is over with kids and the entire company is dependent on him being over.
Plus the company gives off a Jonestown feeling:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY3CNeC3Ce0
I'm sure Vince is considering a Punk documentary on the network that trashes him.
The biggest problem that the wrestling has always had is creating an environment where talent flourishes and grows and doesn't lead to infighting.
Think of the great talent that was forced out of the WWE for reasons.
Hogan
Warrior
Punk
Macho Man
Angle
Lesnar
Drugs, the work schedule, egos, health concerns, lack of vision from management.
The derail about UFC guys' builds on the last page was funny. Y'all know MMA is real, right? If you're a good fighter, the build doesn't matter. Most elite athletes need to be in peak condition, but there are a lot of pros who just have brilliant minds and coordination and float by on pretty normal physique. Especially true in sports without weight limits. A lot of MMA guys look great because they have to make weight, and fat is generally less useful than muscle.
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I was super into wrestling as a kid (mid 90s era), but dropped out after a few years of following it. After moving to Chicago, I became interested in CM Punk as a personality, and by extension the modern day wrestling industry (but again, this is my first brush with this stuff in almost two decades)
I'm currently watching CM Punk's "Best in the World" documentary, and I'm wondering - how scripted are the matches? Is every single move dictated ahead of time by writers and choreographers? Do wrestlers enter professional matches already knowing the outcome 100% of the time? That's how I assumed it worked - like a well-rehearsed theater production, where everything has been practiced and played-out well ahead of the official performance. Watching this documentary with that assumption in mind though raises the question of why so many people would get into wrestling. Many of them seem very competitive, so why would they devote their life to a sport where they have no control over whether they win or lose?
I'm currently watching CM Punk's "Best in the World" documentary, and I'm wondering - how scripted are the matches? Is every single move dictated ahead of time by writers and choreographers? Do wrestlers enter professional matches already knowing the outcome 100% of the time? That's how I assumed it worked - like a well-rehearsed theater production, where everything has been practiced and played-out well ahead of the official performance. Watching this documentary with that assumption in mind though raises the question of why so many people would get into wrestling. Many of them seem very competitive, so why would they devote their life to a sport where they have no control over whether they win or lose?
Shao Kahn on the Lawn
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Thanks for the link to this podcast, guys. I haven't really paid attention to professional wrestling since my early teens but the insider perspective on the way the WWE operates was very engaging even to an outsider.
HHH as a vampire stood out as absurd in an already stupid movie. He looked completely out of place.
HHH as a vampire stood out as absurd in an already stupid movie. He looked completely out of place.
Carnby
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That WM main event was just a vehicle for Rock v Cena. No one cared about the match. We only wanted to see what Rock was going to do. If Punk was in that main event, he would have still cried about it.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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Most of the time they know how the match will finish but the rest of the moves are called in the ring on the fly. Usually the more experienced wrestler calls the movies. You can catch them doing it sometimes.
There are some wrestlers who plan out every move in advance (Randy Savage was famous for this)
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Elfforkusu
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Interview was great. I took away a couple things:
1) HHH is a dick.
2) WWE doctors are an embarrassment to the profession, and their company.
3) Vince came across as kind of endearing in a weird way. You get the feeling he totally understands where Punk's coming from, and yet will nonetheless call Punk up two or three times a year for the next 5 years trying to get him to come back for one more match.
To bring it back home, the only thing unrealistic about Punk and Bryan going toe to toe with some of those guys is their (lack of) size. But they're actually good at making the matches interesting, unlike almost all the big, cut guys. So... I don't see the problem.
1) HHH is a dick.
2) WWE doctors are an embarrassment to the profession, and their company.
3) Vince came across as kind of endearing in a weird way. You get the feeling he totally understands where Punk's coming from, and yet will nonetheless call Punk up two or three times a year for the next 5 years trying to get him to come back for one more match.
More to the point, "peak condition" for most guys is probably not "body builder ripped".
To bring it back home, the only thing unrealistic about Punk and Bryan going toe to toe with some of those guys is their (lack of) size. But they're actually good at making the matches interesting, unlike almost all the big, cut guys. So... I don't see the problem.
Probably, the NFL are the same carnies that hid evidence of the damage caused by concussions by paying off crooked researchers to get results to the contrary, paying off publishers to reject papers supporting the link, and using threats to stop people from digging further. That kind of attitude doesn't go away so easily, especially with Goodell still at the helm through all of this.
Elfforkusu
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Used to be true wrt concussions. The league now has a concussion protocol that prevents teams from pulling BS from week to week. However, it is true that they still fudge the reporting during the games. (e.g. a guy will get a concussion in the 3rd quarter, but if he doesn't immediately show symptoms or self-report it [lol] they'll only claim it came later)
That said... you don't see NFL teams leaving staph infections untreated.
(this is not to say I agree with the NFL's historic league-wide concussion stance, which has been deny-deny-deny and is pretty vile. Just that the individual team doctors seem to be legitimate professionals.)
Like what punk said, the team doctor is to protect the team's liability, not the player's health.
Unless it's the Jaguars. They had a scandal with this a year or two ago.
StylesClash
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Just not Bull Dempsey.
Elfforkusu
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It may have been the Bucs. Either way, yes, only a completely bass-ackwards embarrassment of an organization like the Bucs or Jags would do what the WWE did here.
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I'm not putting ANY money on Punk. Even current-day Arn Anderson, old as he is, would slap his shit. He's got that Dad Strength you can't fuck with.
Listen to Austin's commentary for two of his matches. There is no practice. Even for major Wrestlemania main events. Matches are not planned at all before.
He says in the beginning of his 40 minute match with the Rock that he knew just a couple of things that would happen.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2...restlemania-13-with-austin-s-commentary_sport
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2...steve-austin-with-stone-cold-commentary_sport
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2...steve-austin-with-stone-cold-commentary_sport
It's a good thing that the most awesome fat dude in Pro Wrestling is set to debut in NXT soon.
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