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[TheStruggler]

HHH can spot talent if his NXT recruits are any indication. Punk and Trips just don't like each other for one reason or another. It happens, no one likes everyone they work with.

when punk was hired hhh thought they just hired a guy that had some internet buzz, he never saw the potential in punk with his in ring work but more important he was the best damn wrestler on the mic in a long time. When you can go toe to toe on the mic with the rock and give a better promo than the "great one" hence box with god, you know you have lighting in a bottle.

 

[alstein]

Harlem Heat already had a limited move set. I don't know how you could have limited it much more. Stevie only did the most basic of basics plus a bicycle kick. He didn't even start doing the Slap Jack until after they split up. Booker's move set didn't change at all in WWE.

Stevie Ray was kinda old and limited. Booker expanded his moveset a lot in WCW, but pared in down in WWF due to age and injuries. The Harlem Hangover was killing his knees.

Booker was good though, he held his own with guys like Benoit, Rick Martel, Finlay. Chumps don't do that.

As for Punk, his old school equivalent to me was Piper. Decent worker, god-tier on mic, below-average physique.

I really think Punk would have been a much bigger star in the 80s or 90s than he would today. A modern-day Piper would not make it in WWE.

 

[BreezyLimbo]

when punk was hired hhh thought they just hired a guy that had some internet buzz, he never saw the potential in punk with his in ring work but more important he was the best damn wrestler on the mic in a long time. When you can go toe to toe on the mic with the rock and give a better promo than the "great one" hence box with god, you know you have lighting in a bottle.

Yeah, I've watched a bunch of videos of Punks indie days, where he's hustling the crowd, and he was damn good on the mic even then. It's like...not alot of people can live up to that in the current Roster. Even from his 'pipebomb'(Is that what the cool kids call it now a days?) it was complete ether.

 

[TheStruggler]

Yeah, I've watched a bunch of videos of Punks indie days, where he's hustling the crowd, and he was damn good on the mic even then. It's like...not alot of people can live up to that in the current Roster. Even from his 'pipebomb'(Is that what the cool kids call it now a days?) it was complete ether.

the best thing was is that punk wrote his own material, now i dont agree when he told writers to fuck off lol however he knew their content and the stuff they were writing was absolute shit, and he knew how to do it better. Wrestlers these days are fed their script where as punk made his own and he was amazing at it. I remember when punk had his cult group a writer tried to help punk, punk got made grabbed some loose leaf and wrote 4 weeks of television for him and his group by himself and dropped it on vince's desk, now thats power and that is talent. And his stuff was always new and fresh not the typical john cena where he leeches off of children, make a wish, the veterans, and hometown sports teams for cheap pops. Punk earned his.

 

[StylesClash]

To be fair to HHH doesn't this sound a lot like punk?


http://youtu.be/L4DWg8OHSo0

I remembered this shit down to the fucking music or sound effects whatever you want to call them. Crazy.

 

[mjontrix]

My bets is AJ is going to dropping the title very,very soon and then it's future endeavors time.

I think she's leaving already - sure seems like it.

 

[ChosenPredator]

To be fair to HHH doesn't this sound a lot like punk?


http://youtu.be/L4DWg8OHSo0

I didn't know GSP was doing WWE tryouts

 

[Dark Ninja]

CM Punk: Doctor I have a concussion

Doctor: What do you want me to do about it?

haha

 

[Hasney]

Does Vince love Punk or what? I feel like in another world, they would have been best of business buds.

I think Vince saw him as the number 2 guy, probably tied with Orton. The problem with that is that the part timers are above everyone when they come back, so they knock everyone else down some pegs.

 

[Ban Puncher]

We all live in a world where CM Punk never main evented Wrestlemania but The Miz did.

 

[RyudBoy]

Something tells me if Punk had just kept his mouth shut about wanting to main event WM and hanging up his boots at 35, then he would've got what he wanted.

Sucks that he never will.

 

[kirblar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z68mG6ShkvU

even paul london says Triple H was jealous of certain people lol it's funny all these triple H stories perfectly match up with each other when former wrestlers talk about him (lol@rob van dam)


I found i funny how London said "they are even protecting this prick in the video games" lol

HHH is great....as long as it doesn't directly involve booking HHH. His blind spot is himself.

 

[lupinko]

Something tells me if Punk had just kept his mouth shut about wanting to main event WM and hanging up his boots at 35, then he would've got what he wanted.

Sucks that he never will.

And he probably could have died from that MRSA infection if he kept going.

 

[Anth0ny]

For anyone interested in Punk's career, check out the Best in the World documentary:

Probably the best documentary WWE has ever put out. Punk was very involved with the production of the thing, so it's fucking fantastic. It also conveniently ends right where Punk picks up with this podcast (right after he decided to sign for another 3 years with WWE), so it's an appropriate watch.

 

[Forkball]

We all live in a world where CM Punk never main evented Wrestlemania but The Miz did.

People like to dump on the Miz, but his 09-10 solo run on Raw was fantastic and the reason to tune in every week. Everyone assumed JoMo would overshadow him once they split, but Miz improved on both the mic and in the ring and was booked well for a long time. Going from mocking and challenging an injured Cena to eventually defeating him at Wrestlemania is a good story arc (that probably happened by accident). After Miz dropped the title, WWE had absolutely nothing for him. Granted, he didn't change his character at all, but he could have been at least moved to Smackdown to develop something new. It's not until four years later that he finally has another interesting gimmick.

 

[sega4ever]

are any of the wwe shareholders familiar with pro wrestling? how come none of them busted his balls about dropping the ball with punk and dboy?

 

[alstein]

People like to dump on the Miz, but his 09-10 solo run on Raw was fantastic and the reason to tune in every week. Everyone assumed JoMo would overshadow him once they split, but Miz improved on both the mic and in the ring and was booked well for a long time. Going from mocking and challenging an injured Cena to eventually defeating him at Wrestlemania is a good story arc (that probably happened by accident). After Miz dropped the title, WWE had absolutely nothing for him. Granted, he didn't change his character at all, but he could have been at least moved to Smackdown to develop something new. It's not until four years later that he finally has another interesting gimmick.

I remember the feud between those two calling each other Janetty. They both ended up Janettys.

Miz really is this gen's Honky Tonk Man, except he gives a crap.

 

[Hasney]

People like to dump on the Miz, but his 09-10 solo run on Raw was fantastic and the reason to tune in every week. Everyone assumed JoMo would overshadow him once they split, but Miz improved on both the mic and in the ring and was booked well for a long time. Going from mocking and challenging an injured Cena to eventually defeating him at Wrestlemania is a good story arc (that probably happened by accident). After Miz dropped the title, WWE had absolutely nothing for him. Granted, he didn't change his character at all, but he could have been at least moved to Smackdown to develop something new. It's not until four years later that he finally has another interesting gimmick.

Couldn't disagree with a post more if I tried. I wasn't watching Raw then because of how bad it was, Miz included until I heard people talk about how awesome the Nexus debut was. Got me hooked again.

Then that was turned to shit, but we had heel R-Truth, so all was good in the world. Then Punks "shoot" and title reign and even Miz got put into a more entertaining position than he was with Awesome Truth.

Now that I think about it, I only really enjoy Miz as part of a duo, clearly. Not with Big Show though.

 

[Sir_Crocodile]

are any of the wwe shareholders familiar with pro wrestling? how come none of them busted his balls about dropping the ball with punk and dboy?

Doesn't vince have a massive majority of the voting power? I doubt he cares what they think.

 

[antonz]

Doesn't vince have a massive majority of the voting power? I doubt he cares what they think.

That and if Nintendo investor meetings are any hint short of a true die hard who bought in most don't even know the product they are invested in. Whatever some investment broker said looked good is what they got

 

[LiquidSolid]

And he's best friends with Punk, who literally bought a house for someone. Colt will be fine. He has a cult, no pun intended, following in Chicago.

Colt will be more than fine. He sells a shitload of merch, probably earns more than most of the WWE midcard do these days, since they're not paid PPV royalties anymore.

 

[The Silver]

I still can't believe Miz main evented Wrestlemania, just saying it feels like some crazy bizarro world.

CM Punk probably throws a fit every time he thinks about Miz getting there and he never did.

 

[kirblar]

I remember the feud between those two calling each other Janetty. They both ended up Janettys.

Miz really is this gen's Honky Tonk Man, except he gives a crap.

Miz is amazing at getting other people over by association.

 

[UberTag]

I still can't believe Miz main evented Wrestlemania, just saying it feels like some crazy bizarro world.

CM Punk probably throws a fit every time he thinks about Miz getting there and he never did.

Technically, the only reason Miz got there at all was out of convenience due to the need to set up Dwayne vs. Cena the next two years. It certainly wasn't as a result of his own merits.

Hell, I consider Alex Riley being part of that match even more of a fluke than Miz getting there.
Then again, Zack Ryder had a similar role three years earlier. Woo woo woo.

 

[cartoon_soldier]

HHH comes of as really big asshole.

Thing with Vince is that he might have issues with someone but he will look past it all and work with them for the company.

Thing with HHH is that he might have issues with someone and he will not work with them and if he does it will only be to bury them (i.e. Punk).

 

[Chindogg]

HHH comes of as really big asshole.

Thing with Vince is that he might have issues with someone but he will look past it all and work with them for the company.

Thing with HHH is that he might have issues with someone and he will not work with them and if he does it will only be to bury them (i.e. Punk).

Watch Raw from around 2004-2010. Every Raw opened with a 30min HHH promo and ended with him Pedigreeing him.

 

[DiscoJon]

HHH can spot talent if his NXT recruits are any indication. Punk and Trips just don't like each other for one reason or another. It happens, no one likes everyone they work with.

Not always.

 

[Dynedom]

^^ Is that the Ascension on the bottom? Are they that bad? ^^

 

[FlammableD]

Not always.

Thems fighting words.

Spoiler

Ironically enough, Graves is friends with Punk, Colt's also implied Cena doesn't like Graves

 

[cartoon_soldier]

Watch Raw from around 2004-2010. Every Raw opened with a 30min HHH promo and ended with him Pedigreeing him.

Not sure what point you are making...

 

[DiscoJon]

^^ Is that the Ascension on the bottom? Are they that bad? ^^

 

[Kyoufu]

Why does Triple H screw over my two favourite wrasslers ever? First Bret, then Punk.

 

[Opus Angelorum]

Why does Triple H screw over my two favourite wrasslers ever? First Bret, then Punk.

Just playing the (business) game.

 

[DiscoJon]

Why does Triple H screw over my two favourite wrasslers ever? First Bret, then Punk.

Wait, what? When did Trips screw over Bret?

 

[lupinko]

Wait, what? When did Trips screw over Bret?

iirc he suggested it.

 

[LiquidSolid]

Wait, what? When did Trips screw over Bret?

Triple H was the one that came up with the Montreal Screwjob.

 

[Kyoufu]

Bret still hates Triple H to this day. He's a real piece of work who just happens to have the keys to the kingdom.

 

[lupinko]

I wonder what kind of WWE it would be if Shane was the head instead.

 

[Vylash]

Once Triple H takes over it'll be hell for anyone talented in the company. Punk won't be the last guy with a massive chip on his shoulder as he's held back by management.

more like it'll be hell for anyone he doesn't like, he's behind plenty of talented people

People like to dump on the Miz, but his 09-10 solo run on Raw was fantastic and the reason to tune in every week. Everyone assumed JoMo would overshadow him once they split, but Miz improved on both the mic and in the ring and was booked well for a long time. Going from mocking and challenging an injured Cena to eventually defeating him at Wrestlemania is a good story arc (that probably happened by accident). After Miz dropped the title, WWE had absolutely nothing for him. Granted, he didn't change his character at all, but he could have been at least moved to Smackdown to develop something new. It's not until four years later that he finally has another interesting gimmick.

i'll agree that Miz definitely improved during his title run, but he was still pretty awful, dude was booked to have legitimate competition form Lawler of all fucking people

Not always.

you shut your damn mouth about Corey Graves

 

[Sir_Crocodile]

I wonder what kind of WWE it would be if Shane was the head instead.

A much happier place backstage at least.

 

[Marvel]

I wonder what kind of WWE it would be if Shane was the head instead.

Would love to see that.

 

[Big-E]

I wonder what kind of WWE it would be if Shane was the head instead.

What is the real story as to why Shane left? Did he really just want to do his own thing outside of his father's shadow or was there more at work with him being pushed out?

 

[Rafa=FedKilla]

What is the real story as to why Shane left? Did he really just want to do his own thing outside of his father's shadow or was there more at work with him being pushed out?

He was pushed out.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

WWE probably asked him to not bury the talent. He buried Cena in an internet shoot before he returned. Then and once he did return he was PG Rock.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-8ARolUybU

Sweet Jesus, he completely wrecked him. That was a roasting and a half...

I guess Cena is damn lucky this didn't happen live on RAW as there would be no way back from that...

Damn shame he's not allowed to cut loose any more. That was pure prime Rock and it was glorious.

 

[Kyoufu]

Sweet Jesus, he completely wrecked him. That was a roasting and a half...

I guess Cena is damn lucky this didn't happen live on RAW as there would be no way back from that...

Damn shame he's not allowed to cut loose any more. That was pure prime Rock and it was glorious.

But that was shown on RAW and they even linked to it.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CXa0-SOr9Rc

 

[Technosteve]

I still like HHH when he put over Bryant clean was probably the best match I've seen for a long time

 

[lupinko]

I still like HHH when he put over Bryant clean was probably the best match I've seen for a long time

HHH isn't bad if you are in his good books.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

But that was shown on RAW and they even linked to it.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CXa0-SOr9Rc

They cut out most of the good stuff. Still, amazing that he came through that relatively unaffected. That honestly felt like a career derailing promo.

 

[Kyoufu]

They cut out most of the good stuff. Still, amazing that he came through that relatively unaffected. That honestly felt like a career derailing promo.

You can't hurt Cena. It really doesn't matter how much you roast him (Rock & Punk did that plenty) he's always going to be at the top because of his fanbase.

 

[Striker]

They cut out most of the good stuff. Still, amazing that he came through that relatively unaffected. That honestly felt like a career derailing promo.

They pretty much ripped out the majority of the promo. Everything from calling him an idiot every 45 seconds, or talking about how moronic he sounds when he always said "I'm here every week!", to his cheesy attire, to how he's always boo'd, etc.

They wouldn't let it happen Live, word for word, because it destroys Cena and it would make him completely vulnerable. There would be no coming back to it. I mean lots of guys have done the "I'm tired of you, John" thing, it started with Christian I believe - if not him, then Edge. But none went detail to detail like Rock did. And none made more sense for the jealousy side of things.