Super Smash Bros. for Wii U |OT| True Potential of Smash Bros.
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Wolf Dawgz
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He said that the last time, and the time before that if I recall correctly.
Diprosalic
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last time they announced the game first and then asked him to do it.
he'll be back.
he'll be back.
LonelyGreyWolf
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It's right there in the article if you click the link.
Well, there does come a point where you can no longer dramatically increase the size of the game with each iteration. The series could very likely try and reivent the wheel with the next game at the cost of a smaller roster.
I kind of hope they just use all the old assets wholesale and build on it, kind of like a Smash 4 Turbo. Call it Smash 5 or whatever but don't go through building every character from scratch (although I don't know if I believe the claim they did that here). Smash isn't in a situation like Tekken where they have to throw in the grandparents of the main character to just pad the roster and cutting characters is harder in Smash than choosing to cut characters like Dr. Bosconovitch and Kunimitsu.
But yeah, Smash can only continue getting so big. Unless Smash turns into Rock Band as it pertains to DLC and just add stuff forever they will have to reign in the scope eventually.
Well, he does need some time for that blockbuster Kid Icarus: Uprising sequel.
tonyh24613
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I finally got my copy. T__T
LonelyGreyWolf
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They're an imaginative friend who you play against.
Lé Blade Runner
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Welcome to the fray! And while you are at it, add me for some online play. My NNID is arthexavier.
he'll make another one, he even said a while ago that he would, but right now he needs a break (and hopefully no more multiplatform development)
LonelyGreyWolf
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Just played For Glory for the first time and whoa, it's intense. Is there any place where I can check my global smash power, by the way? Can't find it.
OP not good enough?
It's a CPU that you can play against. It levels up and learns from you.
Thanks for the detailed technical breakdown I was looking for
OP not good enough?
It's a CPU that you can play against. It levels up and learns from you.
He'll make another when Iwata decides to just announce he's directing it lol
But having another person at the helm could be potentially interesting
MrSaturn99
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At the very least, I'd like for him to serve as a creative consultant or something. I'd understand if he wants to move on from the series, though.
Blackquill
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The thing I fear the most in classic mode is team battle. The ally that you fought with difficulty once becomes dumber than the average AI in Assassin's creed
My ally Ike dodged a star and ran to the left without stopping, in a walk off stage.
My ally Ike dodged a star and ran to the left without stopping, in a walk off stage.
tonyh24613
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Speed test rated F+ by Ookla.
No wonder these input lag. D:
edit: also surprised that Japan version can play online already.
No wonder these input lag. D:
edit: also surprised that Japan version can play online already.
Thanks for the detailed technical breakdown I was looking for
Actually, that is the best description of Amiibos.
You scan your amiibo and now he can join you or fight against you. It starts at level 1 and is practically a punching bag. But you can train it by making him fight. It learns from you and from rivals. I don't own one, but many people say it really learns, and that is cool how different avery amiibo is.
You can boost its stats, too, by feeding it with the equipment you earn on other game modes.
Unfortunately, you can't use it on cooperative modes, like classic or events.
Furthermore, you can use it on other games: In Hyrule Warriors each amiibo gives you a gift everyday. In Mario Kart 8 you unlock special clothes for your Mii. You don't need Smash Bros. to use your amiibos in other games.
InvincibleAgent
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Time or stock? Stock, hang back, be conservative. Time, hoard power items or use characters with strong kill moves.
Heavyweights and hard-hitters are the favorite picks in 8-player smash because they can just smash unaware opponents and get easy kills. Projectile users like Duck Hunt and Mega Man also have the advantage as they can avoid the commotion while dishing out attacks.
Yup, we were playing 7 player smash with one amiibo as the 8th, and my brother would always win. Why? He'd hide off to the side while everyone else duked it out.
Guess what the amiibo learned how to do?
We're always playing time since some consider it a bit unfair when someone loses all lives and not everyone would just end up waiting for some players to finish fighting. We're also playing with Items off except the Smash Ball. Whenever I try to stay back from the fight, I always end up with just one or two lucky kills or sometimes end up not killing anyone at all even though I'm alive for most of the match.
This is my issue as well, people are just using the same characters over and over again spamming the same moves (e.g. Charizard Flare Blitz, Kirby Down-B, Bowser Down-B, Little Mac moves etc). Also, the current fad right now is Villager since people are hoping to get KOs using the Tree which basically happens all the time due to the chaos, and someone even KO'd 4 characters with it. For me, I'm practicing Zelda since one well-placed Teleport and I can KO almost anyone but I'm still struggling.
Steve Youngblood
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Yeah, 8-player Smash is something that I see as zany fun in short bursts, but it's not something I'd ever want to commit to playing regularly. Honestly, I'm not even that big a fan of 4-player FFA, and much prefer team battles when playing with that many.
SuperBowser
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anybody up for a game?
my NNID is SuperSiddu
my NNID is SuperSiddu
LonelyGreyWolf
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Just came out of first time For Glory. Won 4 out of 10 times. When I lost, I lost big time. Some people are insanely good.
I almost never grab. In what scenarios is grabbing preferable over just smashing? When someone dashes at you? Or to combine into combos?
Also does Nintendo have matchmaking (as in: does it set me up with someone of equal skill)?
I almost never grab. In what scenarios is grabbing preferable over just smashing? When someone dashes at you? Or to combine into combos?
Also does Nintendo have matchmaking (as in: does it set me up with someone of equal skill)?
Pretty much how I feel. It's great and crazy, but if you're not that into FFA, it's not an improvement. It's pretty much double what FFA was, both in terms of fun and annoying.
You usually want to grab if they start shielding many of your attacks. It's kinda sorta RPS-ish, in that grab > shield > attack > grab. At the end of the day you want to condition them to expect one thing, then do something else. That's a really simplified view of it though, there are of course other options/variations.
The reward from a grab is usually better at lower percents than the reward from a smash. Grabbing is really useful since you get to choose where you want them. Even if you can't string it into another hit, sometimes it's better just to be in a good position. So in that sense, it can just depend on where you are, what smash you can hit with, and where you want them to be. Sometimes throws kill, sometimes Smashes do that job better. It's all pretty much dependent on the character and even the matchup.
Sometimes it feels like they have matchmaking, but I don't think they do. Not sure.
Grabs "beat" shields. That's probably their most useful application. So, if you find your opponent to be shielding a lot it might be better to go in for a grab instead of just throwing out an attack. They're useful for starting a combo as well depending on who you play.
Steve Youngblood
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Grabbing can be a good way to start of combos if you have a good aerial game. But on a more fundamental level, it's just the basic counter to shielding. So if your opponent is playing a very defensive game and is just waiting for you to come to them to counter, you mix it up by running in for a grab instead of an attack. I'll defer to people much more competent than myself at this game to expound further on how to work in grabs to your game.
Just to confirm, for the 20 turn Crazy Orders with Mario, can you hit Crazy Hand the second you see 20 on the screen, or do you need to do one more to have "completed" 20? Don't have the honerun bat to trivialize this, and I'd like to know in case I end up with a close call...
Also, beat the "event conditions" challenge last night, and 9.0 without losing a stock this morning with my main man Marth! Also really, really close to the border for 300000 gold, so hoping to push that over the edge soon...
Also, beat the "event conditions" challenge last night, and 9.0 without losing a stock this morning with my main man Marth! Also really, really close to the border for 300000 gold, so hoping to push that over the edge soon...
MagiusNecros
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I like Mirror Matches. Helps me learn the characters strength and weaknesses.
You can challenge Crazy Hand when the counter is 10 or 12 or 20 etc. depending on the challenge. Crazy Hand counts as the 10th, 12th, 20th turn etc.
LonelyGreyWolf
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InvincibleAgent
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Right, don't hang back with Time. Hang back with Stock. With time, go for kills.
I'm pretty sure Nintendo's gonna put Sakurai on DLC before he gets that break. The heads know it'd be like leaving money on the table.Just let him get a vacatation, some extra money and a game to build (New Duck Hunt game?) and maybe in 5-7 years we will get the next Smash and he will just overview the production rather than going into every little detail...Miyamoto should help him to learn how to flip the table
Awesome, thanks! Also, bit of a random question, but does anyone know the reward for "the Ultimate Battle" or whatever the final co-op event is on Hard? Seemed impossible before, but Vampire/KO Healer equipment may make it doable...
Pretty much any character should be able to counter nonstop rolling with down-smash (breakdancing), and grabs to some degree.
Also, good lord are people online terrible. Was speculating while doing stuff yesterday to earn cash, and it was just constant spam of "PK Thunder!" and the Kirby up+b, and ESPECIALLY the Charizard side b.
Magnet_Man
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Grabbing is one of the fastest moves you have so it's meant for those times where you are both in each other's faces. It's also a viable tool for a dash, especially if you have a fast character.
You want to get in the habit of Shield+A for your grabs because the shield will protect you from an enemy's attack and then you cancel the shield to grab them during their recovery. It's standard tech for dealing with newbie players who just go in and attack and attack. Also by doing Shield+A, you can opt to instead roll or sidestep based on the situation and how the enemy approaches. The less the opponent hits you, the more likely they are to get frustrated and rush, leaving them open.
The idea is that when defending, you have the basic choices of pressing A, Back, Forward, or Down depending on the situation. That's why so many motions are attached to "while using shield". There's more advanced things choices but these are the basics.
As for using grab as a punish, it's better to use to punish at low percents because of combo power. Opinions may differ about what to do at higher percents but I say if you can land your forward smash and know it'll hit, you should do it. But I play Mega Man, Dedede, Falcon, and other power characters with great forward smashes so I'm little bias.
IntelliHeath
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I know the hype train is over but Quas Quas just made new one. 
#NerfLittleMac
This reminds me, is it just me or does it feel like there are windboxes on everything ever in this game sometimes? :lol
Geminosity
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If you're playing Zelda and your opponent has a habit of rolling past you then you can easily punish it with Nayru's love as it hits both sides of you and stays out for a good bit. If they have a habit of rolling away from you then you can usually catch them with the teleport if your timing/ability to judge distances is up to it :3
We have a link player who's usually good but has a bad habit of rolling back and I them drive nuts with my teleport attack whenever they do
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
#NerfLittleMac
That was hilarious.
Honestly, I don't know if I would throw boomerang there.
brickwalker0
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Is that an exception for characters that get hit like Sheik? MK is one of my mains and I have a hell of a time hitting all of those up-airs.
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