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[~Kinggi~]

Well they certainly captured the feel of Star Wars. Here's to hoping its good.

 

[Chezzymann]

Yeah, gold had no practical purpose or value for the vast majority of human history yet we're still obsessed with it since its shiny. Probably the same thing with this dude and his claymore saber. Dude just thinks it looks cool.

 

[Sent]

That would be really cool. Is there lore behind this in the SW universe?

I know the Sith have synthetic crystals to make sabers out of that aren't as stable. If this person used one and had no guidance on how to make one (all Sith are dead) then maybe this is the best they could come up with some it doesn't explode.

 

[SoilBreak]

Thought this was a cool picture.

 

[iosefe]

Thought this was a cool picture.

source?

 

[SoilBreak]

source?

Artist is SaturnoArg

 

[injurai]

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/UsedFuture

When it's science or nasa space ventures, I love the precision and practicality. When it's space farring governements like in mass effect I love the proletariat space stations. But when I want to imagine a fully terrestrially-liberated space-farring society, It better have that used future style as you've pointed out to me.

 

[Wilbur]

Why does everyone in this thread seem to abhor the levels of CGI in the Star Wars prequels but go apeshit over films like the Avengers for instance (for which the last half hour, I'm assuming, was largely CGI)?

Just playing devil's advocate a little. Interested to know.

 

[PsychBat!]

Andy Serkis did the voice over in the trailer? That's cool.

 

[Pop-O-Matic]

episodes 10-12 will eventually happen one day, think about it

Hell, we'll probably see remakes of the Original Trilogy within our lifetimes.

 

[StuBurns]

Why does everyone in this thread seem to abhor the levels of CGI in the Star Wars prequels but go apeshit over films like the Avengers for instance (for which the last half hour, I'm assuming, was largely CGI)?

Just playing devil's advocate a little. Interested to know.

Firstly, there's a difference between prevalence of CG and quality of CG, secondly, do you actually know anyone that bemoaned the CG in the prequels in this thread is an Avengers fan?

 

[injurai]

Hell, we'll probably see remakes of the Original Trilogy within our lifetimes.

I refuse to believe that, that's sacred ground, and the movies are from an era where remasters hold up well. If only they would ever remaster them properly.

 

[Pop-O-Matic]

I refuse to believe that, that's sacred ground.

There is no sacred ground anymore, and, with the Star Wars IP now under control of a massive, publicly traded corporation like Disney, I would not be surprised if they end up doing reboots/remakes in the not too distant future in order to squeeze as much money from the IP as humanly possible.

 

[SuperStiltzkin]

Why does everyone in this thread seem to abhor the levels of CGI in the Star Wars prequels but go apeshit over films like the Avengers for instance (for which the last half hour, I'm assuming, was largely CGI)?

Just playing devil's advocate a little. Interested to know.

If the prequels were good films and people still shit on them for an overabundance of CGI, you might have a point.

CGI isn't inherently bad, it's how you use it and how much of it you use. Avengers and even Guardians of the Galaxy had actual physical sets for a lot of their exotic locales with CGI supplementing them. The characters felt like they existed in the world as opposed to the Star Wars prequels where it just felt like a backdrop.

One feels like "look at this world!" The other feels like "look at this CGI!"

 

[120v]

Why does everyone in this thread seem to abhor the levels of CGI in the Star Wars prequels but go apeshit over films like the Avengers for instance (for which the last half hour, I'm assuming, was largely CGI)?

Just playing devil's advocate a little. Interested to know.

star wars is always going to be held up to high expectations.

personally i was pretty blown away with the visuals at the time but there's no denying it was a very different aesthetic. and of course that's going to rub a lot of fans the wrong way

 

[injurai]

There is no sacred ground anymore, and, with the Star Wars IP now under control of a massive, publicly traded corporation like Disney, I would not be surprised if they end up doing reboots/remakes in the not too distant future in order to squeeze as much money from the IP as humanly possible.

I think it would be easier to just continue making new content. Create a whole new extended universe and such. But I guess I won't throw the idea it isn't above disney to do such a thing.

 

[zma1013]

Why does everyone in this thread seem to abhor the levels of CGI in the Star Wars prequels but go apeshit over films like the Avengers for instance (for which the last half hour, I'm assuming, was largely CGI)?

Just playing devil's advocate a little. Interested to know.

I guess because it felt like it was made with passion and respect for the characters and harnessing the essence of comic books to translate them into a fun movie.

The prequels felt like dead soulless endeavors that did not respect the source material and it felt like Lucas was just showing off all the stuff they could do with CGI and every other aspect of the movie was an afterthought.

I'd also take a guess that there's probably significantly more green screen CGI work going on in any of the prequels than in Avengers.

 

[PeskyToaster]

Knights that did not wear any kind of armor, didn't use any shields and used swords that were closer to this:

Other than that, totally knights I guess? Did KOTOR just throw you off somehow?

Technically Samurai were a kind of knight, just not the typical medieval/European kind.

Samurai wore armor though.

 

[The One and Done™]

Thought this was a cool picture.

Brace yourself, the naysayers are coming.

 

[big ander]

A more apt comparison of old and new, I think.

The Republic garb not being beat up any more, especially clear in this comparison, makes me wonder how much they'll have flourished in 30 years. and if they'll have taken turns for the worse, which could be interesting. Wasn't that interesting in STID, but that can be chalked up to Orci being a batshitfucking crazy truther, and thankfully he wasn't allowed within 100 yards of this. I feel so bad for people who have a real attachment to Trek, ST3 is guaranteed to be psychotic garbage thanks to that dude

 

[The One and Done™]

Samurai wore armor though.

People really need to understand the term, "inspired by". It doesn't mean complete ripoff. You need to expect differences with a hint of familiarity.

 

[Discotheque]

The Republic garb not being beat up any more, especially clear in this comparison, makes me wonder how much they'll have flourished in 30 years. and if they'll have taken turns for the worse, which could be interesting. Wasn't that interesting in STID, but that can be chalked up to Orci being a batshitfucking crazy truther, and thankfully he wasn't allowed within 100 yards of this. I feel so bad for people who have a real attachment to Trek, ST3 is guaranteed to be psychotic garbage thanks to that dude

i'm not watching that garbage in theaters but i'm really curious how much of a mess it's gonna be with just orci going unchecked.

 

[CassSept]

There are so many illogical designs in Star Wars (not even mentioning it's a series about space wizards with laser swords) that I'm surprised how people have so many problems with the crossguard.

AT-AT are iconic and the design is braindead. Quadripedal mobile assault fortresses that can easily be disabled or immobilized? Jesus. It's infinitely more idiotic and impractical than crossguard will ever be. If it is crossguard at all that is.

 

[Xamdou]

Still can't believe we are one year away from a whole new Star Wars movie trilogy... Disney is going to make so much bank this time around with JJ Abrams on board this SW train!!!

 

[SystemShark]

Anyways the crossguard design works and has been defended countless times in this thread.

Only very poorly. Unless you are relying on the phrik explanation.

Shog's mockup is alright. And its funny how the wookiepedia cross guard keeps getting trotted out as it at least has a logical premise.

 

[CloudyTuba]

The Republic garb not being beat up any more, especially clear in this comparison, makes me wonder how much they'll have flourished in 30 years. and if they'll have taken turns for the worse, which could be interesting. Wasn't that interesting in STID, but that can be chalked up to Orci being a batshitfucking crazy truther, and thankfully he wasn't allowed within 100 yards of this. I feel so bad for people who have a real attachment to Trek, ST3 is guaranteed to be psychotic garbage thanks to that dude

Twisting the knife I seriously thought it was a joke when they said Orci was likely directing.

 

[injurai]

Only very poorly. Unless you are relying on the phrik explanation.

Shog's mockup is alright. And its funny how the wookiepedia cross guard keeps getting trotted out as it at least has a logical premise.

Why does it have to be purely defensive, jedi get by without a crossguard. Part of Star Wars canon is that only force users can handle a lightsaber because the force is required to weight the blade which is otherwise weightless.

A user could simply protect themselves from the hilt and the opponents blade, they can be aware of their location. It might be mostly offensive.

Yes phrik is now a canon explanation, can't be ignored. Sorry to tell ya.

Hilt jabbing is a necessary part of many medieval fighting techniques, so it really isn't a hard jump to suggest that they are they as necessary components to round out a particular fighting style.

 

[Tertullian]

That was what did it for me too. I probably would have bought them if they were the same as the DVD versions, even with stuff like Hayden in Return of the Jedi, but that was what made me put my foot down and say enough is enough. I don't own the Blu-rays and I'm not buying the movies again until I can get the originals.

Yeah, Hayden in Jedi is really one of the more understandable changes. But that "NOOOOOOOOO", that's in another league entirely.

 

[Pop-O-Matic]

Yeah, Hayden in Jedi is really one of the more understandable changes. But that "NOOOOOOOOO", that's in another league entirely.

You could tell at that point that George was just changing shit to piss off the basement dwellers.

 

[Dead Man]

The DeBeers of a Galaxy Far Far Away



1.) It's not a new design; it's one that has existed for some time. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Crossguard_lightsaber

2.) I think we can safely assume that with Lucas' crazy ass out of the picture, we won't see any more ridiculous acrobatic CG Jedi-Sith fight awfulness like we got subjected to in the prequel series (the core concern presented)

3.) These are fucking Force-users. They're already using energy weapons. You think they give a fuck about danger in the same way everyone else does? Comparing their weapons and what they should be concerned with to the things your average human worry about makes the argument fundamentally flawed from the beginning.

From your link:

The crossguard lightsaber, also known as the forked lightsaber, was a type of lightsaber seen very rarely. One Jedi known to use such a weapon was Roblio Darté, whose lightsaber had two blue blades.

The crossguard lightsaber was essentially a regular lightsaber with a second blade emitter protruding near the first one at a 45-degree angle to the axis of the hilt. The blade the second emitter emitted was dagger-sized. Roblio Darté's hilt was also built with a slight curve.

They don't talk about a conventional cross guard, they just show a picture of one.

 

[Kettch]

Star Wars isn't like comic book superheroes, where you have a hero, a city and some villains to play with. There's an entire universe to explore, and it would be silly to do remakes.

 

[sphagnum]

Why does it have to be purely defensive, jedi get by without a crossguard. Part of Star Wars canon is that only force users can handle a lightsaber because the force is required to weight the blade which is otherwise weightless.

A user could simply protect themselves from the hilt and the opponents blade, they can be aware of their location. It might be mostly offensive.

Yes phrik is now a canon explanation, can't be ignored. Sorry to tell ya.

Hilt jabbing is a necessary part of many medieval fighting techniques, so it really isn't a hard jump to suggest that they are they as necessary components to round out a particular fighting style.

There are multiple canonical non-Force users who can use lightsabers, like Pre Viszla and General Grievous. AFAIK they use the Force not to give it "weight" but to keep tabs on where the blade is and for all the tricky feints and precognition that the PT era duelists use.

 

[Pop-O-Matic]

Yeah I don't see the point of remaking the old when they can keep making sequels and expanding the universe.

Star Wars isn't like comic book superheroes, where you have a hero, a city and some villains to play with. There's an entire universe to explore, and it would be silly to do remakes.

People don't want new stories, they want the old ones with a new coat of paint. /outoftouchexecutive

 

[Cheebo]

People don't want new stories, they want the old ones with a new coat of paint. /outoftouchexecutive

They are doing a movie a year and look to want to keep moving forward. There is literally thousands a movies they can do before wasting one of the years on a OT remake. If they are ever remade none of us will still be alive to see it.

By that logic Disney would also remake other classic movies of theirs. Which they haven't done.

 

[injurai]

There are multiple canonical non-Force users who can use lightsabers, like Pre Viszla and General Grievous. AFAIK they use the Force not to give it "weight" but to keep tabs on where the blade is and for all the tricky feints and precognition that the PT era duelists use.

Grievous is part robot, could clearly calculate for the blades. But even a common person could probably manage them. Jedi's just had a quicker path to mastery.

At any hand, something like a crossguard would only be more easily leveraged by a force user.

It's more of an argument for the crossguard being not absurd as opposed to only a force user being capable of such a weapon.

 

[The One and Done™]

They are doing a movie a year and look to want to keep moving forward. There is literally thousands a movies they can do before wasting one of the years on a OT remake. If they are ever remade none of us will still be alive to see it.

By that logic Disney would also remake other classic movies of theirs. Which they haven't done.

The outrage would be too great if they tried to remake the originals. Just make new stories within the Universe. There are plenty of interesting characters and environments to explore. I've actually always wanted a legit live action TV show exploring some of the non-mainstream concepts. But since we can't get that I'm fine with a movie every other year. I'd really like a movie centered around the rise of a Sith Lord who borders on anti-hero because he is generally logical.

 

[Squall5042]

I would be down with a total do-over of the prequel movies.

 

[Jaeger]

No remakes, please. There are so many cool concepts that we could roll with, keeping the franchise moving forward (even with prequels). A Fett film. A Sith focused one. Or a smuggler. Whatever. There is way too much fun to be had. There's no point in a remake. Maybe in another 40 years.

 

[injurai]

I would be down with a total do-over of the prequel movies.

and that's how the prequels die

with a thunderous applause

 

[Squall5042]

and that's how the prequels die

with a thunderous applause

As it should, and I'm no Sith!

 

[Cow Mengde]

Has this been posted yet? It's George Lucas's special edition of the trailer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v93Jh6JNBng&feature=share

 

[The One and Done™]

Has this been posted yet? It's George Lucas's special edition of the trailer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v93Jh6JNBng&feature=share

At nauseum. Very happy Lucas isn't touching this.

 

[BY2K]

Lego Version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpfWrh1scZU

 

[SystemShark]

Why does it have to be purely defensive, jedi get by without a crossguard. Part of Star Wars canon is that only force users can handle a lightsaber because the force is required to weight the blade which is otherwise weightless.

A user could simply protect themselves from the hilt and the opponents blade, they can be aware of their location. It might be mostly offensive.

Yes phrik is now a canon explanation, can't be ignored. Sorry to tell ya.

Hilt jabbing is a necessary part of many medieval fighting techniques, so it really isn't a hard jump to suggest that they are they as necessary components to round out a particular fighting style.

If the weilder of this saber hilt jabs, and the handle is made of phrik (or something comparable) I'll eat my imaginary hat. I still think it makes more sense to make the hilt completely out of phrik.

Sadly, I believe we are putting way more thought into this than the creators are.

 

[CloudyTuba]

I would be down with a total do-over of the prequel movies.

I don't think I dislike them as much as some people I've seen here (I feel more apathy and disappointment rather than hatred), but honestly I would too. Completely. Like, I will prebuy my tickets for all three right now if they were to agree to make them. Just to have another chance. Sorry, George

 

[big ander]

i'm not watching that garbage in theaters but i'm really curious how much of a mess it's gonna be with just orci going unchecked.

I hope it's at least a fascinatingly bad auterist experiment of sorts. like, what happens when you give a guy who's a bad filmmaker and by all accounts an even worse and more dangerous person the reins to a franchise?

Twisting the knife I seriously thought it was a joke when they said Orci was likely directing.

Hah sorry don't mean to make it worse. I've only seen some TOS and Next Generation but I liked them, and I think if I had caught the show in high school it would've been formative for me.

 

[Akahige]

The Republic garb not being beat up any more, especially clear in this comparison, makes me wonder how much they'll have flourished in 30 years. and if they'll have taken turns for the worse, which could be interesting. Wasn't that interesting in STID, but that can be chalked up to Orci being a batshitfucking crazy truther, and thankfully he wasn't allowed within 100 yards of this. I feel so bad for people who have a real attachment to Trek, ST3 is guaranteed to be psychotic garbage thanks to that dude

I'll laugh if it turns out better than Into Darkness, which really shouldn't be hard but yeah Orci directing is some sad stuff, I'm trying to keep an open mind since we got deep space travel for the next one.

 

[oneils]

Has this been posted yet? It's George Lucas's special edition of the trailer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v93Jh6JNBng&feature=share

holy shit

 

[injurai]

If the weilder of this saber hilt jabs, and the handle is made of phrik (or something comparable) I'll eat my imaginary hat. I still think it makes more sense to make the hilt completely out of phrik.

Sadly, I believe we are putting way more thought into this than the creators are.

Yes we probably are, but I'd rather think creatively towards a piece of creative fantasy than knock it and not enjoy it.

My last thought I suppose is that it being a saber hilt provides far more utility when striking against things that aren't energy fields. Where phrik wouldn't have that offensive utility.

 

[Lethe82]

So my retard theory is that Andy Serkis is doing the voice work for Darth Maul. The Clone Wars is Cannon, and in The Clone War Darth Maul not only survived the events of episode I (barely) but went on the attempt (and fail) to kill Palpatine. Maul begs Palpatine to kill him, and Palpatine says he has other plans for him. He doesn't kill him and we never see him again.

Also Zabrak are exceptionally long lived, they age at about the same rate as Wookies.

Also, Andy Serkis did the voice work for Maul in Episode I, didn't he?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gug3R-bKt9U